mr. durden
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good point prune.
i just built a Ia and never touch my IIIa's anymore.
i just built a Ia and never touch my IIIa's anymore.
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What extractors can process around a pound of material?
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A 1 1/2" X 36" column will hold about 225 grams and was the original column on the Mk I. (and that is true)
Yeah, I went back to the Mk IA the last big run I had to make. It is still the original work horse that we used for the first couple of years and it just keeps on ticking.
The 3 x 36" tube on the BHOgart holds between 3 to 400 grams depending on
your starting material and how tight you pack it.
Tom gives you everything you need to run it minus the Appion (only need 1) and
the vac pump (needed to pump out the system before the run) and a
vac chamber to purge your product.
If you get one, make sure to get atleast the 10" x 12" recovery pot. The 6x6 is way
too small imho.
your starting material and how tight you pack it.
Tom gives you everything you need to run it minus the Appion (only need 1) and
the vac pump (needed to pump out the system before the run) and a
vac chamber to purge your product.
If you get one, make sure to get atleast the 10" x 12" recovery pot. The 6x6 is way
too small imho.
mr. durden
Member
if you want a 1lb model like the tami, i'd look at sub zero's closed loops. they have a dry ice sleeve, although I wonder if they actually run their own systems because they don't seem to understand how to properly do dry ice extractions. they might be spendy as they are custom.
i'd avoid anything from extraction experts... it is beginners type blasting equipment and there have been such advances in the area of extraction.
i'd also avoid bhogart for a couple reasons... the recovery tank is way too small and holds too little butane, so you can't do one longer blast, it is only a top down blast design, they use standard clamps on their bigger spools when it would be safer to use high compression clamps, the recovery hose is too small, using a hvac gauge to route butane is inefficient, etc
if kcar is only getting 300-400g in a 3x36 tube, then there is something wrong as we got 2.4lbs of ground and sifted material that was lightly packed.
it is confusing on the SP website because they only reference the smaller tubes on the build, but on websites GW talks about using bigger spools. it is more common for people to run a bigger column on the Ia. a 3x36 spool is good for almost 2.5lbs. if people don't want to have multiple systems, they will use thinner columns in order to run less material. i would never recommend using a 1.5"x36 column as it is a pain to clean.
i'd avoid anything from extraction experts... it is beginners type blasting equipment and there have been such advances in the area of extraction.
i'd also avoid bhogart for a couple reasons... the recovery tank is way too small and holds too little butane, so you can't do one longer blast, it is only a top down blast design, they use standard clamps on their bigger spools when it would be safer to use high compression clamps, the recovery hose is too small, using a hvac gauge to route butane is inefficient, etc
if kcar is only getting 300-400g in a 3x36 tube, then there is something wrong as we got 2.4lbs of ground and sifted material that was lightly packed.
it is confusing on the SP website because they only reference the smaller tubes on the build, but on websites GW talks about using bigger spools. it is more common for people to run a bigger column on the Ia. a 3x36 spool is good for almost 2.5lbs. if people don't want to have multiple systems, they will use thinner columns in order to run less material. i would never recommend using a 1.5"x36 column as it is a pain to clean.
mr. durden
Member
before you start buying two of something, you might ask GW to clarify how he is setting this up. is he running it in series or parallel?
he isn't always great about clarifying and you are about to drop 1300 when you don't need more than one. especially if you only want to run 1lb at a time.
mr. durden
Member
good point. ultimately people must be responsible for their own actions.
if you don't have a good attention to detail, aren't a bit of a neat freak, aren't organized, aren't very cautious, don't have prior blasting experience, don't have someone local that can help you if things go wrong, or haven't used closed loops before... well, i would not recommend these systems.
Does the 3 x 36" tube come with the $1400 model? I will be picking your brain on this since you seem to know what's up. So do I need to tell the company that I want the 10" x 12" recovery pot instead of the smaller one that it comes with? Or does it not come with a recovery pot?
I believe he is including the 10x12 pot with the '1lb' model now. (1400)
and the 3x36 tube is what he gave us. the 6x6 is just too small.
