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Terpenation at Terpene Station
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hounddogg
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I was just thinking the same earlier. It would be nice if it was something simple like replacing seals with viton ones, but I'm sure it is more complex than that.
Very good idea. HotRod your compressor! I would recommend a few things beforehand. A big filter/ dryer. The inlet screen is fairly coarse but a fine screen in the little inlet fitting will restrict flow. Any tiny amount of dirt is bad. Make sure everything is blown out before assembly.
A cooler between the pump and the storage tank helps a lot. Putting the storage tank in ice water may not take heat away fast enough.
Two major things that will kill these things are heat and resin accumulating on the piston rings. Any improvement to cooling the outlet gas will reduce the load on the pump.
Don't try to pump liquid. Period.
The pressure gauges suck. Get bigger, liquid filled ones.
It's not that these are not designed for butane, i think they need a bit of assistance so they don't get overworked.
RB
Hey KCar, I recall seeing that you are using 3"x36" columns, how is that working out for you? I have been thinking of upgrading myself but am debating between 3"x36" and 3"x24". Any insight you can offer? Also I am wondering what converters you used to go from 3" to 1.5" -- the end cap reducers, or concentric reducers? Thanks 
nak, I wouldn't go over 3x24 if your still using a 6x12. A 3x36 is too big and you will over fill your collection spool which means oil in in the appion, which brings us full circle Be very careful, Ive done it with a 3x24 column into a 6x12 collection..
I heard SF is attempting to get viton seals made for appions.......and maybe a few others guys out there too
Be very careful, Ive done it with a 3x24 column into a 6x12 collection..I heard SF is attempting to get viton seals made for appions.......and maybe a few others guys out there too
nak, I wouldn't go over 3x24 if your still using a 6x12. A 3x36 is too big and you will over fill your collection spool which means oil in in the appion, which brings us full circle
I heard SF is attempting to get viton seals made for appions.......and maybe a few others guys out there too
I use a 6"x12" collection vessel and was thinking of clamping an additional 6"x6" to it for a total of 6"x18". Ya think that would be adequate for a 3"x36"?
Thanks for the tip, I did not think the 3x24 would overfill a 6x12 but now I know extending it to a 6"x18" is a must.
Your collection times are just slowed to a crawl because your collection vessel is tall an narrow, not much surface area for butane to boil off, which you'll have a lot of.
Oh.....great lol just what I needed.... Well for now I guess I can see how much time I will actually save vs packing 1.5"x24" columns haha.
Btw any input on concentric reducers vs end cap reducers? Thanks.
furrywall11
Member
Potentially not the exact right place to ask this but, this is the busiest thread.... I'm trying to get a 100lb tank with the right hoses for my Bhogart... would someone be willing to tell me where I can source those parts?
I'm trying to get a 100lb tank with the right hoses for my Bhogart... would someone be willing to tell me where I can source those parts?100# tanks have the same 1/4" fittings as 50#. You don't need anything. 125# tanks need reducers which can be found at any refrigeration supply store, RSD....
Hey KCar, I recall seeing that you are using 3"x36" columns, how is that working out for you? I have been thinking of upgrading myself but am debating between 3"x36" and 3"x24". Any insight you can offer? Also I am wondering what converters you used to go from 3" to 1.5" -- the end cap reducers, or concentric reducers? Thanks
It's been great for us! We've been able to put upto 570g in
and have some 80+ gram returns in a 10x12 recovery pot using
about 5lbs butane washed twice. We don't grind or overpack our trim/budlett mix.
Concentric reducer with a course screen before the sightglass and 3 filters inside.
Thanks! 570g pretty crazy...I bet its a lot less work to pack and unpack than the 1.5x24" too...
Any particular reason you opted to use concentric reducer rather than an endcap reducer? The height is getting pretty crazy on this beast with a 10" tall recovery pot then 3' of column, concentric reducers, and sightglass..
Potentially not the exact right place to ask this but, this is the busiest thread....
Century tool has the tanks. They use the same Kobra hoses as the 50#tanks, whch we get locally from RSD but you can buy on line from Just Better.
We also have Stainless/PTFE hoses made up at Associated Hose.
Plus it's sitting in a electric turkey roaster for bottom heat.
It's about 6' tall altogether. I'm not sure why Tom opted
for concentric reducers. They don't list a 3" to 1.5" end cap
at glacier, so maybe that's why. Also, we get another 50g or
so packed into the reducer...
RegisPhilburn1
Member
It was Mathew Ellis. im thinking the same thing, but he is the only REP i can talk openly about extraction with, i doubt the caresaver guys in UK would have any idea what we are talking about. A bunch of large extraction companies in CO are using the Caresaver with their ETS systems so i hope there isnt a problem.
Im going to tap a few cans through the machine and direct the outlet to a pyrex dish with a stainless hose to see if there is oil coming out. Any other caresaver operators should chime in, i know there are at least 67 lol.
For anyone interested the part number on the side of the compressor in question is
13 03 13 2 0507
513307139
And the Spare part number for the compressor in the manual is
X2899-1001
Would love to hear your take on the Caresaver GW. I could bring it up to the pharm for you guys to check out.
On the topic of larger columns on the mKIII, i have used a 2"x24" on a 6x12 base with decent success, took about 32 min. I had a 1"-2" concetric reducer and 1/4npt welded so i can use that for the injection, 1.5-2" endcap reducer and 1.5"sightglass on top. It always turned out darker than runs with 2 1.5x24 tubes. I think the limited surface area of the 6x12 slows recovery down way to much, so the material soaks in the butane much longer, which give a lesser quality product. Honestly i think the 6" spool is limited to the 1.5x24 for producing any sort of quality stuff.
We would love to compare your Caresaver to our TR-21's and Appions, if you would care to drop it by. We have a comparison coming up in January with Matt Ellis, but that would sure speed things up.
I ordered a Haskel pneumatic for the Mk IV, and will add that test in as well, when it arrives.
icdog
Member
I am finding I am losing quite a bit of butane in the hose from the tank to the terp and then the hose from the appion to the tank when done a run and disconnecting everything.
With the blue hose from the appion is there a reason it does not push all the butane into the tank when done? I leave it running for about 5 min after I close the recovery valve on the terp.
With the red hose from the tank to the terp, after the last flood and column dump can I turn off the valve on the tank and then reopen valve 4, will this suck out all the butane left in that hose? I was concerned that some material would somehow get pushed into that hose during the final recovery down to-22.
With the blue hose from the appion is there a reason it does not push all the butane into the tank when done? I leave it running for about 5 min after I close the recovery valve on the terp.
With the red hose from the tank to the terp, after the last flood and column dump can I turn off the valve on the tank and then reopen valve 4, will this suck out all the butane left in that hose? I was concerned that some material would somehow get pushed into that hose during the final recovery down to-22.
surfguy1936
Member
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NP3KQI/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?qid=1386535517&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70.... Anyone seen these yet
