The SNOWDEN Saga continues...

[Flying Goat]

Shit, y'all got me on a rant... I got a nice prime rib 1" thick sitting here, with all the delicious crispy fat, grilled on my mini-parilla in the fireplace... and I'm thinking 'bout this thread.

If you think I'm talking bullshit, just think about Princess Diana. PERFECT... CLASSIC Illuminati assassination. Don't believe me?

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA5Ha42aiTA

Now, having seen what the US MSM whores have had to say, and having seen what the BBC has had to say (blame the papparazzi)... Can you say it's pure coincidence?

Most disgusting was Diana's brother's speech after she was murdered. Standing in front of his estate, fence spikes topped with Fleur de Lis... (study symbology).

Coincidence??? Not a chance.

Assassinations are allowed to happen. Witness Itshak Rubin, reviewing his army & security. The army actually stepped back and ONE OF THEM shot him. Bip, bap, chau!

Look into "The 27 Club" and Amy Winehouse's death, also Heath Ledger, David Carradine (he did NOT get overpowered by someone in his hotel room in Bangkok), Whitney Houston, etc. I have a book with over 32 pages of names, dates, facts of people "taken out & shut up" by the goobermint.

I thot I was the only one who cared, until I logged in here. Why is the rest of America still asleep?

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I have a movie with original Zapruder film showing Kennedy hit in the throat from the grassy knoll after all security is pulled back & the SS man on the right of the limo goes "WTF?" questioning his orders. Still, he pulls back. After Kennedy is hit in the throat, the driver of the limo slows almost to a crawl, still in the "kill zone," and then turns with pistol in left hand and you can clearly see muzzle flash as he hits Kennedy in the right temple as he was slumping toward Jackie. Jackie thot she was next and was trying to climb outta the car...

Well you got me to watch the Zapruder film again. It's pretty clear that what you saw as being a pistol is the sun's reflection off the hair of the guy in the passenger side front seat (remember Brylcreem?) Supposedly, Jackie was trying to retrieve a piece of Kennedy's skull from atop the vehicle's trunk.

 

[gaiusmarius]

please stay in the parameters this thread was created

you can't just wildly shout about everything wildly jumping from one complicated moment in history to another without going into any depth, without looking like a mad man.

anyway i repeat this thread is about the Snowden leaks and privacy in general. i don't mind some wandering in the discussion, but it has to come back to the main point somehow.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

If you think I'm talking bullshit, just think about Princess Diana. PERFECT... CLASSIC Illuminati assassination. Don't believe me?

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA5Ha42aiTA

Sorry, I only got two and a half minutes into the film but turned it off after hearing about how the royal family is from a long reptile-human hybrid bloodline. Why do you need the Illuminati and lizard people to explain things when Diana had openly criticized her country's use of landmines and was about to go public with her feelings about the Palestinian issue?

If you want conspiracy, well the best way to discredit people trying to reveal the truth is to associate them with a bunch of nonsense hocus pocus.

1) Snowden is STILL an agent of the CIA (nobody ever once in gets out alive, just like the Mafia);

Snowden was never a CIA agent. He was a mid level employee of a company doing contract work for the NSA.


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[gaiusmarius]

Check out the latest Guardian coverage re Snowden Leaks

Check out the latest Guardian coverage re Snowden Leaks

As Europe erupts over US spying, NSA chief says government must stop media

With General Alexander calling for NSA reporting to be halted, US and UK credibility as guardians of press freedom is crushed

The most under-discussed aspect of the NSA story has long been its international scope. That all changed this week as both Germany and France exploded with anger over new revelations about pervasive NSA surveillance on their population and democratically elected leaders.

As was true for Brazil previously, reports about surveillance aimed at leaders are receiving most of the media attention, but what really originally drove the story there were revelations that the NSA is bulk-spying on millions and millions of innocent citizens in all of those nations. The favorite cry of US government apologists -–everyone spies! – falls impotent in the face of this sort of ubiquitous, suspicionless spying that is the sole province of the US and its four English-speaking surveillance allies (the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand).

There are three points worth making about these latest developments.

• First, note how leaders such as Chancellor Angela Merkel reacted with basic indifference when it was revealed months ago that the NSA was bulk-spying on all German citizens, but suddenly found her indignation only when it turned out that she personally was also targeted. That reaction gives potent insight into the true mindset of many western leaders.

read the full piece here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/25/europe-erupts-nsa-spying-chief-government

 

[gaiusmarius]

David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks

Prime minister alludes to courts and D notices and singles out the Guardian over coverage of Edward Snowden saga

David Cameron has called on the Guardian and other newspapers to show "social responsibility" in the reporting of the leaked NSA files to avoid high court injunctions or the use of D notices to prevent the publication of information that could damage national security.

