"The Clear" Solventless hash from harborside

[Gray Wolf]

From what i can gather from the garble, he seems to be using a "doping solution" as an additive to enhance the extraction range of his process, it is probably remnants of that concoction that is effervescing?

Mine was extracted by Eden Labs, with no co-solvents.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Of the two picts. Eden Labs 9550psi supercritical extraction is bulky and waxy when product purity is concerned, low pressure co2 works best as compared to the picture on the left where I obtained crystalline structure at about 20 bar using co2 and DI water. That's a good example of how high psi dilutes the desired compounds of interest w ballast, and bulky yields more for profit than anything else.

The extraction was done around 3800 psi. 9550 extracts too much chlorophyll, etc.

 

[co2extractor]

The extraction was done around 3800 psi. 9550 extracts too much chlorophyll, etc.

Really, they told me no way for weed. Federal offense, bla blah blaw. So what was the yield like? That co2 residue left behind? They are from lehiegh university. Half scholar, half sales reps, what they charge you to process material? It was like $2,500 for 10lbs of bitter kola making it $16 an oz to process, which is a lot when your extracting 180 oz of it. 3800 psi is a small yield w no assisting solvents as they help the seperation and begin the absorbtion in the super/subcritical liquid and fluids. Asking co2 to do all the work should expect little returns. I would fear ballast more than chlorophyll as w no co solvent, at 100C and 680 bar co2 behaves very non polar. Not quite like acetone, but more like hexane.

 

[analogcricket]

so is it true co2 extractions yield less and the thc levels are lower than butane?

 

[co2extractor]

By itself it depends on how high the pressure and relevant temperature. It has the potential to be way more thorough per batch as you can never deplete the matrix of it's theoretical yield. Under the proper targeting, co2 is a monster. On its own its not quite the solvent I expect it to be. A waste of my time. The smallest amount of co-solvent forces co2 to focus there. So ethanol is the most ideal for several reasons such as taste preservation, food grade, slight residues aren't an issue, completely opposite polar solvent is where the help is needed. There is no penalty of diluting the end product. Only enhanced recoveries. They assist w the viscosity and now the biggest problem is ice plugs.

 

[co2extractor]

I worked w these stock brokers for bitter kola. They had been working w Eden 8 years for ginger extractions. After a few meetings w me they were disappointed in their previous samples and gereral understanding of what's really going on. So now Eden will be performing potency analysis but not know if it is their sample or mine they will be analyzing. I smashed in the potency department for sure.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You mention it is hard at room temperature? Yet you boil and vacuum the product, doesn't that decarboxylate the THCA into THC and make the oil more runny?
Anyone else have an opinion?
-SamS

I added no terpines to that clear extract. I targeted them specificly in minimal amounts of 1% hexane. Along w another1% ethanol and isobutane in 1% amounts of co2 as weight overall. But it was the diluting and use of activated charcoal brought to boil and vacuum filtered hot is why its so clear. I used a small column w diatomatious earth to filter the charcoal. Its usually followed up after winterization if needed.

Only terps from the weed where in there. Only activated charcoal and a tiny bit of diatomatous earth were used to obtain those results as was this. Solid at room temp and only stuck to itself. Not the bag, not my fingers,

 

[jump117]

Interesting how does pressure (and vacuum) affect on decarboxylation?

 

[co2extractor]

My oil is decarboxylated prior to extraction and always fully cured. What makes oil runny is its moisture content. I allow a <15% for best results. That moisture content evaporates quickly upon the hot Ti nail and helps promote vapor. If that was taken down and evaporated off completely, then it would be shatter when the moisture content was near zero. Getting to that point w out detroying the compounds w heat was also another issue. Time alone had taken it to that point perfectly, took about a month.

 

[jump117]

What makes oil runny is its moisture content.

I thought it is low THCa/THC ratio and residual solvent. Am I wrong?

 

[SoulSynergySoil]

I have good reason to believe clear concentrates is thc acetate, which is ironically made with numerous solvents Such as ether, acetone, hexane and other chemical solvents.

 

[dybert]

I have good reason to believe clear concentrates is thc acetate, which is ironically made with numerous solvents Such as ether, acetone, hexane and other chemical solvents.

I have what I would assume are better reasons to say that's false. But we're just two people with "reasons"

 

[SoulSynergySoil]

I have what I would assume are better reasons to say that's false. But we're just two people with "reasons"

Word, so you care to she'd further light on the issue? My mistake.

 

[dybert]

Word, so you care to she'd further light on the issue? My mistake.

Well, a lot of what they've let out, and what people have been speculating has been on the right track, from what I personally know.

This is going to sound like a COMPLETE copout and if you call bullshit, I honestly don't blame you. Corporate NDAs prevent me from saying anything further, but I do not believe any solvents, period, are used in the process.

 

[theJointedOne]

condensed vapor has always seemed like it would be quiet nice. I need to find a smart guy to make a vapor catching system

 

[FatherEarth]

Yea Im with you on that JO. I want terpenes individually packaged like Skunkman talks about. Mix and match, dip and dab. Blast off!

Let me know when you find the smart guy, Ill throw down with you.

Til Then,

FE

 

[Gray Wolf]

I have good reason to believe clear concentrates is thc acetate, which is ironically made with numerous solvents Such as ether, acetone, hexane and other chemical solvents.

I'm thinking that it is highly unlikely that it is an acetate. THC-O-A is actually done by boiling the oil in hexane, sulfuric acid, and acetic anhydride.

If they were making an acetate, they would be most likely shouting that to the roof tops and the comments about how well it works would most likely be different.

THC-O-A doesn't come on the same and the effects are different. You would hear more comments about color shifts, mental clarity, speed of arrival, etc.

THC-0-Acetate is also not as stable as THC phenol, so there would also be comments about a smell and taste of vinegar if it sits around too long.

I could also be wrong, but let me turn it around, and ask you why you think it is?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Please give me your thoughts on this:
Is it really true that oil is runny because of moisture content?
I thought it was because 100% THC with zero moisture and the THC will run.
100% THC is like a very thick epoxy glue, but it will run even after desication and being packed in dry nitrogen for preservation.
THCA does not run unless you leave in lots of terpenes, then it can be bendy.
I have dried out oil with THC that has been dcarboxylated it still runs even after months, just collect a bunch that has been dried in a pile and watch it run.
Anyone else have any experience on the issue?
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I thought so too....
-SamS

I thought it is low THCa/THC ratio and residual solvent. Am I wrong?

 

[SoulSynergySoil]

I thought so to....
-SamS

Agreed, I believe the reduced amount of carbon molecules via decarboxylation makes the end-product less rigid and more runny.

In terms of the clear concentrate-thc acetate connection, I was surely mistaken. A close friend is connected to the clear concentrate crew and she pointed me in the direction of a link to clear concentrates website that described thc-acetate. My apologies, and thanks for setting me straight Grey Wolf and crew. It's a blessing to have such an Allstar coalescence of experts on these forums.