Flowering.... trimming fan leaves off....leaving fan leaves on

[DHF]

With bare bulbs , all things are possible.....When I was dialin pre-veg times before the flip on my newly acquired Chem D`s in my vertical rack rooms w/3-600`s stacked , I had 4 separate rooms with 64 plants in each that ended up 6" from the bulbs without a trace of light bleaching or heat scorching all the way till end of cycle.....and how ?...

Small muffin fan below the lights on it`s lowest speed to assist in natural heat convection and push all hot air up constantly to be sucked out through exhaust/scrubber combo`s with air exchange twice per minute......

64 plants blasted by 1800 watts continuously 12 hrs a day x 4 with not 1 plant scorched or bleached speaks volumes about environmental control.....

Many ways ta skin a mule Dr F ....You slingin absolutes about how you guarantee this and that won`t work don`t apply when X can be "anything" growin dope......

It`s to be experienced and dialed personally , and most definitely NOT to be limited by what small/closed minded individuals deem it to be as THEY say so......Please.....

Anyways....Ya`ll keep strokin and strippin accordingly at the right time for dialed results sooner than later......

Peace.....DHF...........

 

[northerngrafta]

Cheers dhf

 

[Crooked8]

With bare bulbs , all things are possible.....When I was dialin pre-veg times before the flip on my newly acquired Chem D`s in my vertical rack rooms w/3-600`s stacked , I had 4 separate rooms with 64 plants in each that ended up 6" from the bulbs without a trace of light bleaching or heat scorching all the way till end of cycle.....and how ?...

Small muffin fan below the lights on it`s lowest speed to assist in natural heat convection and push all hot air up constantly to be sucked out through exhaust/scrubber combo`s with air exchange twice per minute......

64 plants blasted by 1800 watts continuously 12 hrs a day x 4 with not 1 plant scorched or bleached speaks volumes about environmental control.....

Many ways ta skin a mule Dr F ....You slingin absolutes about how you guarantee this and that won`t work don`t apply when X can be "anything" growin dope......

It`s to be experienced and dialed personally , and most definitely NOT to be limited by what small/closed minded individuals deem it to be as THEY say so......Please.....

Anyways....Ya`ll keep strokin and strippin accordingly at the right time for dialed results sooner than later......

Peace.....DHF...........

Yes

 

[vapedg13]

defoliation results are strain related...some like it some don't.... some have a lot of leaves to remove... some have very few

I have found that almost all the marijuana strains I tried respond good to part or full defoliation

 

[Rolldaddy]

I read this whole thread and post 322 makes the most sense and sounds more accurate that the rest of them.

But that's just my opinion. And you know what they about those haha

 

[northerngrafta]

Ye I second that 322 is a must read if your interested in this thread

 

[EclipseFour20]

And he spent the time to put it all together...drawings and all.

 

[Crooked8]

It is a great post. All about the light penetration at the right time. The plants need to remain unmolested until stretch is basically over. Then lower stem removal, then defoliation begins around week 5-6 slowly through week 8-9. Ive never seen a bad response to this method.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

Great thread guys!
The usual ranting by a few, but other than that lots of good information.
I agree with the facts of success with defoliation
- strain dependent
- our lights are stationary,
therefore we need to defo. The sun moves across the firmament...
The last beeing the most logical for me. Due to our planets spin, the lightsource SUN moves and all leaves get light. If it doesnt move there are dead spots due to too much foliage.
There was a great post about this some 20 pages earlier.
That does it for me, besides it works.
Thanks everyone who contributed knowledge.

 

[Bassy59]

IC plainly explained earlier in his pursuit of knowledge and experience on strippin leaves for increased production involved learning WHAT needed to go and WHEN to do it to prevent plant stall and recovery periods......

Point blank.....You can trim/shape/prune plants easily during veg due to the major root and foliage building process with increased light per cycle , but the MINUTE you pull the trigger and flip to bloomage/12/12 , hormonal changes begin , and ........

