im still guessing that from his thinking, cannabis plants do not exist.
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The true nature of our experience.
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If one assumes we're thinking it all up, then yes indeed they don't exist other then what our mind tells us them to be.
One can assume either way. S'all optional, never definite.
One can assume either way. S'all optional, never definite.
i never said any of what I write is fact.
what i have said is to look into your "own" direct experience - that is occuring now, and only now, - and clearly see if what I'm saying is true or not.
but, to actually see if it is true or not, you have to leave your beliefs and assumptions at the door, otherwise all you will see is your current beliefs and assumptions.
...what I'm describing can't be talked about logically, as you can see.
...it can "only" be directly experienced.
Following your line of thought, this would make you a 'God' who was bored alone in the Universe and had an urge to think up this game called 'conscience to apear out of mathematical logic'.
Can be, but while you were at it (as a God) you also designed the system on a way that it would trick ppl like Siftedunity in believing differently.
yes...that's what thoughts were designed for...lol
...in reality, this is one experience, and there is no distinction between Siftedunity and anyone or anything else.
this is what this experience occuring now is - an experience where everything is occuring simultaneously.
But I don't know how far you are right now with your experiments.
Once you understand things the way you seem to do right now, It can also bring you into a trance that could alienate you from who you were before. Once you're in that trance, things can also go very very wrong.^^
One thing I learned from a person I respect most of all, ma wife > Never become a fanatic!
...the truth or enlightenment is simply an awareness of who and what we really "are."
...this doesn't mean that I don't experience southflorida and what he seems to be doing, saying, etc...it's just that I'm aware that southflorida is an element of this one experience occuring now.
...i guess it is simply a different perspective
...and from one side nothing has changed, southflorida is still living as before, but from another side, everything has changed since I'm aware that I'm awareness, as is everything else that exists in this one experience.
i agree with you that staying open-minded is the optimum perspective, but being grounded is the other side of the coin.
balancing the two is what leads to true insight and true enlightenment.
...btw...always a pleasure to see u in the forums "offthehook"
he's only seeing a self-projected image of offthehook though a secondary perception through 'nerve endings', that has jolted southflorida with pleasure.
wait, what?
a secondary perception through 'nerve endings', that has jolted southflorida with pleasure.wait, what?
he's only seeing a self-projected image of offthehook though
wait, what?
Show compassion.
Consciousness without center or limits...
Consciousness without center or limits...
To explain it from another angle, what I'm trying to point at in this thread is this:
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Think of it, as if, there are two aspects of your "self."
The first, is who you really "are." This is your being, consciousness, awareness, etc...and it exists now, and always and only now. This is who you are originally, authentically, the primary thing that always "is." For consciousness there is no such thing as a past or a future, and no separate entities existing outside of it, or really even inside of it.
Consciousness is this "now" experience, it is whole, undivided, in other words it is NON-DUAL. This means that it is not even one, it is simply "is."
The second, is who you have been conditioned to believe and assume that you "are."
This is your false-egoic-self, and it is a snowball of concepts based on your memories of the past and your conceptual projections into the future. This self believes it exists in the body, most likely inside your head, and considers itself to be a separate entity from everything else that exists.
By definition this entity is isolated.
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Of course, in reality, there is no other aspect outside or inside of consciousness. There is only non-dual consciousness, awareness, that is simultaneously nothing and everything, and it exists only and always "now."
To actually grasp this you have to clearly notice and become aware that all there "is" - is this now-experience, it is the only thing that exists.
In fact, the truth is right in front of you, in your direct-experience.
All one has to do is open your awareness and put aside all the cultural programming (beliefs, assumptions, convictions, i.e. concepts) about you being a separate entity....AND....
ask one simple question with "brutal" honesty...
"in my actual experience - have I ever really been anywhere except here and now?"
not in your thoughts, but in your "actual" direct-experience!!!
...everyone knows the answer to this questions once they let go of fear and become completely honest with themselves.
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Think of it, as if, there are two aspects of your "self."
The first, is who you really "are." This is your being, consciousness, awareness, etc...and it exists now, and always and only now. This is who you are originally, authentically, the primary thing that always "is." For consciousness there is no such thing as a past or a future, and no separate entities existing outside of it, or really even inside of it.
Consciousness is this "now" experience, it is whole, undivided, in other words it is NON-DUAL. This means that it is not even one, it is simply "is."
The second, is who you have been conditioned to believe and assume that you "are."
This is your false-egoic-self, and it is a snowball of concepts based on your memories of the past and your conceptual projections into the future. This self believes it exists in the body, most likely inside your head, and considers itself to be a separate entity from everything else that exists.
By definition this entity is isolated.
===========================
Of course, in reality, there is no other aspect outside or inside of consciousness. There is only non-dual consciousness, awareness, that is simultaneously nothing and everything, and it exists only and always "now."
To actually grasp this you have to clearly notice and become aware that all there "is" - is this now-experience, it is the only thing that exists.
In fact, the truth is right in front of you, in your direct-experience.
All one has to do is open your awareness and put aside all the cultural programming (beliefs, assumptions, convictions, i.e. concepts) about you being a separate entity....AND....
ask one simple question with "brutal" honesty...
"in my actual experience - have I ever really been anywhere except here and now?"
not in your thoughts, but in your "actual" direct-experience!!!
