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The Wussification of Boys

Storm Shadow

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http://www.ithp.org/articles/violentvideogames.html



The effects of violent video games. Do they affect our behavior?

by: Brad J. Bushman, Ph.D. Professor of Communication and Psychology, The Ohio State University; Professor
of Communication Science, VU University, Amsterdam, the Netherlands

February 12th 2013 related article: Mass shooting and mass media: Does media coverage of mass shootings inspire copycat crimes?




In 1972, the Surgeon General issued the following warning on violent TV programs: "It is clear to me that the causal relationship between televised violence and antisocial behavior is sufficient to warrant appropriate and immediate remedial action. … There comes a time when the data are sufficient to justify action. That time has come."" (Steinfeld, 1972).

That was over 4 decades ago! In the years since this Surgeon General warning was issued, hundreds of additional studies have shown a link between violent media exposure and aggression (e.g., Anderson & Bushman, 2002a). The Surgeon General warning was about violent TV programs and films. What about violent video games?

Are Violent Video Games More Harmful than Violent TV Programs and Films?
There are at least three reasons to believe that violent video games might be even more harmful than violent TV programs and films.
•First, video game play is active whereas watching TV is passive. People learn better when they are actively involved. Suppose you wanted to learn how to fly an airplane. What would be the best method to use: read a book, watch a TV program, or use a video game flight simulator?

•Second, players of violent video games are more likely to identify with a violent character. If the game is a first person shooter, players have the same visual perspective as the killer. If the game is third person, the player controls the actions of the violent character from a more distant visual perspective. In a violent TV program, viewers might or might not identify with a violent character. People are more likely to behave aggressively themselves when they identify with a violent character (e.g., Konijn et al., 2007)

•Third, violent games directly reward violent behavior, such as by awarding points or by allowing players to advance to the next game level. In some games, players are rewarded through verbal praise, such as hearing the words "Nice shot!" after killing an enemy. It is well known that rewarding behavior increases its frequency. (Would you go to work tomorrow if your boss said you would no longer be paid?) In TV programs, reward is not directly tied to the viewer's behavior.

In summary, there are good theoretical reasons to believe that violent video games are even more harmful that violent TV programs or films. We also have empirical data showing this (Polman et al., 2008). In this study, children were randomly assigned to play a violent video game or watch someone else play it. There was also a nonviolent video game control condition. The results showed that boys who played a violent video game were more aggressive afterwards than were boys who merely watched.

Are Violent Video Games Good For You?
Some people claim that violent video games are good for you. Some players believe that violent video games are cathartic (i.e., they allow players to release pent up anger into harmless channels). The scientific evidence directly contradicts this idea. Over 130 studies have been conducted on over 130,000 participants around the world (Anderson et al., 2010). These studies show that violent video games increase aggressive thoughts, angry feelings, physiological arousal (e.g., heart rate, blood pressure), and aggressive behavior. Violent games also decrease helping behavior and feelings of empathy for others.

Other people claim that playing violent games increases eye-hand coordination, and research supports this claim (e.g., Green & Bavelier, 2007). However, violent content might not be required to obtain these beneficial effects. Perhaps similar video games without violence would also increase eye-hand coordination.

Why Do People Deny the Harmful Effects of Violent Video Games?
Although the scientific evidence clearly shows that violent video games have harmful effects, many people still deny these effects, especially violent game players. There are at least four reasons why.



•First, people may think: "I play violent video games and I've never killed anyone." This fallacious reasoning is a good example of how the "availability heuristic" coupled with the "base rate problem" (Kahneman & Tversky, 1973) distort reasoning. People have great difficulty judging influences on events when the base rate probability of the event is very low. It is not surprising that people who play violent video games have not killed anyone because very few people kill anyone. For example, fewer than 6 people per 100,000 are murdered each year in the United States (U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, 2010). It is very difficult to predict rare events, such as murder, using exposure to violent video games or any other factor. However, murder is the most salient violent event to most people; so when they don't have "available" in memory cases of people playing violent games and then murdering, they ignore the base rate of murder and conclude that violent games have no effect on aggression.

•Second, researchers have also found that people believe the media have a much stronger effect on others than on themselves. This effect is very robust and is called the third person effect (e.g., Davison, 1983). The consequence of this psychological effect is that people may often agree that media violence has a bad effect on some people, but not on themselves. This thinking then leads to a denial of the overall importance of the effects from a public health standpoint.

