Terpenation at Terpene Station

[Momerath]

I've run with an ambient temp tank, just to see what happens. Expect much higher PSI and quicker flood times, but slower recovery time, especially if you aren't adding any heat to the collection vessel. With one column, it shouldn't be a big deal with the longer recovery time. If you were doing multiple columns, I would suggest chilling your tank, just for the faster recovery times.
People have been saying that the colder your butane, the less plant waxes get pulled out, and I am inclined to agree with them. However, that doesn't mean that a non-chilled tank wont produce a kick ass extract!
Let us know what happens!

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Uuh LOL i can't believe I never saw the evaporation chamber on SPR before, thanks for turning me on to this. Also when you use ethanol, at what stage are you adding it in, and at what quantity?

Im adding it at the very end, when i open up the chamber. I wait until the appion has pumped the system down to about 22 and then open it up, i don't do the hard vac at the end because i find that the more butane there is left, the faster it will dissolve. I don't add a specific amount, just kind of titrate until it is dissolved.


De-waxing with butane isnt really a full winterization that im aware of, but it removes a significant amount of them, but you hold onto more terpenes than an alcohol winterization. I just think it is silly for us to be running our closed systems open, so if we could get dewaxing into the closed loop system we could continue to use these machines for recycling, not wasting.

 

[A6 Grower]

This conversation is going somewhere awesome!

 

[icdog]

After the column has been dumped and the recovery pump is pulling pressure down to -22 if valve 5 is closed and pressure rises in the terp does that indicate there is still butane in it that needs to be recovered out?

Is this recovery hose still the one to get and how much of a diff in time does it make?
http://www.appioninc.com/products/hosefeatures.html

 

[Gray Wolf]

After the column has been dumped and the recovery pump is pulling pressure down to -22 if valve 5 is closed and pressure rises in the terp does that indicate there is still butane in it that needs to be recovered out?

Is this recovery hose still the one to get and how much of a diff in time does it make?
http://www.appioninc.com/products/hosefeatures.html

Yes, it means that butane is still out gassing.

Those hoses will work.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I've run with an ambient temp tank, just to see what happens. Expect much higher PSI and quicker flood times, but slower recovery time, especially if you aren't adding any heat to the collection vessel. With one column, it shouldn't be a big deal with the longer recovery time. If you were doing multiple columns, I would suggest chilling your tank, just for the faster recovery times.
People have been saying that the colder your butane, the less plant waxes get pulled out, and I am inclined to agree with them. However, that doesn't mean that a non-chilled tank wont produce a kick ass extract!
Let us know what happens!

What M said. The ice just speeds thing up by getting rid of the heat of compression.

 

[icdog]

Thanks GW. Those are the mega flow hoses. Do they speed up recovery? What other things do besides that mt69 thing?

 

[Permacultuure]

Im adding it at the very end, when i open up the chamber. I wait until the appion has pumped the system down to about 22 and then open it up, i don't do the hard vac at the end because i find that the more butane there is left, the faster it will dissolve. I don't add a specific amount, just kind of titrate until it is dissolved.


De-waxing with butane isnt really a full winterization that im aware of, but it removes a significant amount of them, but you hold onto more terpenes than an alcohol winterization. I just think it is silly for us to be running our closed systems open, so if we could get dewaxing into the closed loop system we could continue to use these machines for recycling, not wasting.

You can pour off and used a modified vac lid to recover the remaining butane. You can feather an inlet valve and throttle the recovery through a G5 at whatever pace you desire, slow I'm assuming because it sounds like you want shatter. You could T your appion inlet or have an additional G5 and tank for final recovery.

 

[Kcar]

How do you make that super bright yellow wax?
My wax has been tan/brown or tan/yellowish...

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Permacultuure, I would think that pouring in open atmosphere and then recovering would inevitably introduce a bit of air/oxygen into the system. Definitely would run a T with ball valves from the appion to the two pots. Probably also T your Vac pump. I was thinking a sightglass between the two packed with filter material or maybe just filtered at the gaskets.

Basically just recover with no heat and on the first pot and recover down to 0 on last run, leaving liquid pool at the bottom, Isolate first tank and wrap in dry ice towel for some time to precipitate lipids, then with hard vac and appion pulling on second tank, open the connection between the two, located on the bottom of first tank and top tof the second tank. You could even use the butane left in the liquid line to flush and clean what got caught in the filter. Then recover the butane in the second tank.

Im getting some MKV stuff welded this week and i think im going to give this a shot with the MKIII bottom. Im thinking just a small 1/4 npt nipple on the bottom of a 6" end cap, then 1/4 BV->1/4 npt nipple->1.5" triclamp endcap 1/4 Npt female->1.5" sightglass(packed with coffee filters)->1.5" triclamp endcap 1/4 Npt female->1/4 npt nipple diptube welded on top of second tank. Also a 3/8 port welded on top of second tank with 3/8 ball valve for recovery.

This whole setup will probably need a frame as well.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thanks GW. Those are the mega flow hoses. Do they speed up recovery? What other things do besides that mt69 thing?

Heating the Terpenator lower pot and dropping the temperature on the storage tank are the two fastest way to speed things up. As you can't use much heat and still make cotton candy shatter, we use dry ice to drop the temperature of the recovery tank. Either added to the regular ice bath, or in a denatured alcohol bath.

 

[high life 45]

GW, do you know at what temp cooling slows down instead of speeds up the process?

Im only asking because I did a day with denatured alcohol and DI and it was..........s.......l.......o.......w..........much slower than just DI.

 

[Momerath]

How do you make that super bright yellow wax?
My wax has been tan/brown or tan/yellowish...

How I do it (in a nutshell)

1. Use whole nug
2. Get super dry (I use food dehydrator @95f for 3-4 hours)
3. Do all cold run, no heat
4. Pour-off method, low heat purge (under 100f)
5. Vac cold. This sounds counter-intuitive, but its the truth. It will take a long time depending on how much you are purging.

I've currently got a 75g patty under ambient temp vac that has been in there going on 72 hours now, and is less than half waxed up. However, it is bright golden yellow

Practice and experiment my friend

 

[icdog]

Do you guys remove the schrader valves in all your hoses? Does it make a difference?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I did notice an increase in speed once the valves were removed from the hoses, however when using an Appion Mega Flow hose next to a 3/8" diameter recovery hose, the machines seem to finish at about the same time.

 

[icdog]

Backyard I'm not sure I get your post. Isn't the mega hose the black recovery hose that goes from the terp to the appion?

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Yes, I was just throwing out there that removing the restriction in the smaller hoses made a more significant difference than the 1/2 vs 3/8" hose.

 

[vapor]

Great thread, reminds me of my grandfather, he used to say if it can be measured it can be improved{he was always building weird things in his shop}.... The little bits all add up keep on asking and answering questions....

 

[Kcar]

How do you get them out?

 

[A6 Grower]

Yes, I was just throwing out there that removing the restriction in the smaller hoses made a more significant difference than the 1/2 vs 3/8" hose.

Ill second this, removing the valves made flooding quite quicker. But running a 3/8 hose next to a 1/2 made me a little sad there was little difference. but it does look cooler with the bigger hose....