Broad Mites?

[yerboyblue]

What is an IPM strategy? Thanks in advance

Intergrated Pest Management, there is a lot of info about it simply googling it, but basically it is a fancy way of saying to use multiple strategies and pesticides in rotation so pests are exposed to multiple types of treatments. It is a better way to eradicate or keep pests at bay than say, one or two treatments of the same chemical and a periodic environment change.

 

[yerboyblue]

I also want to chime in on the Kontos application. Don't believe the one and done statements, if it worked like that for those people, then great! I have been using Ultor, same active ingredient as Kontos and Movento, just 18% compared to 22%. I did a root soak 3 or 4 weeks ago to kill some other bugs, grain mites, just to be safe (soaked in a solution at 5ml per gallon, no damage to the plants at all, very easy stuff to work with).

About a week ago I found that some clones I took, still in the aero cloner but rooted, were heavily infested with broad mites. Other plants in the veg area seemed okay, but sure enough, they had broads, just not nearly as many. I think the root dunk and systematic nature of the Ultor (kontos) kept most of the mites at the untreated plants, but did not kill them all. I quickly did a foliar spray at 2ml per gallon, and followed up with another app at 3ml per gallon 4 days later. It is 2 days later (so 6 days from inital application) and I found a broad crawling. Plants are still healthy though. I may have messed up on application because I did not use a surfacant/spreader, although I drenched the hell out of the plants, top of leaves and bottom, and turned the lights off. The Ultor/Kontos is not a contact killer, it is meant to stop them from reproducing and kill some of the offspring. It needs to be used with other products either before or after application, like in a pesticide rotation. Hopefully the ones I am seeing are just sterile adults, enjoying their last days before their short life span ceases. I will be adding more of the Ultor next time I water as well, just for good measure.

Also, this stuff is pleasant to work with, I notice no problems after spraying it diluted at 3ml per gallon with nothing more than latex gloves on, even got a little in the eyes with no irritation. I don't know about what might happen several years down the line, but hell, live in the moment right?

And I know you may be wondering what I will follow up with as another spray as I am advocating pesticide rotation. I just followed up with Pylon at 1ml per gallon, no surfacant either. I don't believe it calls for it, the directions didn't mention it, or maybe I just missed it. The stuff seemed to dissolve incredibly well in water, almost like you don't have to stir it. This stuff also wasn't that bad to work with. I will let people know the results and if it damages the plants at all, especially so close to the application of Ultor. I also ordered some Avid, hopefully it will be here before my next spray in 3 or 4 days, if not I will be using Pylon again, assuming no damage, then followed by Avid. I ain't messing around with these things.

 

[yerboyblue]

Totally thought I had these fuckers under control, Forbid in veg, heat treatment for 60-90 minutes once a week in flower until week 5 has worked in all rooms and then WHAM, one room gets hit with it hard. Had to come back to this thread for more solutions and just ordered the Kontos. Please weed gods, let Kontos be the solution.
Does anyone know if the Forbid will affect OGBiowar effectiveness and if so, whats the best guess for how long you would have to wait after spraying forbid for it to be effective?

I am not familiar, or at least don't have experience with either product, but the OGBiowar should be compatible. Forbid claims to be compatible with other pesticides, including biological ones. Sometimes the inert ingredients in pesticides may contain some petroleum distallates which may impact the effectiveness though. I would do the Forbid app first then start the OGB 2 or 3 days later and keep in mind if you do anymore pesticides after that, it may hurt the OGB bacterias.

Open question on the Forbid, what rates did people use and did you notice any burn/damage to the plant? I am interested in the stuff but have heard a lot of stories of people frying plants.

 

[Storm Shadow]

I also want to chime in on the Kontos application. Don't believe the one and done statements, if it worked like that for those people, then great! I have been using Ultor, same active ingredient as Kontos and Movento, just 18% compared to 22%. I did a root soak 3 or 4 weeks ago to kill some other bugs, grain mites, just to be safe (soaked in a solution at 5ml per gallon, no damage to the plants at all, very easy stuff to work with).

