ahh i feel for your pain! ive had a torn miniscus , and my knees crack/pop anytime i go up or down stairs, in general they hurt me, and hold me back from doing things id like to do! i want robotic knees already 
Joints......anyone with dodgey KNEES here?
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Hopefully Gypsy it want be to serious and they'll only have to clean it out, then after PT the best thing you can do for the knee Joint (pun) is strengthen the muscles surrounding the knee. Best to get it done SOONER then later.
Worst case scenario knee replacement but they have gotten so much better you'd be back on both feet with out pain and limping sooner then you think.
Good Luck
Worst case scenario knee replacement but they have gotten so much better you'd be back on both feet with out pain and limping sooner then you think.
Good Luck
hi gypsy sorry to hear your knees are like mine what has happened is your bursa which is the part of the bone that lubricates the movement of your knees has worn out .i saw one of the best sports knee specialists and with a few snips of torn cartilage with micro surgery and a stretching of my bone joints to allow flow of remaining bursa fluids i have escaped any replacements .i have a stretcher i built that pulls on my ankles and stretches my knee joins it is working i thought i was toast but it has stopped the pain after the first 3 months of doing it .
i had one knee hyper exstended riding big waves and that was what i thought my problem was from 6 months stint on the crutches my tendones had shrunk .yes they had but the doctor exsplained that all sports nuts have tighter tendons from the exstreme exsertion we put on our bodys and the stretching releaves this pressure on our joints that it has created .
a cortizone shot will give you tempory relief but it is bad on the bursa and bones if over done and done to offen .a replacement is not a option to me fixing what was causing it was .i now take a diclofenac-xr 100 mg anti-inflamitory dailey along with the glucosamine and chondroitin i only take the shiffs brand because it is not derived from containated shell fish as a sourse of this substance as most manufactors use bi product from shell fish harvests which is loaded with bad pollutants .i also take pot leafs and make a tea poltist with lime juice i soak them with it when they hurt to much from to much loving or hiking or surfing ..
my son uses dmso and marijuana leafs for his pain rub .i have tried it and it works to but i worry about the affects of DMSO long term .pot leafs have a antinflamator agent in them .i learned about this when i got bit by a scorpian in mexico and the olds bruha took pot leaves and lime juice and mortered it into a paste and put it on the bite.not only did i live the pain went away within hours .give it a try stretching and the suppliments with a leaf lime or lemon paste dailey .
aloha buddy hope this cure you as good as it did me aloha classic seeds
P S i know the stretching and supps and paste works because its been over 10 years since my right knee was bent 180 degrees in the wrong direction my toes were in my mouth ,if it was not for surf leashes i would have drown .i got to the beach and passed out from the pain when my friend who was a ex-medic pulled it back into place i was glad i was passed out but the doctors said if he had not done it my knee would have been ruined competely from the swelling that followed .so you got a better than average chance of getting your knees back on track .just quit playing foot ball ,i quit riding big waves we have to make choices my friend as we get older about our body and what it can take .i much preffer a sore knee from to much loving ,a big wave just is not worth it to me any more .surfing was my sport just like football was your's we need to remember we do not heal like when we were 20 or 30 and nobody can say we do not have the balls bro we just got smarter and are using them for much nicer things get well mate aloha
i had one knee hyper exstended riding big waves and that was what i thought my problem was from 6 months stint on the crutches my tendones had shrunk .yes they had but the doctor exsplained that all sports nuts have tighter tendons from the exstreme exsertion we put on our bodys and the stretching releaves this pressure on our joints that it has created .
a cortizone shot will give you tempory relief but it is bad on the bursa and bones if over done and done to offen .a replacement is not a option to me fixing what was causing it was .i now take a diclofenac-xr 100 mg anti-inflamitory dailey along with the glucosamine and chondroitin i only take the shiffs brand because it is not derived from containated shell fish as a sourse of this substance as most manufactors use bi product from shell fish harvests which is loaded with bad pollutants .i also take pot leafs and make a tea poltist with lime juice i soak them with it when they hurt to much from to much loving or hiking or surfing ..
my son uses dmso and marijuana leafs for his pain rub .i have tried it and it works to but i worry about the affects of DMSO long term .pot leafs have a antinflamator agent in them .i learned about this when i got bit by a scorpian in mexico and the olds bruha took pot leaves and lime juice and mortered it into a paste and put it on the bite.not only did i live the pain went away within hours .give it a try stretching and the suppliments with a leaf lime or lemon paste dailey .
aloha buddy hope this cure you as good as it did me aloha classic seeds
P S i know the stretching and supps and paste works because its been over 10 years since my right knee was bent 180 degrees in the wrong direction my toes were in my mouth ,if it was not for surf leashes i would have drown .i got to the beach and passed out from the pain when my friend who was a ex-medic pulled it back into place i was glad i was passed out but the doctors said if he had not done it my knee would have been ruined competely from the swelling that followed .so you got a better than average chance of getting your knees back on track .just quit playing foot ball ,i quit riding big waves we have to make choices my friend as we get older about our body and what it can take .i much preffer a sore knee from to much loving ,a big wave just is not worth it to me any more .surfing was my sport just like football was your's we need to remember we do not heal like when we were 20 or 30 and nobody can say we do not have the balls bro we just got smarter and are using them for much nicer things get well mate aloha
in my earlier days I ran track & played soccer and then just ran for the exercise and worked blue collar jobs mostly. I eventually developed a bad right knee as well, it sometimes flares up once a yr, often skipping a yr or two but when it goes out on me I'm damn near laid up in bed or couch.
This is only a bandage for the pain and swelling Gypsy but fast relief is sometimes the best. my stomach can handle the heavy analgesics described below.
OTC meds that have helped my trick knee, 4 Aleve (220mg) & 3 Bayer aspirin (325mg) taken together, do this 2 or 3 times per day for up to 3 days, it should by then KO the pain & swelling.
I hope your pains pass quickly.......