IF you fuck with your plants strippin leaves and sucker branches during stretch that`s scientifically proven to be 40% of the flowering cycle , they`ll shut down and take a minimum of 10-14 days to recover back to the point where they were from what I witnessed with my own eyes at several locations when I made the mistake.....

EVERYTHING I post is from first hand experience of doin this more yrs than I care to remember , but take this shit to the bank guys......

I learned that the bottom`s and the backs of my plants didn`t need lollipopped/hacked out that did in FACT increase my bottom line returns on my flip rooms , so in closing.....

I learned the hard way about strippin leaves when jrosek talked me into that shit several yrs ago saying strip EVERYTHING/ALL FANS @ day 21 and then again @ day 45 for increased yields and bud size.......

What it did was stunt the fuck outta my clone only Chem D`s that I`d been pullin 6 +/- lbs per room perpetually for a while.....Took me 12 weeks to pull what I`d been pullin in 10 WITHOUT strippin leaves.....but.....

When those 12 weeks were up , it was evident what the leaf removal had done as far as swellage and trichome production so I asked my old ass why , and it hit me......

Strain dependent......Genetics.......PERIOD.......That`s the ONLY way it can be explained as to why some folks kill without knowing it using flagrant de-fol , and some folks suck dick and yield is reduced due to the simple fact of not knowing WHEN to start getting rid of excess "un-needed" foliage till end of cycle.....and....

Before you come back with your dribble bout starving the plants of CO2 consumption without fanleaves Dr F....

EVERY fan left juttin out of colas AFTER gradual leaf strippin has MORE than enough stomata left to process and convert photosynthesis/CO2 since the plant`s primary function in full swellage is to suck juice during lights on for swellage during lights off , and pump resin for plant survival till death lights on ....

ALL these things I know from doin this outside AND in for over 30 yrs.....Not any "cut and paste" over here DR F....Been chillin at the beach for almost 2 months , and then come back to more shit stirring with you center stage talkin down to everyone as usual.....

Guys....I never experienced yield increase per se , but I did experience lower nuggage and backs of plants swelling more for overall better bag appeal instead of hash pile for headies , and the BIGGEST factor was.....

Ease of trim after the chop......Simple....Babyshit.....aight....Nuff outta my old retired ass ......Dr F....

Step off or gain some composure and respect.....Nobody here appreciates your holier than thou attitude OR attempts at your pecker bein bigger than ours....and....1 last thing......

Anyone that would admit in open forum to adulterating hash after the fact or during by "leafing it up" to increase weight , and then turn around and say it was to dilute it for the patients cuz it was too strong , is proof in the pudding where YOUR head`s at and I rest my case.......

Profit over finished product.......Good luck with your commercial biz.....I ran mine with quality first and quantity would follow with dialage......anyways....

Strip leaves gradually after stretch is completely done over a 1-2 week period into full flower strain dependent till they`re all gone and reap the benefits.......bet on it.....


Peace.....DHF..........

So much good shit here.

I don't even get why Dr.f is even allowed on this forum. All he ever does is shit on peoples methods that are different from his. The ego is way the fuck over the top.

@dr.F and his 24" from light BS. Do you even know what a light depth chart is? Have you ever read one? I keep my tops @ 10" and this allows very useable penetration thanks to defoliation all the way to 36".

W/o defoliation, this same light couldnt penetrate more than 20" or 10" from the top of the plants.

As previously mentioned, timing is everything as well. I've been using the hi-defoliation method for about 18 months now and I am extremely happy. The originator of the old thread that got closed (no thanks to D.F.) even came to my grow and guided me some on my first attempt. I'm truly thankful.

 

[nachoconqueso]

I just flash defoliated my plants at day 22. I get around the same yield every time so ill let you guys know how it goes. I can't comment until I see the final results, but I can see that a majority of my bud sites are highly illuminated in comparison to my previous grows. I won't have results until mid December.