About a week ago I found that some clones I took, still in the aero cloner but rooted, were heavily infested with broad mites. Other plants in the veg area seemed okay, but sure enough, they had broads, just not nearly as many. I think the root dunk and systematic nature of the Ultor (kontos) kept most of the mites at the untreated plants, but did not kill them all. I quickly did a foliar spray at 2ml per gallon, and followed up with another app at 3ml per gallon 4 days later. It is 2 days later (so 6 days from inital application) and I found a broad crawling. Plants are still healthy though. I may have messed up on application because I did not use a surfacant/spreader, although I drenched the hell out of the plants, top of leaves and bottom, and turned the lights off. The Ultor/Kontos is not a contact killer, it is meant to stop them from reproducing and kill some of the offspring. It needs to be used with other products either before or after application, like in a pesticide rotation. Hopefully the ones I am seeing are just sterile adults, enjoying their last days before their short life span ceases. I will be adding more of the Ultor next time I water as well, just for good measure.

Also, this stuff is pleasant to work with, I notice no problems after spraying it diluted at 3ml per gallon with nothing more than latex gloves on, even got a little in the eyes with no irritation. I don't know about what might happen several years down the line, but hell, live in the moment right?

And I know you may be wondering what I will follow up with as another spray as I am advocating pesticide rotation. I just followed up with Pylon at 1ml per gallon, no surfacant either. I don't believe it calls for it, the directions didn't mention it, or maybe I just missed it. The stuff seemed to dissolve incredibly well in water, almost like you don't have to stir it. This stuff also wasn't that bad to work with. I will let people know the results and if it damages the plants at all, especially so close to the application of Ultor. I also ordered some Avid, hopefully it will be here before my next spray in 3 or 4 days, if not I will be using Pylon again, assuming no damage, then followed by Avid. I ain't messing around with these things.

http://www.ohp.com/Labels_MSDS/PDF/kontos_label.pdf

Mites - If populations are heavy at the time of application, control may not be achieved rapidly enough to prevent economic damage to the plant. Make applications preventatively, or when populations are first detected use the higher dosage (3.4 fl oz of product). KONTOS will not control heavy populations of existing mites. If a second miticide application is necessary to achieve control, use a product with an alternative mode of action.​

Reading directions helps a lot ​

 

[yerboyblue]

http://www.ohp.com/Labels_MSDS/PDF/kontos_label.pdf

Mites - If populations are heavy at the time of application, control may not be achieved rapidly enough to prevent economic damage to the plant. Make applications preventatively, or when populations are first detected use the higher dosage (3.4 fl oz of product). KONTOS will not control heavy populations of existing mites. If a second miticide application is necessary to achieve control, use a product with an alternative mode of action.​

Reading directions helps a lot ​

I threw out the heavily infested clones before I even thought about starting a regimen. And I said the ones that were root soaked in Kontos seemed to have some resistance to the mites.

I'm not saying to not use it. I am saying more will have to be done. If people are noticing broad mite damage, then they have a high enough population already that one treatment of just Kontos will not eradicate them. It probably works better as a preventative than anything, although the label does say that as well.

 

[Gifted0ne]

It is my understanding that the fungus or bacteria in the mosquito dunks or similar is very natural and safe . It's use is actually to be put in "Standing water" lol, most other forms of pest management will warn against this as it will be toxic to the environment ...But personal research is always best google is your friend.

Hey this isnt really related to your post, but i sprayed down my plants with the foliar pack mixed directly into water and after the plants look to either have a white residue in spots, but it really looks like its powdery mildew.. Does this happen when you use it?

 

[Some old dude]

Talc powder

Talc powder

Hey this isnt really related to your post, but i sprayed down my plants with the foliar pack mixed directly into water and after the plants look to either have a white residue in spots, but it really looks like its powdery mildew.. Does this happen when you use it?

What your seeing is "Talc powder". The OGB uses "Talc powder" as a "carrier' for the fungus. This is normal .However if your using water straight from tap (That is usually heavily chlorinated) your probably killing most of the beneficial fungus spores in the OBG.So you need to use DE-clorinated water.This information is on the instructions and is located in this long topic.

 

[Some old dude]

Yup

Yup

this is in reply to retrogrow asking about aspirin (and the benefits to plants) a few threads back....chek this out!!!

http://www.plantea.com/plant-aspirin.htm

YUP...! I would add if your using new untested fem seed stock I would go a little lite on the aspirin like maybe half a dose until it's determined if you might get higher possibility of hermie. But I have seen good results with my SSH reg seed established strain. And a few seeds (not many) on some untested fem seed plants a couple grows ago when I was using pretty strong aspirin doses. So it was just an observation nothing conclusive.I will continue to use aspirin when trying new fem seed stock just at a lower doses if I believe the plants need a boost (I don't trust fem seed stock usually only use reg seeds) as a rule anyways.