This is only a bandage for the pain and swelling Gypsy but fast relief is sometimes the best. my stomach can handle the heavy analgesics described below.
OTC meds that have helped my trick knee, 4 Aleve (220mg) & 3 Bayer aspirin (325mg) taken together, do this 2 or 3 times per day for up to 3 days, it should by then KO the pain & swelling.
I hope your pains pass quickly.......
Well....I had my appointment/consultation and an x-ray....but this hospital did not have an MRI Scanner, so I have been referred to one that can do the MRI next week...
The x-ray did show that I had some jagged areas on the knee that indicated that probably I would be needing an arthroscopy:
from Wikipedia:
Arthroscopy (also called arthroscopic surgery) is a minimally invasive surgical procedure in which an examination and sometimes treatment of damage of the interior of a joint is performed using an arthroscope, a type of endoscope that is inserted into the joint through a small incision. Arthroscopic procedures can be performed either to evaluate or to treat many orthopedic conditions including torn floating cartilage, torn surface cartilage, ACL reconstruction, and trimming damaged cartilage.
The advantage of arthroscopy over traditional open surgery is that the joint does not have to be opened up fully. Instead, for knee arthroscopy for example, only two small incisions are made — one for the arthroscope and one for the surgical instruments to be used in the knee cavity to fully remove the knee cap. This reduces recovery time and may increase the rate of surgical success due to less trauma to the connective tissue. It is especially useful for professional athletes, who frequently injure knee joints and require fast healing time. There is also less scarring, because of the smaller incisions. Irrigation fluid is used to distend the joint and make a surgical space. Sometimes this fluid leaks into the surrounding soft tissue causing extravasation and edema.
The surgical instruments used are smaller than traditional instruments. Surgeons view the joint area on a video monitor, and can diagnose and repair torn joint tissue, such as ligaments and menisci or cartilage.
It is technically possible to do an arthroscopic examination of almost every joint in the human body. The joints that are most commonly examined and treated by arthroscopy are the knee, shoulder, elbow, wrist, ankle, foot, and hip.
...To see what fine tissue/cartiledge/ligament damage there is the MRI exam is important.....so the next step is to get this....
Thanks to all who have enlightened me in this thread.....I'm still in quite a bit of pain when I walk, and refused pain-meds since there is no pain when I am sitting/resting....
....so I will try and get this injury fixed asap...
The doctor did say that I was a little young (51) to have to have this sort of surgery, but considering my previously active hi-impact lifestyle it would most probably have to be done if I want to walk again pain free.....there is some swelling in the right knee and it feels odd to me that I cannot run if I would need to, just have to take it easy and keep the knee mobilized by doing some excercise in water (sea or pool).....
The x-ray did show that I had some jagged areas on the knee that indicated that probably I would be needing an arthroscopy:
from Wikipedia:
Arthroscopy (also called arthroscopic surgery) is a minimally invasive surgical procedure in which an examination and sometimes treatment of damage of the interior of a joint is performed using an arthroscope, a type of endoscope that is inserted into the joint through a small incision. Arthroscopic procedures can be performed either to evaluate or to treat many orthopedic conditions including torn floating cartilage, torn surface cartilage, ACL reconstruction, and trimming damaged cartilage.
The advantage of arthroscopy over traditional open surgery is that the joint does not have to be opened up fully. Instead, for knee arthroscopy for example, only two small incisions are made — one for the arthroscope and one for the surgical instruments to be used in the knee cavity to fully remove the knee cap. This reduces recovery time and may increase the rate of surgical success due to less trauma to the connective tissue. It is especially useful for professional athletes, who frequently injure knee joints and require fast healing time. There is also less scarring, because of the smaller incisions. Irrigation fluid is used to distend the joint and make a surgical space. Sometimes this fluid leaks into the surrounding soft tissue causing extravasation and edema.
The surgical instruments used are smaller than traditional instruments. Surgeons view the joint area on a video monitor, and can diagnose and repair torn joint tissue, such as ligaments and menisci or cartilage.
It is technically possible to do an arthroscopic examination of almost every joint in the human body. The joints that are most commonly examined and treated by arthroscopy are the knee, shoulder, elbow, wrist, ankle, foot, and hip.
...To see what fine tissue/cartiledge/ligament damage there is the MRI exam is important.....so the next step is to get this....
Thanks to all who have enlightened me in this thread.....I'm still in quite a bit of pain when I walk, and refused pain-meds since there is no pain when I am sitting/resting....
....so I will try and get this injury fixed asap...
The doctor did say that I was a little young (51) to have to have this sort of surgery, but considering my previously active hi-impact lifestyle it would most probably have to be done if I want to walk again pain free.....there is some swelling in the right knee and it feels odd to me that I cannot run if I would need to, just have to take it easy and keep the knee mobilized by doing some excercise in water (sea or pool).....
its comes with old ages bro 
...na am joking...
a dude in ma work has had both his knees done (was of work for 8 weeks a knee). he said it was form jumping in&out off vans & playing golf all his days...he was about the same age as you
youve gave your knees a harder life than most so old man syndrome will come faster bro
ive got 1 off those strap things that got round your knees, would something like that not help you when out working the coco fields & hunting with ya pack off dogs (living the dream right there)
as for your pain,,,what can i say, you aint going to take painkillers (props),,,Eat some weed on the job lol....
Good vibes & karma form the Highlanders household bro hope your pain passes soon
keep it green
highlander
...na am joking...a dude in ma work has had both his knees done (was of work for 8 weeks a knee). he said it was form jumping in&out off vans & playing golf all his days...he was about the same age as you
youve gave your knees a harder life than most so old man syndrome will come faster bro
ive got 1 off those strap things that got round your knees, would something like that not help you when out working the coco fields & hunting with ya pack off dogs (living the dream right there)
as for your pain,,,what can i say, you aint going to take painkillers (props),,,Eat some weed on the job lol....