 

[X_man]

I normally manage fuck things up just bad enough that the plant starts to defoliate itself. I really don't have any say so in the matter.

That's me too FF. I usually just pluck the ones that are yellow or just tuck bigger fans if shading budsites.

 

[stoney917]

Been thinkn bout flash defoliation to ....wish u did it a month ago nacho.... I been takin shit lil at a time anguttering nowhere ... But think ima go in there morro and finish... I definately see the light penetration helpin under the main canopy

 

[Coconutz]

I just flash defoliated my plants at day 22. I get around the same yield every time so ill let you guys know how it goes. I can't comment until I see the final results, but I can see that a majority of my bud sites are highly illuminated in comparison to my previous grows. I won't have results until mid December.

You're supposed to defoliate to increase the size of the budsites before flower. Getting them extra light wont do too much now. You should just remove stuff that hasn't been getting enough light.
Removing fans to expose otherwise good sized budsites is fine.

 

[Crooked8]

You're supposed to defoliate to increase the size of the budsites before flower. Getting them extra light wont do too much now. You should just remove stuff that hasn't been getting enough light.
Removing fans to expose otherwise good sized budsites is fine.

That simply isnt true. There is no "supposed to" and defoliation before onset other than minimally is very stressful for a plant right before flowering. I dont defoliate until week 5. That is when i have gotten my best results. Flash defoliation i dont recommend ever. Slowly every other day after week 5 until week 8. Least stressful and effective method ive found over the years"

 

[Ichabod Crane]

That simply isnt true. There is no "supposed to" and defoliation before onset other than minimally is very stressful for a plant right before flowering. I dont defoliate until week 5. That is when i have gotten my best results. Flash defoliation i dont recommend ever. Slowly every other day after week 5 until week 8. Least stressful and effective method ive found over the years"

I agree with this. I feel it is better to move the light around to stack the buds rather than remove the leaves.

Every time I take a large amount of leaves real quick it has stunted my plant for several days or more. Much better in my opinion to take them as crooked8 says. Nice and slow at first and then a little fater as flower progresses.

 

[al70]

ye, one or two leaves every couple o days and always after watering.

 

[Coconutz]

Im not saying defoliating in veg is a good or bad idea... Just warning the guy that defoliating a shit load of leaves all of a sudden in flower is a very bad thing. Removing a few here and there is fine.
Defoliation will give you stronger bud sites lowerer on the plant in veg, but it will also stunt your plant...
The people using the defoliation method get the shock of removing a bunch of leaves over with in veg when they have extra time before they have to put more plants into flower anyway, so slowing them down doesnt hurt them.
After they have been stripped of all the leaf removing a few here and there wont hurt them at all in flower. But, to just all of a sudden rip off a bunch in flower is going to hurt really bad, was all I was saying...
Many ways ta skin a mule, but ripping the leaves off all of a sudden in flower aint one
BTW, Ive done it all. After you rip off a bunch of leaves you will see the plant stop taking up any water at all. This is wasted time in flower at a critical time period.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^this is all correct in my opinion.

 

[papaduc]

Well... I have to disagree that defoliating a lot at once has such a negative effect - based on my own recent experience - because the canopy shots I posted earlier in the thread are from run in which I defoliated those plants completely all at once, about a couple of weeks into flower.

I said at the time I worried about the effect it'd have, but it turned out fine, as you can see in the pictures. The way the plants responded after that showed me a different result to what you're discussing above. And that was multiple strains and I think 7-9 different phenotypes from a seed run.

When you talk about removing just a couple of leaves every few days after week 5, you're not talking about defoliating in the sense as it's put forward by the likes of Jrosek etc. It's this method which is controversial and which splits opinion down the middle - the removal of everything down to the bare bones and the resultant effect.

I think the practice of defoliating with regards to plucking the odd leaf during flower is widely accepted and a more orthodox. It's the extreme end of the scale - and whether it increases or decreases productivity, which splits opinion.


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