gonzo`
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Sam - with regard to watering are you saying water has a positive or negative effect on overall potency? I can't quite make out what you're saying in this post?
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higher thc = higher potency?
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Sam - with regard to watering are you saying water has a positive or negative effect on overall potency? I can't quite make out what you're saying in this post?
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Carbon.Chains
It's really a detail, but I don't think simply any soil that grows good vegetables will grow potent cannabis... Different plants may require different inputs as said by yourself in:
And I wasn't implying that wine requires the same soil as cannabis... Rather than the subtleties of the wines taste is affected by its soil, just as the high of the cannabis plant.
Thanks for the other info anyway. Learned a lot from your posts on terpenes/cannabinoids too.
So it's complicated. Concentrates don't have as much of the terpenes in the essential oil of cannabis. The testing is probably more on the money when analyzing concentrates but when judging the raw herb there really is a lot more to it.
I would love that book Sam but I was always told by my mother, "don't believe everything you read". They still approved of reading a lot and given new developments in high CBD strains and such we are all interested in the possibilities of medical cannabis.
I have some wild theories...
I am into herbal treatments as a Naturopathic Therapist and like homeopathics it seems that it can be potentiated in strange ways. Do you know that a homeopathic med becomes more powerful the more times you shake it? You are somehow amplifying the vibration of the substance being used.
It seems unlikely all the flavors now found in strains of cannabis. The first time I smelled the bubblegum I thought, WTF! How did anyone make that happen?
In massage and body works we use intention and attention to cause the effect we seek. By my intention I can use my mind and hands to help another person in some way. In the way intended attention is given and these things do work.
Another wild theory is what I call "influenciation". It happens sometimes when a plant is close to another strain and their auras overlap. The dominant one can actually change the product or seeds of the other. Like blueberry tasting bubblgum buds.
I doubt testing quantifies the spiritual effects found in concentrates or raw herb. Testing is valuable however because it gives us something to work with other than our subjective observations.
The best intention is to learn and the best way to learn is to put your attention to it.
I would love that book Sam but I was always told by my mother, "don't believe everything you read". They still approved of reading a lot and given new developments in high CBD strains and such we are all interested in the possibilities of medical cannabis.
I have some wild theories...
I am into herbal treatments as a Naturopathic Therapist and like homeopathics it seems that it can be potentiated in strange ways. Do you know that a homeopathic med becomes more powerful the more times you shake it? You are somehow amplifying the vibration of the substance being used.
It seems unlikely all the flavors now found in strains of cannabis. The first time I smelled the bubblegum I thought, WTF! How did anyone make that happen?
In massage and body works we use intention and attention to cause the effect we seek. By my intention I can use my mind and hands to help another person in some way. In the way intended attention is given and these things do work.
Another wild theory is what I call "influenciation". It happens sometimes when a plant is close to another strain and their auras overlap. The dominant one can actually change the product or seeds of the other. Like blueberry tasting bubblgum buds.
I doubt testing quantifies the spiritual effects found in concentrates or raw herb. Testing is valuable however because it gives us something to work with other than our subjective observations.
The best intention is to learn and the best way to learn is to put your attention to it.
Very interesting. I've always preferred high grade bud to hash, even when the hash was made from the high grade. This could be a reason. I've always thought that there is something in the calyxes and bud leaf, but it never occurred that it could be the loss of terpenes in the resin. It could be something else about the mechanical manipulation of the resin glands, maybe oxidation, but this is an intriguing idea. Perhaps terpenes are the key. Notice I qualified this by using the terms "high grade" bud. So I still think some terpenes may have negative effects, for what I am looking for. This theory would also support my observation that I generally prefer hash to indica bud.
I have noticed this also.
Absolutely.
Nice post.
ThaiBliss
No problem Sam...always nice to tap your brain and learn something.
I know that Sam prefers his hash but I still prefer the raw herb. Sometimes I do add some bubble hash to my joints but I rarely just smoke hash. I like some indicas but most are just too couchy without enough psychoactive quality.