•Third, the entertainment industry frequently claims that violent media do not increase aggression (Anderson & Bushman 2002b). Even though the public may recognize that making such claims is in the economic self-interest of the entertainment industry, the repetition of the claims of no effects still seems to have an effect. Since the 1972 Surgeon General warning, the scientific evidence has grown even stronger (see Figure 1). But an analysis of over 600 news reports shows that over time, news stories are more likely to deny the harmful effect of media violence (see Figure 1). Most Americans aren't even aware that the U.S. Surgeon General issued a warning about TV violence. Perhaps this is because most Americans get their information from the mass media. The entertainment industry is probably reluctant to admit that they are marketing a harmful product, much like the tobacco industry was reluctant to admit that they were marketing a harmful product.

Figure 1. Conservative Scientific (Lower Boundary of 99.9% Confidence Interval) vs. News Reports of the Effect of Media Violence on Aggression (Anderson & Bushman, 2002b)

•Fourth, people do not understand psychological processes as well as they understand biological processes. If you see a violent video game player assault another person, it is difficult to know the direct cause of the assault. Was it playing violent video games for hours on end, or was it something else? The psychological process by which playing violent video games produces this result is not as intuitive to most people as are biological processes. People are probably more accepting of the idea that smoking causes lung cancer, for example, because it is much easier to grasp the idea that smoke going into the lungs, damages cells, and starts tumor growth.

These processes combine to create an atmosphere in which non-expert journalists, and even some social scientists, write articles and books arguing that violent video games are not harmful. However, the vast majority of social scientists working in the area believe that violent video games can be harmful (e.g., Pollard Sacks, Bushman, & Anderson, 2011).
 

sso

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.... Im pretty sure if someone dug around, we would find some papers done by phd´s about the harmfulness of

Violent movies.

Rock and roll

and so on..
 

Storm Shadow

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Your missing the point buddy...

American Studies = Lies

Any other Country = TRUTH

Just like EVERY SINGLE CANNABIS STUDY
 

sso

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With society as it is, it is certain that some people will go nuts and kill people.

Do most people shoot people after playing video games?

No, most by far do not.

Would the small minority that does, stop if we banned violent video games?

Are you serious?

Son of sam thought the neighbors dog commanded him to kill people.

Nuts people are nuts.

Banning videogames is not the solution to fix them.
 

Storm Shadow

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I never said "IT' was the problem... It's education the reason why people are so stupid...

Video games...the better the game play gets...the more of a zombie you will become...and you will become just the exact way your life was intended to be .. a slave to the system

What exactly is a wuss? It's a stupid selfless tag you attach to something you feel isn't worthy of you call yourself a man? A man doesn't use words like "PUSSY" to make a point..

Only primitive broke ass jokes speak the language of fools
 

hush

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For everyone engaging in this argument: correlation does not equal causation.
 

Storm Shadow

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BTW..... I have a degree in Women's Studies from USC... and I can tell you str8 up... what attracts a women more then anything on this planet in a man is 1 thing

CONFIDENCE

pure and simple
 

sso

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I never said "IT' was the problem... It's education the reason why people are so stupid...

Schools could use improvement yes.

Video games...the better the game play gets...the more of a zombie you will become...and you will become just the exact way your life was intended to be .. a slave to the system

I find that games make people smarter, so lets agree to disagree.

What exactly is a wuss? It's a stupid selfless tag you attach to something you feel isn't worthy of you call yourself a man? A man doesn't use words like "PUSSY" to make a point..

I was making a connection to an earlier part of this thread, we kinda agree on this.

Only primitive broke ass jokes speak the language of fools

It might be said that only primitive ass jokes define people by appearance or use of language.

But then again, i think we are all just primitive monkeys with delusions of grandeur..
 

Hydrosun

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BTW..... I have a degree in Women's Studies from USC... and I can tell you str8 up... what attracts a women more then anything on this planet in a man is 1 thing

CONFIDENCE

pure and simple

Wow!!!!!!!!! Now I've pissed my pants. 40K a year tuition when you went to south central? And now you have degree in comm. SWEET!!!
 

sso

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Wow!!!!!!!!! Now I've pissed my pants. 40K a year tuition when you went to south central? And now you have degree in comm. SWEET!!!

Lets not make this into a pissing contest.

When people have to bring up who they are and what they have done to defend a point, it simply means they do not have a strong point they have full confidence in.

Debating in anger is only done by fools and it never leads to anything but more stupidity. (and i speak from personal experience. lots actually..)
 