...everyone knows the answer to this questions once they let go of fear and become completely honest with themselves.
Yawn.... Eh. Well thankyou for your opinion again south florida. Good luck with your ideas and beliefs. You may stop preaching now. It seems that not many share your views.
I dont have a problem with religion or peoples lifestyle choices as long as the dont try to force it on others. l not be posting on these silly threads again.
I dont have a problem with religion or peoples lifestyle choices as long as the dont try to force it on others. l not be posting on these silly threads again.
Btw.. If this is what you spend all your time thinking about, this is time wasted. Leave philosophy to the knowledgeable few, and find something else to do.
This thread has been a lot of fun, especially reading the folks that are convinced that their true nature is a body and a mind...lol
Everything that I can say about this topic is on the pages of this thread, and even though what I tried to point at can't really be explained using words...I tried my best
bye, bye and
Everything that I can say about this topic is on the pages of this thread, and even though what I tried to point at can't really be explained using words...I tried my best
bye, bye and
South - I gave up in this thread because you never once directly answered a single question I asked nor did you ever take the conversation in a forward direction...
All you did is continue the circle jerk - without ever once saying anything concrete. Talking to you is one of the most frustrating things - because you never really SAY anything - all you do is make generalized statements of thought that lead to blatant deep dark murky nothingness -
And for that reason...what is the point?!?
You have NEVER ONCE answer the simple question - What GOOD does it do to understand these things - HOW does it actually benefit a person to be more aware of the present - WHAT ultimately is the nature / fundamental existence of a consciousness - IF matter can be measured, what is it that actually CAUSES a body to live, breath, exist, if when immediately after death, before decay, ALL particles of matter are still EXACTLY the same, still present - nothing technically different, then WHAT causes a person to actually LIVE...
NONE of those things did you EVER address or attempt to answer - you just sat there and tugged on those who patted you on the back and contributed to your abject vagueness...
dank.Frank
All you did is continue the circle jerk - without ever once saying anything concrete. Talking to you is one of the most frustrating things - because you never really SAY anything - all you do is make generalized statements of thought that lead to blatant deep dark murky nothingness -
And for that reason...what is the point?!?
You have NEVER ONCE answer the simple question - What GOOD does it do to understand these things - HOW does it actually benefit a person to be more aware of the present - WHAT ultimately is the nature / fundamental existence of a consciousness - IF matter can be measured, what is it that actually CAUSES a body to live, breath, exist, if when immediately after death, before decay, ALL particles of matter are still EXACTLY the same, still present - nothing technically different, then WHAT causes a person to actually LIVE...
NONE of those things did you EVER address or attempt to answer - you just sat there and tugged on those who patted you on the back and contributed to your abject vagueness...
dank.Frank
being now presented in three dimensions...now, past, future.
you may never go back to the past, and you never get to the future, the only life you have consists of this very moment...no matter what you think.
if there were past and future beyond concept they would both certainly exist in the present moment...inside of your mind/persona.
gotta run...
you may never go back to the past, and you never get to the future, the only life you have consists of this very moment...no matter what you think.
if there were past and future beyond concept they would both certainly exist in the present moment...inside of your mind/persona.
gotta run...
Sure I understand that in the philosophical sense - and would agree with it - however, it does not mean the past doesn't EXIST...nor does it mean the future will never be...
All that is saying is - tomorrow may never come, make sure you live today to the fullest - and that is nothing new - it's cracker jack, fortune cookie hoop blah...
It does NOTHING to change the REALITY of the world. I can show you a building that is 100 years old, giving proof to the existence of a time before myself - so as I have said many times over...
Thinking about something a particular way, DOES NOT change REALITY - the reality is, time is a constant - and we are a part of it - the earth keeps spinning and accordingly the sun "rises" and "sets"...
If you want to get all caught up on a bunch of psycho babble terminology that makes one FEEL as if they have figure out something magnanimous, that is fine - but to spout it of as the ONLY truth and as if it some great revelation to the modern world and how ALL HUMANITY would be better if we thought this way or realized this - is just complete and total narcissism.
And yet further - THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS I presented....now does it?!?! It does NOTHING to further advance our understanding of what is - ie, if I punch you in the face - you bleed - and you know it will hurt tomorrow, and it will hurt the next day, which is a reminder of the past, and that it does in fact exist and play havoc on our current reality...
dank.Frank
All that is saying is - tomorrow may never come, make sure you live today to the fullest - and that is nothing new - it's cracker jack, fortune cookie hoop blah...
It does NOTHING to change the REALITY of the world. I can show you a building that is 100 years old, giving proof to the existence of a time before myself - so as I have said many times over...
Thinking about something a particular way, DOES NOT change REALITY - the reality is, time is a constant - and we are a part of it - the earth keeps spinning and accordingly the sun "rises" and "sets"...
If you want to get all caught up on a bunch of psycho babble terminology that makes one FEEL as if they have figure out something magnanimous, that is fine - but to spout it of as the ONLY truth and as if it some great revelation to the modern world and how ALL HUMANITY would be better if we thought this way or realized this - is just complete and total narcissism.
And yet further - THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS I presented....now does it?!?! It does NOTHING to further advance our understanding of what is - ie, if I punch you in the face - you bleed - and you know it will hurt tomorrow, and it will hurt the next day, which is a reminder of the past, and that it does in fact exist and play havoc on our current reality...
dank.Frank
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