Good vibes & karma form the Highlanders household bro hope your pain passes soon
keep it green
highlander
I've been suffering from a lovely combination of osteoarthritis, brusitis & chondritis. Haven't had to get the knees redone yet but I'm sure eventually I will. I have learned to hate squats & love strait leg raises, swimming and bicycles with gears.
The biggest thing that helped was going on a mostly veg diet, which was quite a thing to set up as far north as we live. I don't know why it helped, but there's been a marked difference in my inflammation in both knees since we went down to meat maybe once a week. Most of the meat we do eat is fish & game.
The biggest thing that helped was going on a mostly veg diet, which was quite a thing to set up as far north as we live. I don't know why it helped, but there's been a marked difference in my inflammation in both knees since we went down to meat maybe once a week. Most of the meat we do eat is fish & game.
Have had multiple knee surgeries. One over 20 years ago that fixed my left knee good as new and still fine. The second was a meniscus tear, which is what you are describing. It causes your knee to lock up. I get the lock up regularly, often in the morning when getting out of bed. It hurts, but I have gotten used to it. I had arthroscopic surgery, but it did not improve. What's worse is when all your cartilage is gone and you have bone on bone. That is very painful and sounds like what you are describing. Clicking, cracking is arthritis, which is exacerbated by the cartilage loss/bone on bone. This is a difficult situation, and many get a knee replacement for it. There is one place in Texas that does cartilage replacement, which would be ideal, but there is no guarantee it will take, but may be worth looking into.
Anti inflammatories (NSAIDS) will be helpful if your stomach can take them. Mine can't-it causes stomach ulcers, which will make you forget about your knee pain
Fish oil helps me, as does quitting red meat. Chondroitan does nothing for me, and I believe it is only the placebo effect. Very expensive placebo. I have not found any research proving that it works. But you are in luck!
The best thing as far as anti-inflammatory is..you guessed it...cannabis. I'm pretty sure you can find some of that. It has an immediate effect on me and can be quite dramatic. I'm currently taking a break from smoking, and my joints are cracking like crazy. If you're in severe pain, a cortizone injection is like a miracle, but you can't get them frequently, as they weaken connective tissue, and your immune system. Having said that, I have had numerous injections over the years when I couldn't walk, and it makes you good as new in a matter of minutes. Should only be used sparingly if you are crippled up. The best therapy for bad joints is swimming and walking in the sand on the beach, if you are near a beach. Otherwise a pool is good, because of the buoyancy it provides, while still allowing you to exercise with no impact. Squats under water, and leg extensions while sitting on the edge of the pool with your leg in the water are very helpful in strengthening your quads, which help to take the load off your knees. There are also some new type of athletic shoes that help in this regard, but I can't recall the name of them. In this case, Google is your friend, or preferably Scroogle, for privacy.
Anti inflammatories (NSAIDS) will be helpful if your stomach can take them. Mine can't-it causes stomach ulcers, which will make you forget about your knee pain
Fish oil helps me, as does quitting red meat. Chondroitan does nothing for me, and I believe it is only the placebo effect. Very expensive placebo. I have not found any research proving that it works. But you are in luck!
The best thing as far as anti-inflammatory is..you guessed it...cannabis. I'm pretty sure you can find some of that. It has an immediate effect on me and can be quite dramatic. I'm currently taking a break from smoking, and my joints are cracking like crazy. If you're in severe pain, a cortizone injection is like a miracle, but you can't get them frequently, as they weaken connective tissue, and your immune system. Having said that, I have had numerous injections over the years when I couldn't walk, and it makes you good as new in a matter of minutes. Should only be used sparingly if you are crippled up. The best therapy for bad joints is swimming and walking in the sand on the beach, if you are near a beach. Otherwise a pool is good, because of the buoyancy it provides, while still allowing you to exercise with no impact. Squats under water, and leg extensions while sitting on the edge of the pool with your leg in the water are very helpful in strengthening your quads, which help to take the load off your knees. There are also some new type of athletic shoes that help in this regard, but I can't recall the name of them. In this case, Google is your friend, or preferably Scroogle, for privacy.
mosstrooper
Member
Along with all the others, i would also suggest trying glucosamine and chondroitin. The only problem is that it could take anything from a fortnight to a couple of months to show any effect. My understanding of it is that chondroitin increases the effectiveness of glucosamine, but it is all somewhat mysterious. My mother takes both for her arthritis and swears by them, i also fed it to my aging dog and it seemed to work to ease his joint pains. One can but try.
Had my hip replaced at age 50. Great decision. Pain sucks. It changes your brain, ruins your life. I was an athlete, ran half marathons, played basketball all my adult life. Now I garden, walk, hang without sharp unending pain every step I take. Cortizone shots do nothing but put off the inevitable, and steroids are bad for your joints. Find a good orthopedic surgeon, get an MRI, get diagnosed and get on with it. You'll never look back. Good luck
aggregatebuzz
Member
my used-up right knee has been a life changer for me for the last 10 years,a former bricklayer by trade I noticed weakness in my range of motion climbing a latter,than within 6 months I was seeking a specialist to determine I have no cartilage left in this joint,knee replacement,the only available treatment was not an option at aged 40 due to short artificial joint lifespan and complications of doing the replacement once,second replacements are difficult
about 50% range of motion and 50% weight bearing are the main inconveniences and have required me to limited my activities
about 50% range of motion and 50% weight bearing are the main inconveniences and have required me to limited my activities
They will probably at a minimum do to your knees what they do to my back. A small incision and then they'll go in and use a laser to bust up the pieces that are floating around locking up the joints.
I guess they are coming up with some replacements that will last a little longer than the first ones...... Getting older is grand my friend.....
I guess they are coming up with some replacements that will last a little longer than the first ones...... Getting older is grand my friend.....