What I like best are Hybrids. I think Sam had something to do with Hybrids.
We all should appreciate your work kind sir. I wonder how many strains out there have some of your genetic roots? You must wonder when you hear of a new cross and when you taste a new strain, what is that? Does that taste familiar?
I have noticed with my Sour Bubble that it is a heavily oiled strain and although it is high in resin content that isn't the oil to which I refer. When burned you occasionally see a soot ball floating around the room. The paper on the joint gets a shiny ring or red oils that when lit throw clouds of yellow smoke so dense it chokes people.
I tell folks it will make them cough but we all still like it for the heavy headband type high along with the trippy and spiritual aspects we seek when getting wasted.
I'm pretty high right now but it's not just a certain dose of thc. You could get that from Marinol. It won't make your mind come alive like a good joint in the morning though.
It won't turn you into the Buddha...pure THC could give you a headache or even cause a seizure so don't think that's all there is too it. Bog
I know that Sam prefers his hash but I still prefer the raw herb. Sometimes I do add some bubble hash to my joints but I rarely just smoke hash. I like some indicas but most are just too couchy without enough psychoactive quality.
What I like best are Hybrids. I think Sam had something to do with Hybrids.
We all should appreciate your work kind sir. I wonder how many strains out there have some of your genetic roots? You must wonder when you hear of a new cross and when you taste a new strain, what is that? Does that taste familiar?
I have noticed with my Sour Bubble that it is a heavily oiled strain and although it is high in resin content that isn't the oil to which I refer. When burned you occasionally see a soot ball floating around the room. The paper on the joint gets a shiny ring or red oils that when lit throw clouds of yellow smoke so dense it chokes people.
I tell folks it will make them cough but we all still like it for the heavy headband type high along with the trippy and spiritual aspects we seek when getting wasted.
I'm pretty high right now but it's not just a certain dose of thc. You could get that from Marinol. It won't make your mind come alive like a good joint in the morning though.
It won't turn you into the Buddha...pure THC could give you a headache or even cause a seizure so don't think that's all there is too it. Bog
My dad grew in outdoors in eastern Washington in 1980. He put his plants out and a couple weeks later Mt St Helens erupted. He returned to his patch to find his plants partially buried in volcanic ash. He said that was his best year growing the plants got huge.
the hollow
Member
So, you're questioning this based on your own personal failure to get more than 20% sieved from the bud? That's not scientific at all. You and your "wider circle of 30 growers" sieved bud and failed to get 25% and that disproves "30 or so" labs around the world who use actual lab equipment in a controlled environment? lulz
What makes you think it's even possible to hit 25% by sieving? A bud test 25% THC and you think this means that you should get 25% from sieving? Seriously dude?
I just can't understand what you're trying to say. Your logic appears to be fundamentally flawed here. You're saying these labs are presenting inaccurate results that shouldn't be trusted. Yet, you base this all on a few sieving sessions you and your buddies did? That's supposed to be more accurate than lab testing? I'm sorry bro, but that's laughable.
Who is really presenting the inaccurate data here?
It's called experiment and result. I know that for most people here experiment and result does not belong to their version of science. Sigh.... However, I will look forward to hearing of anyone getting more than 20% sieved, and how they did it.
As I've already said several times, BTW. Didn't notice anyone jumping forward, did you?
If your "understanding" is that labs do sieving (in a controlled environment or otherwise), I think we can dispense with the conversation right here.
The "environment" is not controlled, that's the point, not as far as the nature of the sample is concerned. A lab will test what it's given. If that is a whole bush, fine. If it's "manicured" bud, fine. If manicured happens to mean only the best calyces, with everything else removed, down to the last microscopic bit of stalk, also fine. Pure kif, also fine.
But had you noticed that no-one specifies just what makes up this manicured bud? Thought not.
Oh dear. Once again from the top, kiddies.