In a statement to MPs on Monday about last week's European summit in Brussels, where he warned of the dangers of a "lah-di-dah, airy-fairy view" about the dangers of leaks, the prime minister said his preference was to talk to newspapers rather than resort to the courts. But he said it would be difficult to avoid acting if newspapers declined to heed government advice.

The prime minister issued the warning after the Tory MP Julian Smith quoted a report in Monday's edition of the Sun that said Britain's intelligence agencies believed details from the NSA files leaked by the US whistleblower Edward Snowden had hampered their work.

The Sun quoted a "top surveillance source" as saying that terrorists had "gone quiet" after the publication of details about NSA and GCHQ operations.

the rest here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/28/david-cameron-nsa-threat-newspapers-guardian-snowden

 

[MrDanky]

Its amazing to me that they think they can cover this shit up... there is NO covering this up... silly NSA/GCHQ...

It is also amazing to me that they actually believe laws will prevent the NSA and GCHQ from operating the way the do... when have they ever stopped them in the past?

It is apparent that computer science has evolved at a much higher rate then most politicians could even begin to fathom...

The only way this is going to end is when the NSA and GCHQ are completely disbanded...

OR, there need to be more laws giving private companies protection from having to cooperate with these NSA and GCHQ thugs... these laws could give these private companies more leeway (and motivation) to create safeguards that would protect the privacy of their "customers"... right?


Most of the advanced world revolves completely around digital networks, and for the US to have such a grasp on it all is DANGEROUS....

what is to stop another (pissed off) country (or even a pissed off NSA employee stationed in another country) from crushing our electrical grid rendering america to an apocalyptic state where everything would have to start from scratch? If the American power grid went out then the country would be extremely susceptible to takeover from an outside country... I am not sure our "alliances" would be too willing to step in and "save" us....

(no meth here S4L, just mother nature's weed coupled with what I believe to be great intuition)


p.s. damn i wish i would have taught myself how to be a hacker... right now the best hackers are running the world and will continue to do so until a smarter hacker with great intentions steps in and makes the lives hard or non-existent for hackers.... shits crazy... all the NSA and GCHQ is comprised of is hackers who have the ability to bypass all laws and get away with it whether they are traceable or not....


i wonder why the press hasn't gone after any NSA employees? Why haven't family members of NSA employees come out? There is some serious tyranny going on here...

 

[Hank Hemp]

Come on goat reptile/human blood line? And you kept watching that total Bull Shit?

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Yeah, the reptilian Royal IBL had become too inbred so they selected Diana as an out cross to bring in new human genetics and increase their vigor.

 

[MrDanky]

so the house intelligence committee questioned more liars affiliated with the NSA today.... it was supposedly a big deal..... my question is this - do people and politicians take these situations seriously anymore? im not so sure.... i think it is all part of the show.... nobody is going to stop the spying by talking about it and making laws thats for sure.... no words will help this problem.... here is a copy paste of some more info/links...

NSA chief says NATO allies shared phone records with the U.S. spy agency

By Ellen Nakashima and Karen DeYoung, Updated: Tuesday, October 29, 8:54 PM

The director of the National Security Agency on Tuesday dismissed as “completely false” reports that his agency swept up millions of phone records of European citizens, and he revealed that data collected by NATO allies were shared with the United States.

Gen. Keith Alexander said foreign intelligence services collected phone records in war zones and other areas outside their borders and provided them to the spy agency — an operation that was misunderstood by French and Spanish newspapers that reported that the NSA was conducting surveillance in their countries.

“This is not information that we collected on European citizens,” Alexander told the House Intelligence Committee. “It represents information that we and our NATO allies have collected in defense of our countries and in support of military operations.”

Alexander made the comments in response to questions from the panel’s chairman, Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), about reports that the NSA collected more than 70 million French phone records in a one-month period late last year and early this year and intercepted more than 60 million phone calls in Spain during the same time frame.

The reports, based on revelations by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, stirred public anger and prompted a diplomatic protest from France.

Apparently referring to a slide outlining the information, Alexander said the leaker and reporters “did not understand what they were looking at.” The sources of the data on the slide included information the NSA collected under its various authorities, as well as data that foreign partners provided to the agency, he said.

Separately, several current and former officials on Tuesday described a 2008 incident in which Germany’s BND intelligence service inadvertently turned over a list of 300 phone numbers of U.S. citizens and residents, raising suspicion that Germany was conducting surveillance here. Germany and the United states also cooperate on intelligence matters, officials said.