I would go ahead and get the injections for the knees
I would go ahead and get the injections for the knees
The use of oral steroids and anti-inflammatory medicines help to reduce the amount of inflammation and pain felt in the knee. If over the counter medicines like ibuprofen or naproxen are not strong enough, prescription strength medicines are used. If oral medicine and physical therapy don't help your knee enough, your doctor may consider giving you an injection with pain medicine.[8] Hyaluronic acid is present in the knee, but injections of it can be used to protect the joint when the cartilage becomes thinner and can't do it alone. These injections can provide more pain relief than oral medications lasting from six months to a year.
I would go ahead and get the injections for the knees
The use of oral steroids and anti-inflammatory medicines help to reduce the amount of inflammation and pain felt in the knee. If over the counter medicines like ibuprofen or naproxen are not strong enough, prescription strength medicines are used. If oral medicine and physical therapy don't help your knee enough, your doctor may consider giving you an injection with pain medicine.[8] Hyaluronic acid is present in the knee, but injections of it can be used to protect the joint when the cartilage becomes thinner and can't do it alone. These injections can provide more pain relief than oral medications lasting from six months to a year.
maybe it'z time for REAL science......
maybe it'z time for REAL science......
YES.............Cortisone shots...very effective for the banged up....and Hyper extended jointZ....BUT, once U start U will need them for the rest of U'r life....... STEROIDS will also work for joint~pain......sorry for NOT promoting Orthodoxies MED-MJ....tincurtureZ....guidlineZ..... that this beloved site is known for.....
BUT there is a time and a place for everything......
and this might just be the time for ADVANCED medicine.......
just throw'in out idea'z......guys......letz not have A schitt fit over ...which treatment is right from wrong......or if modern medicine is better/orNOT....than hippydippy....self evolved cosmic CureZ......
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Cortisone shots — Comprehensive overview covers definition, risks, results of cortisone injections.
Definition
Cortisone shots are injections that may help relieve pain and inflammation in a specific area of your body. Cortisone shots are most commonly given in joints — such as your ankle, elbow, hip, knee, shoulder, spine and wrist. Even the small joints in your hands and feet may benefit from cortisone shots.
Cortisone shots usually include a corticosteroid medication and a local anesthetic. In many cases, cortisone shots can be administered in your doctor's office. However, the number of cortisone shots you can receive in one year may be limited because of potential side effects from the medication.
Why it's done
Cortisone shots may be part of treatment for a number of diseases and conditions, including:
Baker's cyst
Bursitis
Carpal tunnel syndrome
Chondromalacia patella
De Quervain's tenosynovitis
Frozen shoulder
Gout
Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis
Lupus
Morton's neuroma
Myofascial pain syndrome
Osteoarthritis
Plantar fasciitis
Pseudogout
Psoriatic arthritis
Reactive arthritis
Rheumatoid arthritis
Rotator cuff injury
Sarcoidosis
Tendinitis
Tennis elbow
Risks
Cortisone shots carry a risk of complications, such as:
Death of nearby bone (osteonecrosis)
Joint infection
Nerve damage
Skin and soft tissue thinning around injection site
Temporary flare of pain and inflammation in the joint
Tendon weakening or rupture
Thinning of nearby bone (osteoporosis)
Whitening or lightening of the skin around injection site
Limits on the number of cortisone shots
There's some concern that repeated use of cortisone shots may cause deterioration of the cartilage within a joint. For this reason, doctors typically limit the number of cortisone shots in a joint. The limit varies depending on the joint and the reason for treatment. In general, people with osteoarthritis or other noninflammatory conditions may be limited to four total cortisone shots per joint. People with rheumatoid arthritis may be limited to three or four cortisone shot per joint per year.
How you prepare
If you take blood thinners, you may need to forgo these medications for several days before your cortisone shot, to reduce your risk of bleeding or bruising. Some dietary supplements also have a blood-thinning effect. Your family doctor can help coordinate what medications and supplements you should avoid before your cortisone shot.
What you can expect
During the cortisone shot
Your doctor may ask you to remove your clothing and change into a gown. You'll then be positioned in a way that allows your doctor to most easily insert the needle.
The area around the injection site is cleaned. Your doctor may also apply an anesthetic spray to numb the area where the needle will be inserted.
The needle is then inserted into the injection site. If you're receiving a cortisone shot in a joint, the doctor inserts the needle inside the joint. You'll likely feel some pressure when the needle is inserted. Let your doctor know if you're uncomfortable.
The medication is then released into the injection site. What medication you receive is up to your doctor. Typically, cortisone shots include a corticosteroid medication to relieve pain and inflammation over time, and an anesthetic to provide immediate pain relief.
After the cortisone shot
Some people experience redness and a feeling of warmth of the chest and face after receiving a cortisone shot. If you have diabetes, a cortisone shot might temporarily elevate your blood sugar levels.
After your cortisone shot, your doctor may ask that you:
Protect the injection area for a day or two. For instance, if you received a cortisone shot in your shoulder, avoid heavy lifting. If you received a cortisone shot in your knee, stay off your feet when you can.
Apply ice to the injection site as needed to relieve pain.
Watch for signs of infection, including increasing pain, redness and swelling that last more than 48 hours.
Results
Results of cortisone shots typically depend on the reason for the treatment. Cortisone shots commonly cause a temporary flare in pain and inflammation for up to 48 hours after the injection. After that, you should experience decreased pain and inflammation at the injection site.
maybe it'z time for REAL science......
YES.............Cortisone shots...very effective for the banged up....and Hyper extended jointZ....BUT, once U start U will need them for the rest of U'r life....... STEROIDS will also work for joint~pain......sorry for NOT promoting Orthodoxies MED-MJ....tincurtureZ....guidlineZ..... that this beloved site is known for.....
BUT there is a time and a place for everything......
and this might just be the time for ADVANCED medicine.......
just throw'in out idea'z......guys......letz not have A schitt fit over ...which treatment is right from wrong......or if modern medicine is better/orNOT....than hippydippy....self evolved cosmic CureZ......
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Cortisone shots — Comprehensive overview covers definition, risks, results of cortisone injections.
