SUPERTHRIVE

[Sativa Dragon]

Ladies and Gents

Superthrive, do you use it, why and how do you use it.

It seems some people are arbitrarily using it and don't know exactly how to use it and why.

I understand it as a growth enhancer, but I have read some controversy of some of its chemical ingredients.

Would love to see some discussion on the subject.

Peace

 

[Team Microbe]

Ladies and Gents

Superthrive, do you use it, why and how do you use it.

It seems some people are arbitrarily using it and don't know exactly how to use it and why.

I understand it as a growth enhancer, but I have read some controversy of some of its chemical ingredients.

Would love to see some discussion on the subject.

Peace

I use it directly after any times of stress - transplanting, topping/bending/sc, ect.

I'm not sure what else one would use it for... this is an interesting topic. I'd like to hear any other uses we can get out of this..

 

[Snype]

I only use it to clone and get root nubs in 3 days.

 

[wildgrow]

Ive put a drop in a cup I stick cuttings into, a drop in the water that goes in the clone tray, used it as ph down, for regular feedings. I use it if I remember to use it. Even kept plants alive when I had nothing else to feed them.

Does anyone know exactly whats in it? I know 'vitamins, hormones', but what? Any gibberelic acid, or any of those other beneficials?

Also a drop when I soak beans - again, if I remember.

 

[StickyHands]

I only use it to clone and get root nubs in 3 days.

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hi there m8, how many days prior to cloning do you apply superthrive. Do you apply to plant which clones are being taken from, or do you soak the cutting media in superthrive?

Sorry for questions, im gonna try cloning again, and am thinking ill grab a bottle of the superthrive and give your method a go.
Only cloned one time so far, so still looking for anything that helps them along.

Any input appreciated.
Peace.

 

[Snype]

hi there m8, how many days prior to cloning do you apply superthrive. Do you apply to plant which clones are being taken from, or do you soak the cutting media in superthrive?

Sorry for questions, im gonna try cloning again, and am thinking ill grab a bottle of the superthrive and give your method a go.
Only cloned one time so far, so still looking for anything that helps them along.

Any input appreciated.
Peace.

I don't use ST on anything except to root cuttings. I don't use it on moms. It contains NAA. For Aeroponic cuts I use:

After I add 10 Gallons of tap water, I add:

20 mL General Hydroponic FloraMicro
30 mL General Hydroponic FloraBloom
3 mL SuperTHRIVE
0.5 mL Clorox Bleach

For Rockwool Mini-Blocks I soak 45 of them in:

2 Gallons Water
8 Micro
12 Bloom
1 mL SuperTHRIVE
2 drops Clorox

PH 5.9

 

[StickyHands]

thank you for clearing that up, and providing dilution rates etc. Much appreciated m8. Im gonna try this on my next lot of cutts.

Peace

 

[Weezard]

All that question is going to garner is anecdotes, worthless testimonials, beliefs based on other's beliefs, hype, opinions, etc.

For instance, I see no value in it.
That is my opinion based on experimentation.
Did a side by side found no benefit.
Even so, I'm just some guy on the internet.
And pretty sloppy as well.

If you really want a solid answer?
I suggest that you make two sets of cuttings.
(Without a control group, you can not credit anything for anything, really.)
Use ST with one, .09% Vitamin B 1 in the other.
The Naphthylacetic acid does not occur naturally in plants.

I'll be very surprised if ST make any difference.
All that hyperbole on the label just screams Snakeoil!

I would like to be wrong about this, because according to the label . . .


Proceed with caution, I have read of damage caused by overdosing.
Did not personally experience that so, it's little more than a rumor.

Aloha,
Weezard

 

[Snype]

thank you for clearing that up, and providing dilution rates etc. Much appreciated m8. Im gonna try this on my next lot of cutts.

Peace

It sounds like you had a tough time cloning but what is more important in to know how wet or dry your medium should be to root fast. Read my cloning thread in my sig for those details. I have a different formula there because I dont like advertising NAA. You can use whatever formula.

