Strains already chosen, but just decided to switch vertical.

[StayFoolish22]

So I just spent a few hundred on beans and I already have a pretty good idea of what strains I am going to be running and at what times.

Now my question is a few of them are said to grow best untapped and will finish around 4-6 ft and stocky. Is this going to be a problem for this style of growing? Not sure about the space I will be using yet, this is all being put together in notebooks first then will be enacted once I get everything together.

Strains I will be running this time:
Phantom Cookiesx10
Vortexx5
Ace of Spadesx5
Lost Coast Hashplantx5

Thinking about popping:
Pineapple Skunkx5

From what Ive read Vortex and Pineapple skunk will be great for vertical.

Ace of spades, Phantom Cookies and Hashplant I am a bit worried about. Hashplant is a Trainwreck x Hashplant so it may work out alright.

Not sure how Phantom cookies or Hashplant will work out.

Obviously I am far away from a harvesting room, I will need to pop them, pick mothers, move out males clone mothers and then setup rooms for final flower.

This is going to be a breeding project more than a project for yield/$$. So Vertical is making me kind of jolly because of the extra space.


First post btw, sorry for the length >_>

 

[Femora]

Hey there SF22!
Welcome to Icmag, and to the vert-forums!


Do you have any more details of your vertical plans?


If you are about to run a 6 feet plant vertical youll need to think it over both once and twice.. stacked bulbs, trees, w/e you're in to.
Are you going Marlo-WOW-style... or maybe HGO donuts?

HGO; https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=255432

W.o.W; https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=221265

Or maybe Heath-inspired vert-sog-racks from Bobblehead?

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=218026



Just saying, there are alot of different vertical.. What suits you best?



I cant tell alot about the strains.
Whats common for vert is "that you need a hybrid with a healthy stretch both in hight and sideways to fill out the canopy."
Short internodal distance is preferable to.


No matter what path you choose... do yourself a favor and put em into flower a little earlier then planned. You really, REALLY do not want OG-monsters in there when trying to dial a strain for a great next run.


If you wanna see what I have going you are welcome to follow my link in the forum signature.
Its a strainhunt atm, and Im doing as usual (chaotic and alot of issues..)
But maybe, maybe, you can find something useful in there, maybe avoid some mines I already stepped on. (?)


Best of luck!
And once again! Welcome to ICMag!

Fem~

 

[StayFoolish22]

Im thinking the HGO donuts is what I am going after. Or maybe a vertical Scrog type deal.

Im thinking 1 600w on the bottom and a 1000w on the top, 2 bulbs per donut. Might be overkill I am not sure. Its all how the strains react I guess and how things feel in the room. So basically I just need to avoid strains that are short to medium?

Truly only time will tell, and from what I gather, if the plant prefers to grow untrained, just increase plant count correct?

 

[Hammerhead]

I was growing Vertical for years, Loved it super Yields...Now after upgrading to Gavita and E-Papillon im back to Horizontal because they don't work vertically. My room was super simple. I just hung the lights bare bulb with the plants all around them worked great. No donuts or stadiums.

You will love it.

 

[StayFoolish22]

Have you finished any runs yet with the new lights? Basically the only thing set in stone are the strains, we are moving into the new place in the next 7 days then its on.

Ive ran horizontal my whole life, but this vertical thing looks super interesting.

I just don't know what to start in on. The gavita's look very appealing though. Anybody have any input on gavita vs vertical. There was a thread a few pages back but it got locked.

 

[Hammerhead]

oh ya lov them wont ever change back. Getting one more E-P. IMO they rival vertical growing. there is no other light that puts out as much PAR as these do. The penetration is outstanding . when I did my first run I left it on 1150 and it fried the tops 2 feet away. I found out that the min distance is 25-30" @1k setting.

 

[StayFoolish22]

Thats the last thing I want to hear heh. I am so on the fence right now. Between a gavita, epap or a vertical grow. I keep reading through endless forums trying to hash it out.

I feel like I will get better results doing what I know, which is horizontal, only changing lights and doing the gavitas. But then I see some of these really clean verticals that are producing like champs.

Can any of the other vertical vs gavita & epap chime in.

I was reading that someone was running bare bulbs, and recently switched to parabolics and got a huge increase in yield. I can find the post if needed. Is this a fluke or could he have not had an efficient vertical setup. Sorry for the endless barrage, just trying to get my peas in a pod so to speak.

Thanks all.

 

[LyryC]

What are the room specs... And will you be able to cool all those bulbs or are you in a situation like me 5x5 where you only need a stack of 2 bulbs?

Honestly Gavita is where the money is at. Vert does have its merrits and like everyone says it really boils down to what suits you.

Welcome to ICmag brother!

 

[StayFoolish22]

Room is not chosen yet, in the midst of checking out 3 houses this weekend. Heh its always a wild ride with me >_>

I am really leaning on the Gavitas at this point.

I feel like if I find a place with 10ft ceilings I will run the Gavitas, if I Find 8ft ceilings then it will be a vert setup.

1 600w MH and 1 1000w HPS per stack, run 3 stacks or circles or w/e.

I just don't want to end up buying 6-8 ballasts, then realize the Gavitas were a better choice for the strains I got, and vertical was a bad idea. Having to rebuild and restart in 4 months.

The strains I am running are kinda chosen with a specific project in mind so. I really want to keep them how they are, now its a matter of making the perfect rooms for them that will work best over time.