Definition
Cortisone shots are injections that may help relieve pain and inflammation in a specific area of your body. Cortisone shots are most commonly given in joints — such as your ankle, elbow, hip, knee, shoulder, spine and wrist. Even the small joints in your hands and feet may benefit from cortisone shots.
Cortisone shots usually include a corticosteroid medication and a local anesthetic. In many cases, cortisone shots can be administered in your doctor's office. However, the number of cortisone shots you can receive in one year may be limited because of potential side effects from the medication.
Why it's done
Cortisone shots may be part of treatment for a number of diseases and conditions, including:
Baker's cyst
Bursitis
Carpal tunnel syndrome
Chondromalacia patella
De Quervain's tenosynovitis
Frozen shoulder
Gout
Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis
Lupus
Morton's neuroma
Myofascial pain syndrome
Osteoarthritis
Plantar fasciitis
Pseudogout
Psoriatic arthritis
Reactive arthritis
Rheumatoid arthritis
Rotator cuff injury
Sarcoidosis
Tendinitis
Tennis elbow
Risks
Cortisone shots carry a risk of complications, such as:
Death of nearby bone (osteonecrosis)
Joint infection
Nerve damage
Skin and soft tissue thinning around injection site
Temporary flare of pain and inflammation in the joint
Tendon weakening or rupture
Thinning of nearby bone (osteoporosis)
Whitening or lightening of the skin around injection site
Limits on the number of cortisone shots
There's some concern that repeated use of cortisone shots may cause deterioration of the cartilage within a joint. For this reason, doctors typically limit the number of cortisone shots in a joint. The limit varies depending on the joint and the reason for treatment. In general, people with osteoarthritis or other noninflammatory conditions may be limited to four total cortisone shots per joint. People with rheumatoid arthritis may be limited to three or four cortisone shot per joint per year.
How you prepare
If you take blood thinners, you may need to forgo these medications for several days before your cortisone shot, to reduce your risk of bleeding or bruising. Some dietary supplements also have a blood-thinning effect. Your family doctor can help coordinate what medications and supplements you should avoid before your cortisone shot.
What you can expect
During the cortisone shot
Your doctor may ask you to remove your clothing and change into a gown. You'll then be positioned in a way that allows your doctor to most easily insert the needle.
The area around the injection site is cleaned. Your doctor may also apply an anesthetic spray to numb the area where the needle will be inserted.
The needle is then inserted into the injection site. If you're receiving a cortisone shot in a joint, the doctor inserts the needle inside the joint. You'll likely feel some pressure when the needle is inserted. Let your doctor know if you're uncomfortable.
The medication is then released into the injection site. What medication you receive is up to your doctor. Typically, cortisone shots include a corticosteroid medication to relieve pain and inflammation over time, and an anesthetic to provide immediate pain relief.
After the cortisone shot
Some people experience redness and a feeling of warmth of the chest and face after receiving a cortisone shot. If you have diabetes, a cortisone shot might temporarily elevate your blood sugar levels.
After your cortisone shot, your doctor may ask that you:
Protect the injection area for a day or two. For instance, if you received a cortisone shot in your shoulder, avoid heavy lifting. If you received a cortisone shot in your knee, stay off your feet when you can.
Apply ice to the injection site as needed to relieve pain.
Watch for signs of infection, including increasing pain, redness and swelling that last more than 48 hours.
Results
Results of cortisone shots typically depend on the reason for the treatment. Cortisone shots commonly cause a temporary flare in pain and inflammation for up to 48 hours after the injection. After that, you should experience decreased pain and inflammation at the injection site.
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Hey Gypsy,
welcome to the bad knees club! I had a bone chip in my left knee and a bit of torn cartilage in both. I was doing yoga + step aerobics + downhill skiing when I got my knees really sore and the bone chip would lock my knee up for a week at a time.
My chiropractor really helped out by giving my some stretches that helped. By stretching out the back and hips, a lot of pressure can be taken off the knees.
He got me riding an excersise bike daily and I gave up the yoga and aerobics and managed to salvage a ski season. I got my operation in the late spring.
Since I got my knee fixed, I cycle commute to work, ski all winter and do the gym 2-3 x a week.
I do have occaisional flareups of arthritis from the spring and fall dampness and after having a bad cold or bronchitis.
I have found that exercise will work out the arthritis to it's important to keep moving. Drink lot's of water and stretch out the back and hips works for me.
I can only take the NSAID's for a few days until my stomach can't take it any more. I get the best relief from making a topical hash oil and rubbing it on my knees or other joints affected by arthritis. I mostly do edibles and a bit of smoking but there is no comparison to the relief from the topical oil.
welcome to the bad knees club! I had a bone chip in my left knee and a bit of torn cartilage in both. I was doing yoga + step aerobics + downhill skiing when I got my knees really sore and the bone chip would lock my knee up for a week at a time.
My chiropractor really helped out by giving my some stretches that helped. By stretching out the back and hips, a lot of pressure can be taken off the knees.
He got me riding an excersise bike daily and I gave up the yoga and aerobics and managed to salvage a ski season. I got my operation in the late spring.
Since I got my knee fixed, I cycle commute to work, ski all winter and do the gym 2-3 x a week.
I do have occaisional flareups of arthritis from the spring and fall dampness and after having a bad cold or bronchitis.
I have found that exercise will work out the arthritis to it's important to keep moving. Drink lot's of water and stretch out the back and hips works for me.
I can only take the NSAID's for a few days until my stomach can't take it any more. I get the best relief from making a topical hash oil and rubbing it on my knees or other joints affected by arthritis. I mostly do edibles and a bit of smoking but there is no comparison to the relief from the topical oil.
Gypsy.....This is all you need....please believe the hype...I'ved used this stuff for years and its holy water to me
After one month say goodbye to all pain friend
Cissus quadrangularis: Derived from the plant cissus quadrangularis linn.
According to a study, this androgenic phytosteroid has been shown to produce positive nitrogen balance increase in the plasma protein content and increase body weight [muscle mass] as well as increase the total weight of the testes in animals.