 

[StickyHands]

It sounds like you had a tough time cloning but what is more important in to know how wet or dry your medium should be to root fast. Read my cloning thread in my sig for those details. I have a different formula there because I dont like advertising NAA. You can use whatever formula.

respect mate. lookin thru em now , lots to learn for me. I dont have aeroponics, but i think ive been leaving my cutting cubes a bit too wet. especially with the prop dome keeping humidity and moisture in.

Thanks for the help snype

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Certainly clears it up for me, thanks to all that have provided input.

Peace

 

[headband 707]

Personally I like Superthrive..

Personally I like Superthrive..

Linda Chalker-Scott, Ph.D., Extension Horticulturist and Associate Professor,
Puyallup Research and Extension Center, Washington State University

The Myth of Vitamin Stimulants:
"Vitamin B-1 reduces transplant shock by stimulating new root growth"

The Myth
Ever seen this advertisement? “[Product X, which contains vitamin B-1] stimulates the quick formation of new root hairs and revitalizes the delicate feeder roots that are often damaged in transplanting. [Product X] is especially designed to hasten the development of bareroot roses, shrubs, shade trees and bedding plants that have been moved to new locations. It helps plants become established quickly and ensures vigorous growth.” Another adds a little scientific terminology to convince you: “Vitamin B-1 (plus minor elements and chelating agents) is great for root growth and helps reduce transplant shock.” Or how about this one? “The combination of Vitamin B-1 with essential micro nutrients forms a highly effective mixture...and lessens the chances of transplant shock and plant stress.” Aren’t you convinced that if you don’t use products with Vitamin B-1 your transplants will suffer? Apparently administrators at one large university are. Under their “Typical Tree Protection and Relocation Specifications” is the following: “48 hours prior to cutting, an application of vitamin B-1 shall be administered to the rootball of the tree.” If a university requires this practice, it must be legitimate, right?

The Reality
Applying vitamin B-1, or thiamine, to root systems of whole plants does not stimulate root growth. This is a myth that refuses to die, though it has been repeatedly refuted in the scientific literature. To understand why, it helps to think about this in a historical perspective. Many decades ago the plant growth regulators called auxins were isolated and characterized. Auxins were found to stimulate cell elongation in both root and shoot tissues. Commercial preparations were developed that contained auxin and vitamin B-1 among other ingredients. Research in 1949 found improved root development in plants treated with one of these preparations (Transplantone, which contains both auxin and thiamine), but noted the importance of auxins in this response. Further research throughout the last half of the 20th century investigating the application of auxins to root systems suggested that auxins may stimulate root growth, but that vitamin B-1 on its own does not. So what does work for stimulating root growth and reducing transplant shock? A review of the historical and current literature suggests the following:

Indole butyric acid (IBA) is one of the most common auxin formulations especially in tissue culture. In cuttings, it has been found to increase the number of roots, to increase rooting percentage, to increase both parameters, or to do neither. IBA has had some success in root regeneration in transplanted trees; it may help redirect resources to the roots by suppressing crown growth.

Naphthylacetic acid (NAA) is also a commonly used auxin and often the active ingredient in commercial preparations. NAA tends to be toxic to seedling root development, as it inhibits primary root growth and enhances lateral root growth. This latter activity may account for NAA’s success in regenerating roots of transplanted and root-pruned trees. Like IBA, NAA apparently suppresses crown growth, which also may redirect resources to the roots.

Paclobutrazol (PBZ) is another plant growth regulator that seems to stimulate root growth in containerized as well as established tree species. Like the auxins, PBZ reduces crown growth which may assist with root resources.

Fungicides may increase root growth, but overall this is not beneficial to the plant. Fungicides kill beneficial mycorrhizal species, and the lack of mycorrhizal colonization means that plants must put more resources into root growth than they would if mycorrhizae were present. Furthermore, there are beneficial fungi and bacteria that control pathogenic microbes and roots colonized by beneficial microbes have been shown to grow more than those without.

Nitrogen supplements can improve root growth, and conversely the absence of nitrogen will depress root growth. Uptake competition from bacteria, fungi, and other plants can be intense and so nitrogen is often limiting.