Storm Shadow

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Yeah its nice to attend to the school in the neighborhood you grew up in...Im sure you can relate..

This topic is be discussed among adults... not little whiny old men who are upset about virtual fake fantasy football leagues :)

Btw its going to be 50K on the new room Jeff :) I'm starting to dip into those outdoor profits :)
 

Hydrosun

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One year tuition on a room.... How big is that student debt? I guess the womens studies might help with the ladies, but your production isn't vouched for by anyone. Didn't know you were a kid. Enjoy your 20's.

:joint:
 

bombadil.360

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skinny jeans, baggy jeans, hippie pants, etc... all fashion of kids.

most of them grow up that phase and enter manhood, some do it earlier, some later, some never do.

that's the way it has always been.
 

blastfrompast

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i dunno...I know in the 80's when hair metal was all the rage guys wore makeup...

But nowadays it is about guys wanting to look more feminine it seems...

But then I don't understand why anyone would want to stretch their earlobes either...
 

unclefishstick

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well,im old enough i view all younger people with suspicion and want them to stay out of my yard and in general see them as shiftless lay-abouts and ne'er do wells...but on the other hand the older generations have done a good job of screwing things up and have shown remarkably little foresight so of course the younger generation is going to reject the old values in a wholesale fashion...they're in the process of writing life 2.0 and its only natural very little of the old way is going to remain...look at what they have to deal with,i just went and bought a chip for my camera...only 18 gigs....but when i went to college that would probably have been more memory than every single computer on campus combined...im sure an average smart phone has more processing power than all the computers combined as well....so they are just getting ready for an age when the tools they have will seem almost magical to us....why go shopping when your home printer can make what you need? learn to drive? i just tell the car where to go....cut down a tree? why do that when you can get nano engineered carbon fiber composites?

maybe the old macho paradigms simply dont apply to these new creatures...
 

nattynattygurrl

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As for the video game debate…
I don’t pretend to know what causes all the violence, and I don’t necessarily believe it's linked to video games…
with that said…
…last week, while GMJ was playing GTA online, I over heard 2 different kids separately express their disappointment that there weren’t any schools in the new GTA, literally minutes apart from one another…I don’t know, maybe they were “kidding” and I missed the humor, but it really gave me the creeps.


…Of course, much of this thread also gives me the creeps… :witch:

Happy hallows eve! :pumpkin:
 

Holdin'

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This thread has me cracking up. Many points here are very true...

I am at the tail end of a very disgraceful generation - kid's in their late teens/early twenties these days are far different from what even me and all of my friends/circle were all about... Some of it I don't understand, a lot of it I do. Our society as taken a turn that is affecting our youth in a very negative way. I think we are starting to see (and have been for a little while) the real negative effects of overpopulation.

I used to want kids, now I am not so sure - parenting is a huge part of who people become, but our world also shapes them in certain ways, or so I observe. I can only say so much because I do not have kids - but I, and my sister was raised by a single parent, my Dad. He is a very solid, smart, straightforward, and good man - and in my opinion raised us in a way children should be raised. It takes a decent head on ones' shoulders, it also takes leading that head in the correct direction... Which I've always felt that, if I were a parent, I would be a prime candidate to do - but with the current younger generation at hand, I really don't know if it's parenting, society, or a clusterfuck of both. Hmm... I think I am getting my point across here...

Maybe I've just over-dabbed and talking out my ass... but yeah, a good point to bring up, this thread...
 

sso

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Worrying about the future.

You guys do that because you never look enough to the past and imagine what it would be like living there, with the info and sensibilities you have today.


And i mean, actually living there with all it entails.

The future is fucking brighter than ever.

Todays problems are a pimple.
 

Growcephus

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Let's base the whole system of education on a single principle, the "pain vs. pleasure"

Shit

I think I can see where it's coming from though. I am still amazed when I learn that some of my peers from early school days have turned out

Just fine

Education is a different subject.

Pleasure and pain, as used in this example, is simply a way to describe brain chemistry that most people can relate to and understand.

Dopamine is created and released when we are performing "pleasant" behaviors.

Cortisol is created and released when we are performing "painful / stressful" behaviors.

Science has proven that behavior IS associated and influenced by the production of these chemicals, at both conscious and unconscious levels. Physical pain IS a valid tool to use for behavioral modification. It's not "cruel" or "mean", it's simply science.

While the METHOD of conditioning behavior using pain is certainly debatable, the fact that pain WILL condition behavior is not.
 
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