The study suggests it acts as an androgenic hormone and is more potent than methandrostenolone (Dianabol or Durabolin).
Quote:
CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS
A healing phenomenon
Leverage performance science supplements will always be supported by science and qualified research. We are happy to provide
you with scientific and technical details as well as explain what each product will do for you in terms we can all understand.
THE SCIENCE
Cissus quadrangularis is an ancient medicinal plant native to the hotter parts of Ceylon and India. It was prescribed in the
ancient Ayurvedic texts as a general tonic and analgesic, with specific bone fracture healing properties. Modern research has
shed light on Cissus' ability to speed bone healing by showing it acts as a glucocorticoid antagonist (1,2).
Since anabolic/androgenic compounds are well known to act as antagonists to the glucocorticoid receptor as well as promote bone growth and fracture healing, it has been postulated that Cissus possesses anabolic and/or androgenic properties (1,3).
In addition to speeding the remodeling process of the healing bone, Cissus also leads to a much faster increase in bone tensile strength. In clinical trials Cissus has led to a fracture healing time on the order of 55 to 33 percent of that of controls. That cissus exerts antiglucocorticoid properties is suggested by a number of studies where bones were weakend by treatment with cortisol, and upon administration of Cissus extract the cortisol induced weakening was halted, and the healing process began.
While the increased rate of bone healing may be of great significance to persons suffering from chronic diseases like osteoporosis (4), the antiglucocorticoid properties of Cissus are likely of much more interest to the average bodybuilder or athlete, since endogenous glucocorticoids, particularly cortisol, are not only catabolic to bone, but catabolize muscle
tissue as well. Numerous studies over the years have suggested that glucorticoids, including the body's endogenous hormone cortisol activate pathways that degrade not only bone, but skeletal muscle tissue as well.
A recently published report documented exactly how glucocorticoids (including cortisol) induce muscle breakdown: They activate the so-called ubiquitin-proteasome pathway of proteolysis (5). This pathway of tissue breakdown is important for removing damaged and non-functional proteins. However, when it is overactive during periods of elevated cortisol (e.g disease states, stress, and over-training) excess amounts of normal tissue are broken down as well. By exerting an anabolic, antiglucorticoid effect cissus helps preserve muscle tissue during times of physical and emotional stress.
Although the bulk of the research on Cissus centers around bone healing, the possibility exists that Cissus may act to improve bone healing and it may improve the healing rate of connective tissue in general, including tendons. If this is the case it would be of great benefit to bodybuilders and athletes.
Besides the above-mentioned properties of Cissus, the plant is also rich in the vitamins/antioxidants vitamin C and beta-carotene.
As analyzed, Cissus quadrangularis contained ascorbic acid 479 mg, and carotene 267 units per 100g of freshly prepared paste in addition to calcium oxalate (6).
The typical recommended daily dosage of Cissus is 3 to 6 grams to accelerate fracture healing. Safety studies in rats showed no toxic effects at dosages as high as 2000 mg/kg of body weight. So not only is Cissus efficacious [effective], it is also quite safe, in either the dried powder form or the commercially available extract.
Cissus also possess analgesic properties on a mg per mg basis comparable to aspirin or anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen.
Cissus quadrangularis, which has been proved to be highly effective in relieving pain, reduction of swelling and promoting the process of healing of the simple fractures as well as in curing the allied disorders associated with fractures (7).
The mechanism through which Cissus exerts its analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties has not been well characterized. It may act centrally, but the anti-inflammatory features suggest that it acts by preventing the conversion of arachidonic acid to inflammatory prostaglandins.
Real World Application for injuries
Simply if you are suffering from joint pain, ligament pain, cartilage pain, had surgery on bone, ligament or cartilage, Cissus is the supplement to use.
It has been my experience that many grapplers take anti-inflammatory medications to fight through the pain. Ultimately, these medications only kill the sensation of pain not the symptom. Cissus has the ability to kill the pain specific to the injury while promoting healing.
Some users will get instant relief and other will need to use Cissus for much longer period of time for complete healing of an injury. Leverage performance science is not claiming that Cissus will work 100% percent of the time that would be a foolish claim.
We have estimated that 85% of users experience relief from our product. This number may lower or rise as more consumers send in reports. In the PHARMACUETICAL industry a 50% success rate is good. Since we are talking about the Pharmaceutical industry, they have yet to produce a product that helps the healing process: They just develop pain edications that are often addicting.
THE OTHER SIDE EFFECT IS ANABOLIC!
Cissus is anabolic and anti-catabolic!!! Cissus users report a "PUMP" that we call the Cissus pump. The PUMP effect becomes prevalent at approximately 10-15 days of continous Cissus use. The "PUMP" is due to the increase of blood flow to the muscle.
The Cissus pump will have you flexing your muscle for no apparent reason. This is when you know the product has exerted its effect.
Cissus is a powerful natural anabolic; if not the most powerful natural anabolic on the market. Why would a grappler need it?
An Anabolic and anti-catabolic substance allows for faster recovery from exercise, from injury, increase in muscle strength,
and stamina. In short, you will be able to train longer and recover faster without the negative effects of anabolic steroids.
Cissus is also an ideal product to use in conjuntion with cAMPED for dropping weight.
Imagine decreasing bodyfat while simultaneously retaining your strength and preserving muscle mass while on a calorie restricted diet! The combined effects of Cissus and cAMPED become a powerful tool for any competive grappler!
WARNING
If using Cissus to heal injury related pain, you may experience instant relief due to its analgesic (pain killing) effect.
This does not mean the injury has completely healed! Please continue your training regimen with extra caution until full recovery has been achieved. On the contrary, if using Cissus primarily for its Anabolic properties your training program should be continued with maximum intensity to reap the full benefits of this product.
HAVE QUESTIONS / COMMENTS / CONCERNS?