The disclosure apparently was intended to deflect some of the criticism Washington has faced over revelations that the NSA had for years tapped the cellphone of German Chancellor Angela Mer*kel, which set off a furor last week.

The German Embassy in Washington declined to comment.

Alexander appeared alongside Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. and two other top administration officials at a hearing called to discuss reforms to NSA surveillance programs that were overtaken by the allegations of spying against European allies and debate about the proper scope of such surveillance.

The French and Spanish intelligence agencies have had extensive, long-running programs to share millions of phone records with the United States for counterterrorism and defense purposes, according to current and former officials familiar with the effort.

The information was not phone call content but records of phone calls or “metadata’’ collected “by French intelligence agencies and provided to us,” said a senior Obama administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters. “We share information with many countries.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...e9c250-40b7-11e3-a751-f032898f2dbc_story.html


NSA spying riles allies and rivals alike: Opinionline

Volker Wagener, DW (Germany): "Germany has many reasons to be grateful to the United States. Among other things, it helped bring democracy to our country: We certainly didn't fight for this ourselves. ... We have almost always stood alongside our big American brother, hardly ever daring to criticize. ... The current surveillance scandal is an opportunity to make a clearer break. Berlin's reaction to the surveillance allegations should be substantial in both word and deed.. ... If, 70 years after the war and 23 years after German unification, the United States still behaves like a (digital) occupying power, then it's about time we questioned the friendship."

China Daily, editorial: "Countries like China and Russia, who may fall in the category of American 'rivals,' can only imagine the extent of U.S. eavesdropping. ... The White House says it is reviewing U.S. intelligence-gathering practices so as to 'properly balance' legitimate security concerns and privacy expectations. But such a balance is out of the question, because U.S. security concerns, real or otherwise, always outweigh everything else."

Stuart Harrold, Pravda, Russia: "Do you think they can even tell the truth in America anymore? It doesn't seem right to punish Edward Snowden for what the president didn't know, and for moving Congress. You know what is next? Foreign leaders will thank Snowden in the long run. And the United States? We will have to see. Definitely President Obama and the NSA are wrong. ... If you didn't know about that one, Obama, what else don't you know? All of you owe Snowden an apology, and more and more people are becoming grateful to him."

Amir Oren, Haaretz, Israel: "(Benjamin Netanyahu) cannot possibly be less of a concern to Obama than (Angela) Merkel is — she is Europe's de facto leader, but she isn't capable of igniting the entire world. If the White House is monitoring two dozen or so international leaders, it's unreasonable to think the prime minister of Israel isn't on the list. ... The main objective is to head off an Israeli surprise attack on Iran. When Netanyahu knows that Obama knows, and will act to stop him, it eliminates the chance of rash military action. And for that we owe thanks to both the attentive Obama and to Merkel, the sacrificial surveillance victim."

The Hindu, editorial: "If America has been able to sustain its virtual global hegemony for over half a century, it is in no small measure due to the cooperation that Washington, D.C., enjoys from governments abroad — whether dictatorial regimes or democracies. In its lack of hesitation in spying on its closest partners, America's self-image as the leading democracy championing individual freedoms has been severely dented. ... India should send a strong signal to the U.S. of its disapproval of these reprehensible tactics that ... violate the country's sovereignty."

Peter Galbraith, The Guardian, Britain: "But how serious is the invasion of privacy? The NSA can vacuum up huge quantities of data, but that doesn't mean it is useful. Most of us lead lives that are of no interest to any intelligence agency and, even for persons of interest, most conversations and e-mail are of no intelligence value. ... The system is in need of reform and the smaller, more agile European services may be a model. After all, espionage is not just about collecting secrets but also keeping them."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/29/nsa-spying-merkel-allies-obama-

 

[MrDanky]

turn on C-SPAN right now they are showing the house intelligence committee hearing


and it is TOTALLY scripted.... its one big BOGUS acting gig.... outrageous....


i am watching it and cannot believe this bullshit that is right in front of our faces....



alll in the name of "terrorism"................ sickening

 

[MrDanky]

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quit sleepin america

 

[Stoner4Life]

please stay in the parameters this thread was created

you can't just wildly shout about everything wildly jumping from one complicated moment in history to another without going into any depth, without looking like a mad man.

anyway i repeat this thread is about the Snowden leaks and privacy in general. i don't mind some wandering in the discussion, but it has to come back to the main point somehow.

my sentiments exactly!
NO more spaceships hiding in the shadow of the moon right?

so instead.......