But I would ask when talking to him.
mr. durden
Member
3x36 would not be a 1lb tube
Wow! You got that much in there? We just put handfuls of trim
and smalls in with a canning funnel and tamp down with the butt
of a fishing rod, every other handful. Then throw a few coffee filters on top for good measure.
What yield did you get with 2.4lbs in the tube? What did it look like? I was under the impression that your not suppose to grind it
up or pack it too tightly. Also, we run between 4 and 5 pounds of n-butane in the can. 2 or 3 times.
mr. durden
Member
i actually just packed another tube and got 2.6lbs just a moment ago. it seems with the size of the tube that you can't really pack hard, which i never did before. i just use an inch and a half dowel to tamp it down and fill in lifts like you.
i was of the same mind regarding grinding, but i think it is a myth that carried over from hash making. plus, we sift our material and pre clean so that there are no stems, wire stems, etc.
well, the first tube i ran was about 20%, but that was not what what we were expecting. actually, our first two tubes both averaged that. the next time we ran tubes, it was with some stuff from the same batch we had already run before and averaged around 10%.
we'd run 3 or 4 tubes a day, but we need another 1.9 first to handle the capacity. that is why i am so shocked that people want a 5lb system.
i was of the same mind regarding grinding, but i think it is a myth that carried over from hash making. plus, we sift our material and pre clean so that there are no stems, wire stems, etc.
well, the first tube i ran was about 20%, but that was not what what we were expecting. actually, our first two tubes both averaged that. the next time we ran tubes, it was with some stuff from the same batch we had already run before and averaged around 10%.
we'd run 3 or 4 tubes a day, but we need another 1.9 first to handle the capacity. that is why i am so shocked that people want a 5lb system.
Which column should I get to do just a pound at a time?
mr. durden
Member
i would say 1.5x36, but that would be an utter pain to clean :/ just use an online calculator to calc the volume and then estimate with 2x24, etc. i'd think the wider you go on a top down blast, the more inefficiency you'll see.
co2extractor
Member
It's really more efficient to keep the production on the smaller side around two oz. More than that it's starts acting like a sponge, absorbing the solvent and taking many cans of butane or lots of ethanol. I have equipment to run small and large batches, but I prefer running lots of small ones. It becomes inefficient around 4 oz w out a liquid co2 pump which requires industrial air compressors and a liquid co2 dewar. For supercritical co2 everything costs a lot. Subcritical co2 doesn't have the same dangers and so substitute equipment can perform the tasks we desire. The difference from running a large batch is around $15-$20 per batch, or $3-$5 for small batches. More things can foul up a batch like o-ring failure or failure to have the vessel seal are some ways it can prevent a successful run. All companies even Eden Labs is still doing research I'm sure, but perhaps you should be looking towards real experts say in Sweeden as this country was boasting hexane extractions while they were still committed to supercritical fluids from the time they were discovered.
Tamisium is the only unit that can process in all temperature and is the only unit that doesnt require vacuum pumps, dry ice, David is the pioneer on BHO extractors
I f you want to settle for less quality, then go with some other.
yes they are pricey, But the quality is way above every one else
along with the safety concern!
I f you want to settle for less quality, then go with some other.
yes they are pricey, But the quality is way above every one else
along with the safety concern!
David couldn't have said it better brother, but wasn't able to support that position with tangible details. Can you?
Perhaps you can start with explaining how to avoid using a vacuum pump to safely remove the atmosphere before injecting butane.
I've ran with the 2 lb column on the terpenator for a while.
I've noticed if you don't grind it you can fit about 600 grams into the tube, packed tight as hell. It seems optimal at about 1 lb exactly. The recovery base can only safely hold 4 lbs of butane. If you run 1 lb, you need to run about 6 lbs of butane over it just to fill the column to the top. Wether you use 5 or 6 the return is the same, but 6 fills the column. Dump 4, recover 2 dump the last 2, and then don't get oil into your pump.
I've noticed if you don't grind it you can fit about 600 grams into the tube, packed tight as hell. It seems optimal at about 1 lb exactly. The recovery base can only safely hold 4 lbs of butane. If you run 1 lb, you need to run about 6 lbs of butane over it just to fill the column to the top. Wether you use 5 or 6 the return is the same, but 6 fills the column. Dump 4, recover 2 dump the last 2, and then don't get oil into your pump.