Please visit www.leverage.tv/forums for instant answers. We don't shy away from questions nor hide behind sales, marketing and public relations experts. You get the opportunity to talk directly with the researchers, scientists, and chemists that are behind our products. The owner and the research team will be online at www.jiujitsugear.com, www.sherdog.com along with the leverage.tv forum. We are not hard to find.
Roll On!
References
1) Chopra SS, Patel MR, Awadhiya RP. Studies of Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair : a histopathological study Indian J Med Res. 1976 Sep;64(9):1365-8
2) Chopra SS, Patel MR, Gupta LP, Datta IC. Studies on Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair: effect on chemical parameters in blood Indian J Med Res. 1975 Jun;63(6):824-8.
3) PRASAD GC, UDUPA KN. EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS ON THE HEALING OF CORTISONE TREATED FRACTURES. Indian J Med Res. 1963 Jul;51:667-76.
4) Shirwaikar A, Khan S, Malini S. Antiosteoporotic effect of ethanol extract of Cissus quadrangularis Linn. on ovariectomized rat. J Ethnopharmacol. 2003 Dec;89(2-3):245-50.
5) Combaret L, Taillandier D, Dardevet D, Bechet D, Ralliere C, Claustre A, Grizard J, Attaix D Glucocorticoids regulate mRNA levels for subunits of the 19 S regulatory complex of the 26 S proteasome in fast-twitch skeletal muscles. Biochem J. 2004 Feb 15;378(Pt 1):239-46.
6) Chidambara Murthy KN, Vanitha A, Mahadeva Swamy M, Ravishankar GA. Antioxidant and antimicrobial activity of Cissus quadrangularis L.
J Med Food. 2003 Summer;6(2):99-105.
7) Panda, J Res Ayurv Siddha, 1990, 11, 7rences
After one month say goodbye to all pain friend
Cissus quadrangularis: Derived from the plant cissus quadrangularis linn.
According to a study, this androgenic phytosteroid has been shown to produce positive nitrogen balance increase in the plasma protein content and increase body weight [muscle mass] as well as increase the total weight of the testes in animals.
The study suggests it acts as an androgenic hormone and is more potent than methandrostenolone (Dianabol or Durabolin).
Quote:
CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS
A healing phenomenon
Leverage performance science supplements will always be supported by science and qualified research. We are happy to provide
you with scientific and technical details as well as explain what each product will do for you in terms we can all understand.
THE SCIENCE
Cissus quadrangularis is an ancient medicinal plant native to the hotter parts of Ceylon and India. It was prescribed in the
ancient Ayurvedic texts as a general tonic and analgesic, with specific bone fracture healing properties. Modern research has
shed light on Cissus' ability to speed bone healing by showing it acts as a glucocorticoid antagonist (1,2).
Since anabolic/androgenic compounds are well known to act as antagonists to the glucocorticoid receptor as well as promote bone growth and fracture healing, it has been postulated that Cissus possesses anabolic and/or androgenic properties (1,3).
In addition to speeding the remodeling process of the healing bone, Cissus also leads to a much faster increase in bone tensile strength. In clinical trials Cissus has led to a fracture healing time on the order of 55 to 33 percent of that of controls. That cissus exerts antiglucocorticoid properties is suggested by a number of studies where bones were weakend by treatment with cortisol, and upon administration of Cissus extract the cortisol induced weakening was halted, and the healing process began.
While the increased rate of bone healing may be of great significance to persons suffering from chronic diseases like osteoporosis (4), the antiglucocorticoid properties of Cissus are likely of much more interest to the average bodybuilder or athlete, since endogenous glucocorticoids, particularly cortisol, are not only catabolic to bone, but catabolize muscle
tissue as well. Numerous studies over the years have suggested that glucorticoids, including the body's endogenous hormone cortisol activate pathways that degrade not only bone, but skeletal muscle tissue as well.
A recently published report documented exactly how glucocorticoids (including cortisol) induce muscle breakdown: They activate the so-called ubiquitin-proteasome pathway of proteolysis (5). This pathway of tissue breakdown is important for removing damaged and non-functional proteins. However, when it is overactive during periods of elevated cortisol (e.g disease states, stress, and over-training) excess amounts of normal tissue are broken down as well. By exerting an anabolic, antiglucorticoid effect cissus helps preserve muscle tissue during times of physical and emotional stress.
Although the bulk of the research on Cissus centers around bone healing, the possibility exists that Cissus may act to improve bone healing and it may improve the healing rate of connective tissue in general, including tendons. If this is the case it would be of great benefit to bodybuilders and athletes.
Besides the above-mentioned properties of Cissus, the plant is also rich in the vitamins/antioxidants vitamin C and beta-carotene.
As analyzed, Cissus quadrangularis contained ascorbic acid 479 mg, and carotene 267 units per 100g of freshly prepared paste in addition to calcium oxalate (6).
The typical recommended daily dosage of Cissus is 3 to 6 grams to accelerate fracture healing. Safety studies in rats showed no toxic effects at dosages as high as 2000 mg/kg of body weight. So not only is Cissus efficacious [effective], it is also quite safe, in either the dried powder form or the commercially available extract.
Cissus also possess analgesic properties on a mg per mg basis comparable to aspirin or anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen.
Cissus quadrangularis, which has been proved to be highly effective in relieving pain, reduction of swelling and promoting the process of healing of the simple fractures as well as in curing the allied disorders associated with fractures (7).
The mechanism through which Cissus exerts its analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties has not been well characterized. It may act centrally, but the anti-inflammatory features suggest that it acts by preventing the conversion of arachidonic acid to inflammatory prostaglandins.
Real World Application for injuries
Simply if you are suffering from joint pain, ligament pain, cartilage pain, had surgery on bone, ligament or cartilage, Cissus is the supplement to use.
It has been my experience that many grapplers take anti-inflammatory medications to fight through the pain. Ultimately, these medications only kill the sensation of pain not the symptom. Cissus has the ability to kill the pain specific to the injury while promoting healing.
Some users will get instant relief and other will need to use Cissus for much longer period of time for complete healing of an injury. Leverage performance science is not claiming that Cissus will work 100% percent of the time that would be a foolish claim.