Excellent points, everyone! Today I have only 2 points to bring up:

1) Snowden is STILL an agent of the CIA (nobody ever once in gets out alive, just like the Mafia);

2) If you really believe the UN & Zbignew Brezhinski are "good people," read this:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/letter-from-retired-army-general-al-cuppett/

Now ask yourself - just WHY is it we're seeing all the senior brass of the military suddenly being "retired" to bring in "new blood" at the Pentagon?

Oops!

More than 2 things.

Also, ask yourself WHY so many journalists are being assassinated (Michael Hastings & more) and WHY Glenn Greenwald lives in Brasil...

All this shit started with Kennedy assassination. I have a movie with original Zapruder film showing Kennedy hit in the throat from the grassy knoll after all security is pulled back & the SS man on the right of the limo goes "WTF?" questioning his orders. Still, he pulls back. After Kennedy is hit in the throat, the driver of the limo slows almost to a crawl, still in the "kill zone," and then turns with pistol in left hand and you can clearly see muzzle flash as he hits Kennedy in the right temple as he was slumping toward Jackie. Jackie thot she was next and was trying to climb outta the car...

Any of you wanna see, it, PM me before they take it down. It may already BE down.

Also have an interview with LBJ's mistress, detailing how this was planned 2 years in advance when Kennedy won the nomination. All was done & organized by HL Hunt at Clint Murchison's ranch outside Dallas... Among those present at a meeting the night before: Nixon, LBJ, GWHBush, Dallas Sheriff, Dallas Police Chief, HL Hunt (CIA assassin & leader of the Watergate burglars), very revealing film.

Also, Bill Hicks, fellow Texan, (the original Alex Jones) was killed because of his comedy routine... which included "back & to the left." Think people, 'back and to the left." Can't be the book depository. Inside, where tourists view the 'sniper's nest,' it's walled off with plexiglass, not so people don't touch stuff, but so they can't get close enuf to see out the window. Oswald would have had to be hanging onto the ledge by his toenails, suspended by groups of pigeons at his shoulders, to have made that shot... And it would have blown Kennedy's FACE off, not the other way around...

I have YEARS of accumulated stuff on this subject... But nobody gave a shit when I was talking about it in 1979...

After the GOM, I headed here. At least I can grow, smoke & relax. Better than having a shitfit every time a cop pulls up behind you and you realize your chances of dying that day have just gone up by 700%.

Soccer moms tazed 5 times for speeding & die by heart attack in front of the 5 little boys riding in her Suburban, in the street.

Bummer.

Cheers, y'all, from down South.

Shit, y'all got me on a rant... I got a nice prime rib 1" thick sitting here, with all the delicious crispy fat, grilled on my mini-parilla in the fireplace... and I'm thinking 'bout this thread.

If you think I'm talking bullshit, just think about Princess Diana. PERFECT... CLASSIC Illuminati assassination. Don't believe me?

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA5Ha42aiTA

Now, having seen what the US MSM whores have had to say, and having seen what the BBC has had to say (blame the papparazzi)... Can you say it's pure coincidence?

Most disgusting was Diana's brother's speech after she was murdered. Standing in front of his estate, fence spikes topped with Fleur de Lis... (study symbology).

Coincidence??? Not a chance.

Assassinations are allowed to happen. Witness Itshak Rubin, reviewing his army & security. The army actually stepped back and ONE OF THEM shot him. Bip, bap, chau!

Look into "The 27 Club" and Amy Winehouse's death, also Heath Ledger, David Carradine (he did NOT get overpowered by someone in his hotel room in Bangkok), Whitney Houston, etc. I have a book with over 32 pages of names, dates, facts of people "taken out & shut up" by the goobermint.

I thot I was the only one who cared, until I logged in here. Why is the rest of America still asleep?

really?

Yitzhak Rabin<--- spelled correctly
Airplane chemtrails
TAZED soccer moms
Illuminti assassinations
Assassinated jounalists
Princess Diana
Decorative Fences - fleur di lis! omg!
Amy Winehouse (so entrenched in politics)
The JFK assassination
DL Hunt's planning of the JFK assassination
Assassinated comedians
Back & to the left<--- most critical to Snowden
Remember, back & to the left.
Heath Ledger
David Carradine
The 27 Club (again critical to Snowden)
Whitney Houston

Have I left anything out?

oh, yeah, Snowden's in the CIA (he'll never get out alive!)


None of the list comes around to Snowden though does it? The list unto itself is facetious in consideration of the importance of the Snowden situation. I don't even have to reply to that list point by point to get my own sarcastic point across, do I? those 2 posts have no business in this thread.

this is not about my opinion versus Flying Goats opinions, not at all, but he is using this thread as a sounding board of 100% unfounded conspiracy theories; none, NONE of it relating to Snowden including his bogus token mention of him being a CIA agent <---- (nobody ever gets out alive, like the Mafia) right?