No, I'm saying that 25% THC from our "manicured" LOL bud, would require, hm, around 40% from sieving. Minimum. Do try and keep up. This is because a trich is not just THC. Apart from any other cannabinoids, you still have to account for lipids, waxes, cell wall cellulose and other particulates. However, it seems that acknowledging the presence of these is not a part of stoner "science" either.
Evidently so.
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To recap: I would like to see an analysis of a trichome showing more than 60% THC by weight. I'd prefer non-desiccated please, most of us don't own industrial desiccators along with our bongs. If it is desiccated for the purposes of testing, please state what %age weight was lost in the process.
I would also like to see what percentage of the bud actually made up that sieve run. Unless it's more than 25%, then the upper limit of THC must be set somewhere around 0.25×60%, i.e. 15%.
And that's for pretty near damn perfect bud.
I was also willing to allow for cannabinoids outside of the trichome areas, but thankfully SamS put me right on that one.
This is my last post on the matter until someone - anyone - can present a believable analysis INCLUDING what %age THC was in the trichomes, what %age THC, if any, was in non-trichome plant matter, and a picture of the "manicured bud" tested. And it better not look like sieved heads!
I am more than willing to be proved wrong, but not through hand-waving, appeals to higher authority, or clique-ism. Since you're such a great fan of logic, I assume you know what those three are.
the hollow
Member
But, do you think that's because you're not making any sense?
When these guys get consistent results at various labs there appears to be standards that they're following. Otherwise, their results wouldn't be consistent. Yet, you're claiming it's all disorganized without any evidence to back it up. Where as the labs have plenty of evidence.
You keep talking about "stoner science." Yet, all you've done is make assumptions and presented them as ground breaking scientific revelations in THC testing. lulz
Okay. What is your point? A strain that test 25% is actually 15%? So what.
That strain that test 25% under current "flawed" methods of testing is still stronger and more potent than a strain that test lower using those same methods. Everything you're saying is irrelevant when it comes to comparing the potency of strains. Which, is the entire purpose of testing.
I guess I should've specified that it's not so much a lack of understanding in regards to your statement, more so a lack of understanding as to why you're making those statements when they're really not relevant, or significant in regards to comparing the THC levels of various strains. Guys who use 25% THC levels as a marketing gimmick will do precisely the same thing if that number is 15%. Do you honestly believe they won't? lulz
I get up to about twenty percent of my trim weight back in bubble hash. My sour bubble has tested at over thirty percent total resin weight so I don't expect more than about fifteen % but sometimes some extra kif gets into the bag making it look like more.
I don't want any pissing matches...just my two cents worth.. Bog
I don't want any pissing matches...just my two cents worth.
. Bog
WOW, MORE INSIGHT INTO CANNABIS SCIENCE...
FUNNY HOW YOU CLING TO YOUR BELIEFS WITH ZERO PROOF, YET DENY THE TRUTH BECAUSE NO ONE CAN NOT PROVE IT TO YOUR SATISFACTION...
-SamS
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sourpuss
Youve successfully ruined the name gert and lush??? Nuff said. Close your accouny and start fresh.
mingmen
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SmokeDaima
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I'm closing my account because you guys ruined my thread =). I already knew the answers to my question, I just wanted peoples opinion. I've had low thc, non frosty buds get me high as shiet and frosty, higher thc that is ok. Truth is, its all in the combination of psychoactive properties that give you the final effect. If you guys are still arguing about outdoors, and what the breeder says their thc level is, or what its lab tested at, please go ahead. 60% thc by weight lol, I want that.
Don't go away mad...
bluntmassa
Member
I'm happy with the good old fashion smoke test I damn sure don't believe breeders with thc % like greenhouse for one they got 20%+ on everything but they grow them out in them grow videos and test them and get nowhere near the advertised numbers.
But if it smokes great it is great who the fuck cares about a test? unless your breeding some cbd shit or something all I care about is taste smell then potency cause if it tastes great I'm gonna smoke more of it any damn way.
But if it smokes great it is great who the fuck cares about a test? unless your breeding some cbd shit or something all I care about is taste smell then potency cause if it tastes great I'm gonna smoke more of it any damn way.