 

[mojave green]

am i the only one that thinks the only viable solution to mites is removal and destruction of all plants and full room sterilization?

 

[Some old dude]

I've done it 4 U

I've done it 4 U

am i the only one that thinks the only viable solution to mites is removal and destruction of all plants and full room sterilization?

I have already done this twice in the last five years. Once about five years ago and again about three years ago. Start reading would be my advice. All the very best to ya.

 

[Avinash.miles]

am i the only one that thinks the only viable solution to mites is removal and destruction of all plants and full room sterilization?

only viable solution? no
a good idea if you don't need the crop? ya, but not the only solution. more like the "final solution"
I had to do this to fight my infestation with hemp russet mites... atho i waited till the end of my cycle, cleaned the room, fresh clones and i have been free of the various borgs since then.

and thanks to the mods for cleaning up this thread
peeps
the info in this thread is too important to muddle up with arguing and childish bullshit, please keep this thread info only, and read the entire thread before posting is always a good idea.

 

[ganja_hasi]

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the info in this thread is too important to muddle up with arguing and childish bullshit, please keep this thread info only, and read the entire thread before posting is always a good idea.

was about to write something similar, so I'll second what Avi said

 

[mojave green]

i've read the thread and mostly it sounds like people are polluting medicine with various methods of chemical warfare, in the name of money. i won't do it. if my grow becomes infested, out with everything. just my way.

 

[RetroGrow]

and read the entire thread before posting is always a good idea.

Agreed! What I have been saying all along.....

 

[oldmanriver1]

i feel the love comin back into this thread..

 

[headimonster]

i have no idea why my post got deleted, but some members get touchy when you mention their names, this is just info i found about using aspirin....other members on this thread asked what does aspirin do/....so here..

hope im not violating TOU lol

http://www.plantea.com/plant-aspirin.htm

 

[RetroGrow]

i have no idea why my post got deleted, but some members get touchy when you mention their names, this is just info i found about using aspirin....other members on this thread asked what does aspirin do/....so here..

hope im not violating TOU lol

http://www.plantea.com/plant-aspirin.htm

I gave you K+ for your post, but my reply to you was deleted. I have been talking about aspirin since way back in this thread, but was getting attacked/mocked for it by some. When you posted that I asked a question about aspirin, which I didn't, I initially thought, "here we go again, another troll". But I quickly corrected it and apologized when I saw the link you posted and realized there was some confusion on your part re: the question. I have been singing the praises of aspirin since the beginning of the thread, and I also posted the exact link that you re-posted after a quick Google search. I always keep aspirin in my rez. Check your rep and you will see it, unless they deleted that too. If you search "aspirin", you will see that I was the first person recommending it. I have been using it for years. It knocks back the broad mite poisons.
"you must spread some Reputation around before giving it to headimonster again"

 

[headimonster]

I gave you K+ for your post, but my reply to you was deleted. I have been talking about aspirin since way back in this thread, but was getting attacked/mocked for it by some. When you posted that I asked a question about aspirin, which I didn't, I initially thought, "here we go again, another troll". But I quickly corrected it and apologized when I saw the link you posted and realized there was some confusion on your part re: the question. I have been singing the praises of aspirin since the beginning of the thread, and I also posted the exact link that you re-posted after a quick Google search. I always keep aspirin in my rez. Check your rep and you will see it, unless they deleted that too. If you search "aspirin", you will see that I was the first person recommending it. I have been using it for years. It knocks back the broad mite poisons.
"you must spread some Reputation around before giving it to headimonster again"

lol - no worries brother!! i understand that - and i appreciate your heads up about the aspirin, because w/o ur comment i wouldve never looked it up, just stayed with superthrive...but this seems like the obvious choice!!!...esp. after seeing your Critical+ with broadmites and just aspirin...lol....

 

[Oliver Pantsoff]

Hats off to retro for hooking us up with the aspirin recommendation>>

OP

 

[Jahfreeze]

Kontos is all you need... Everything else is a waste of time


Everyone else is stroking their own ego... Kontos 1 and DONE

spend more time enjoying your life or becoming a better grower... less time stressing about pests... Kontos isn't a one trick pony..

No More Mites...Root Aphids...Gnats....White Flies.... 1ml a gallon

SYSTEMIC doesn't get any better...... KONTOS > Everything Else

Anyone who doubts this magic in a bottle should be ignored to the highest degree...

I have a question. Are you still having problems? Im sure youve rid yr grow by now so are you using kontos as ipm