Vitamin B-1 (thiamine) is an important component of tissue culture media, in which isolated plant tissues can be propagated. Its use for stimulating root growth in whole plants is not supported in the literature and one study reported that root growth was greater in the control treatment (water) than with thiamine. Plants in the field manufacture their own source of thiamine and it is therefore unnecessary to add any additional levels. Many fungi and bacteria associated with plant roots also produce thiamine, so it’s likely that healthy soils will contain adequate levels of this vitamin without amendment.

Why does the mystique of vitamin B-1 transplant tonics still persist after decades of scientific debunking?

The Bottom Line
• Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on plants outside the laboratory
• A nitrogen fertilizer is adequate for transplanting landscape plants; avoid use of “transplant fertilizers” that contain phosphate
• Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply
• Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well
• Difficult-to-transplant species may be aided by application of auxin containing products in addition to nitrogen, but read the label and don’t add unnecessary and potentially harmful chemicals (this includes organics!)
• Adequate soil moisture is crucial for new root growth; be sure to irrigate new transplants frequently and use mulch to reduce evaporation

*You can contact Dr. Chalker-Scott at lindacs@wsu.edu.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Nice article very informative, I guess it's time to start reading past the label.

Thanks Friend

Peace

 

[Rory Borealis]

Ladies and Gents

Superthrive, do you use it, why and how do you use it.

It seems some people are arbitrarily using it and don't know exactly how to use it and why.

I understand it as a growth enhancer, but I have read some controversy of some of its chemical ingredients.

Would love to see some discussion on the subject.

Peace

SD,

I wouldn't use it beyond 1 week from seed (diluted well) and 5 days beyond taking a clone cutting. Read more into the indiviual varieties that you want to grow-their nuritional habits and approach them with care from an organic angle. Such as, teas made of alfalfa meal and worm castings (diluted 3 gallons of water to 1 tea gallon).

 

[Stonefree69]

I'd use aspirin before I'd use Superthrive, though neither for early veg. Rapid Rooters & RO water in a mist/spray bottle work for me.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

I'd use aspirin before I'd use Superthrive, though neither for early veg. Rapid Rooters & RO water in a mist/spray bottle work for me.

What effects does aspirin have on plants?

Peace

 

[Aardwolf]

I use superthrive every watering, from clone to finish. I use 3ml per 4.5ltr or 1 drop per cup when cloning.

Only once before have I seen some magical shit from superthrive;

The plants I was growing at the time hadn't been topped but grew out and split into 3 tops overnight, it has never happened since! The yield was colossal compared to usual.

Been using it 10 years ever since but never had this happen to me again!

It's the only product for flower enhancement that has ever made a considerable/notable difference that another product could not do!

 

[Stonefree69]

What effects does aspirin have on plants?

Peace

Haven't tried it but came across it in organic recipes using wetting agents/surfactants (like yucca schidigera extract) and emulsifiers. Salicylic acid occurs naturally in plants (like willow bark) and I know it's good for pest control & prevention. Boosts the immune system, as a spray "one and a half aspirin tablets (81-gram strength) dissolved into two gallons of water." http://www.plantea.com/plant-aspirin.htm

Heard other benefits as well: http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/02/28/jxb.err031 Not sure if it's true about adding aspirin to a vase will help the cutting last longer (also done w/Christmas trees).

 

[Weezard]

I'm just setting up to do an an aspirin/no aspirin, side by side on some seedlings.
It gets touted because of the aggressive nature of willow roots.

That made little sense to me.
Willow roots are quite aggressive, and do produce salicylic acid, that's true.

However, if it is a root stimulant, would it not "stimulate" growth of the competition roots?

Most plants generate compounds that impede root growth in competing plants.
Compounds that they, and their siblings are unaffected by.
It's a survival strategy.

All that said.
Cut flowers do seem to last longer with aspirin.
I have noticed that it does not cause them to grow roots.

So, is it of any use to med. farmers?
V shell C.

Weeze

 

[supermanlives]

superjive. lol and b1 is bs. not used in my garden. I have stated this several times when it came up previously here in the past