We have estimated that 85% of users experience relief from our product. This number may lower or rise as more consumers send in reports. In the PHARMACUETICAL industry a 50% success rate is good. Since we are talking about the Pharmaceutical industry, they have yet to produce a product that helps the healing process: They just develop pain edications that are often addicting.
THE OTHER SIDE EFFECT IS ANABOLIC!
Cissus is anabolic and anti-catabolic!!! Cissus users report a "PUMP" that we call the Cissus pump. The PUMP effect becomes prevalent at approximately 10-15 days of continous Cissus use. The "PUMP" is due to the increase of blood flow to the muscle.
The Cissus pump will have you flexing your muscle for no apparent reason. This is when you know the product has exerted its effect.
Cissus is a powerful natural anabolic; if not the most powerful natural anabolic on the market. Why would a grappler need it?
An Anabolic and anti-catabolic substance allows for faster recovery from exercise, from injury, increase in muscle strength,
and stamina. In short, you will be able to train longer and recover faster without the negative effects of anabolic steroids.
Cissus is also an ideal product to use in conjuntion with cAMPED for dropping weight.
Imagine decreasing bodyfat while simultaneously retaining your strength and preserving muscle mass while on a calorie restricted diet! The combined effects of Cissus and cAMPED become a powerful tool for any competive grappler!
WARNING
If using Cissus to heal injury related pain, you may experience instant relief due to its analgesic (pain killing) effect.
This does not mean the injury has completely healed! Please continue your training regimen with extra caution until full recovery has been achieved. On the contrary, if using Cissus primarily for its Anabolic properties your training program should be continued with maximum intensity to reap the full benefits of this product.
HAVE QUESTIONS / COMMENTS / CONCERNS?
Please visit www.leverage.tv/forums for instant answers. We don't shy away from questions nor hide behind sales, marketing and public relations experts. You get the opportunity to talk directly with the researchers, scientists, and chemists that are behind our products. The owner and the research team will be online at www.jiujitsugear.com, www.sherdog.com along with the leverage.tv forum. We are not hard to find.
Roll On!
References
1) Chopra SS, Patel MR, Awadhiya RP. Studies of Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair : a histopathological study Indian J Med Res. 1976 Sep;64(9):1365-8
2) Chopra SS, Patel MR, Gupta LP, Datta IC. Studies on Cissus quadrangularis in experimental fracture repair: effect on chemical parameters in blood Indian J Med Res. 1975 Jun;63(6):824-8.
3) PRASAD GC, UDUPA KN. EFFECT OF CISSUS QUADRANGULARIS ON THE HEALING OF CORTISONE TREATED FRACTURES. Indian J Med Res. 1963 Jul;51:667-76.
4) Shirwaikar A, Khan S, Malini S. Antiosteoporotic effect of ethanol extract of Cissus quadrangularis Linn. on ovariectomized rat. J Ethnopharmacol. 2003 Dec;89(2-3):245-50.
5) Combaret L, Taillandier D, Dardevet D, Bechet D, Ralliere C, Claustre A, Grizard J, Attaix D Glucocorticoids regulate mRNA levels for subunits of the 19 S regulatory complex of the 26 S proteasome in fast-twitch skeletal muscles. Biochem J. 2004 Feb 15;378(Pt 1):239-46.
6) Chidambara Murthy KN, Vanitha A, Mahadeva Swamy M, Ravishankar GA. Antioxidant and antimicrobial activity of Cissus quadrangularis L.
J Med Food. 2003 Summer;6(2):99-105.
7) Panda, J Res Ayurv Siddha, 1990, 11, 7rences
Since breaking my kneecap right in half and 2 surgeries and about 15 years later,it's best to keep your muscles warm around the knee since I've always worked out and when I take a break,no leg workout,I find the hamstrings starts to get tight and it pulls and it can get painful.So back into the gym to keep it warm.Has to be the imbalances of the quads and hamstrings not working together.
I was asked for Cortisone shots and I said no since it will weaken anything it touches and the muscles can really pull and rip either way if one is not careful.
Good luck Gypsy...Let us know since I had taken PT in college and it was always an imbalances of muscle that cause folks alot of pain.Besides joint on joint which I know nothing of. But that rush of pain in the morning sounds like a tear of some sort. oohhh mannn..I broken 5 bones and I'll tell ya,morning are terrible from those blood rushes!
Doing Yoga around the knee might help prevent future tears.
I was asked for Cortisone shots and I said no since it will weaken anything it touches and the muscles can really pull and rip either way if one is not careful.
Good luck Gypsy...Let us know since I had taken PT in college and it was always an imbalances of muscle that cause folks alot of pain.Besides joint on joint which I know nothing of. But that rush of pain in the morning sounds like a tear of some sort. oohhh mannn..I broken 5 bones and I'll tell ya,morning are terrible from those blood rushes!
Doing Yoga around the knee might help prevent future tears.
ManitobaMedical
Member
all my knees and ankles are pop lock'n all the time the only form of medicine that actualy help is edbible cannabis. smoking is fun , but the medicine is the tincture foods part of it .....
]MAnitoBA
]MAnitoBA
you guys should all try Cissus..it would change all of your lives....
Gypsy,
I had arthroscopic surgery for an ACL replacement at the tender age of 55. To me it came down to one thing, quality of life. Mine was athletics related with many miles, like you and so many others on here have stated.
Depending on the damage, there's probably no substitute for arthroscopic surgery and the 6 months of pain and limited mobility from post op and PT, which is a bitch by the way.
Hope it works out for you!
I had arthroscopic surgery for an ACL replacement at the tender age of 55. To me it came down to one thing, quality of life. Mine was athletics related with many miles, like you and so many others on here have stated.
Depending on the damage, there's probably no substitute for arthroscopic surgery and the 6 months of pain and limited mobility from post op and PT, which is a bitch by the way.
Hope it works out for you!