 

[Hydrosun]

That assassinated journalist was trying to break a Snowden related story.

Now his Mercedes blew up into a million pieces as he drove 30 or so mph. Welcome to the rabbit hole.

 

[gaiusmarius]

my sentiments exactly!
NO more spaceships hiding in the shadow of the moon right?

so instead.......





really?

Yitzhak Rabin<--- spelled correctly
Airplane chemtrails
TAZED soccer moms
Illuminti assassinations
Assassinated jounalists
Princess Diana
Decorative Fences - fleur di lis! omg!
Amy Winehouse (so entrenched in politics)
The JFK assassination
DL Hunt's planning of the JFK assassination
Assassinated comedians
Back & to the left<--- most critical to Snowden
Remember, back & to the left.
Heath Ledger
David Carradine
The 27 Club (again critical to Snowden)
Whitney Houston

Have I left anything out?

oh, yeah, Snowden's in the CIA (he'll never get out alive!)


None of the list comes around to Snowden though does it? The list unto itself is facetious in consideration of the importance of the Snowden situation. I don't even have to reply to that list point by point to get my own sarcastic point across, do I? those 2 posts have no business in this thread.

this is not about my opinion versus Flying Goats opinions, not at all, but he is using this thread as a sounding board of 100% unfounded conspiracy theories; none, NONE of it relating to Snowden including his bogus token mention of him being a CIA agent <---- (nobody ever gets out alive, like the Mafia) right?

roflmao, you didnt see all the 15 posts i binned before my post. if you think what i left was bad, i'm glad you didnt see what made me write that post in the first place, LOL....

btw those and other posts were why i posted that warning.

 

[juggo]

Hello,
Not trying to get off topic,but bloodlines were metioned. I was recently doing some blood types research,which led me to the rh {rhesis monkey proteins modified in positive blood} positive negative topic. Basiclly modified dna/rna. Could this be part of the nefarious plot against humanity? While visiting one sight said to be an online exchange for rh negative donors,I was hit with a ddos attack,and found the file in my registry as well,so be carefull.

peace,
juggo

 

[Stoner4Life]

roflmao, you didnt see all the 15 posts i binned before my post. if you think what i left was bad, i'm glad you didnt see what made me write that post in the first place, LOL....

btw those and other posts were why i posted that warning.

I'm fairly certain clean-up here's been a bitch, but could any 2 other posts be less relevant to the thread though? And yeah I saw plenty of crap, including my own reply to FG & his space ships.

 

[dddaver]

BTW, not to get too far off topic, but he's a she, man.

Back at the ranch, I was a little dumbfounded about that CIA director yesterday defending that tapping by saying the tapping of leader's is justified because the other countries do the same thing, so we are just doing what other countries do. First of all, BULLSHIT. Obummer's Blackberry is special and is the most secure Blackberry in the world. Secondly, what kind of logic is that? I always thought America led the way by having and displaying a higher moral standard. That Gitmo shit amazed me. It's the same thing here. Just switched around a little. The issue is not some stupid lawyer mumbo-jumbo about "not on American soil". The issue was that we Americans don't torture. Period. We have a higher standard. That logic seems to be the same that CIA chief is using, just switched up.

So he didn't have to bullshit. What is so wrong with saying, "We fucked-up, we can do better". Instead we hear just platitudes and excuses.

It's just a mess. The more fuck-ups that are brought to light, the more I understand why Snowden did what he did. He is actually more patriotic than most of those lying bastards.

 

[Hydrosun]

First of all, BULLSHIT. Obummer's Blackberry is special and is the most secure Blackberry in the world. Secondly, what kind of logic is that? I always thought America led the way by having and displaying a higher moral standard. That Gitmo shit amazed me. It's the same thing here. Just switched around a little. The issue is not some stupid lawyer mumbo-jumbo about "not on American soil". The issue was that we Americans don't torture. Period. We have a higher standard. That logic seems to be the same that CIA chief is using, just switched up.

So he didn't have to bullshit. What is so wrong with saying, "We fucked-up, we can do better". Instead we hear just platitudes and excuses.

It's just a mess. The more fuck-ups that are brought to light, the more I understand why Snowden did what he did. He is actually more patriotic than most of those lying bastards.

Thank you. I wish all my friends, family, and neighbours thought this way. Unfortunately I think 95% have their heads in the sand. Sad and scary....

 

[trichrider]

I understand why Snowden did what he did. He is actually more patriotic than most of those lying bastards.

second that.