High CBD strains, gotta have em!

[gloriabiologics]

Forgot to mention, mysterious lineage Swiss Gold floating around in Santa Rosa, and an alleged VISC RX pheno or mutation or falsified history re-named Omrita RX3 that seems to show phenotypic spread, also floating around Santa Rosa.

My friend says orange peels on the Omrita, very light green plant. Swiss gold, darker foilage, more 'celery'. My friend once thought SG is a HQ inbred line, but is not so sure now. Lineage is a mystery, but source is traced to one Dr. Whitney via Mr. Lawrence Ringo is how these gained some exposure. They're out there.

I'm sure you know Stoxx, so I explain this for others, but you can use PCR based techniques to determine with very high certainty whether 2 plants are the same, whether 1 plant is an inbred line of another, and more broadly kinship.

The question would be if the benefit justifies the cost.

 

[Sativa Dragon]

Thanks

Thanks

It is worth keeping preserved.

That region has produced some interesting plants for us but we had to narrow our starting points.

If CBD is your goal, what you are looking for is a low or no-high, but high-resin plant.

The benefit versus Cannatonic is, you know the lineage as truth, and it is a Cannatonic-independent CBD line which is desirable for heterosis and bio-diversity considerations.

I am going to self the one I have now for some fem seeds and put them in the deep freeze for future projects.

Peace

 

[sourpuss]

What does cbd do? Honest im just ignorant.

 

[Madjag]

Here's the story on CBD:

http://projectcbd.org/

 

[Madjag]

Here is a scientific explanation about how CBD fights depression and inflammation, lessens pain perception, and helps sleep.

http://www.beyondthc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/CBDiary21.pdf

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You have no idea how many posters come and go with much the same claims, they are working with "technologies" that accelerate breeding for THCV, CBCV, CBD. Then they never show up with the finished work, are you the same? I am not saying you are but if it walks like a duck...
I guess the real difference is that others have already posted their breeding work in real scientific journal articles, see:
http://www.genetics.org/content/163/1/335.full.pdf
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-005-1164-8
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-008-9787-1
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-009-9894-7

de Meijer, EP, Bagatta, M, Carboni, A, Crucitti, P, Moliterni, VM, Ranalli, P, Mandolino, G (2003) The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. Genetics 163(1):
335-346.

de Meijer, EPM, Hammond, KM (2005) The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. (II): cannabigerol predominant plants. Euphytica 145: 189-198.

de Meijer, EPM, Hammond, KM, Micheler, M (2009a) The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. (III): variation in cannabichromene proportion.
Euphytica 165: 293-311.

de Meijer, EPM, Hammond, KM, Sutton, A (2009b) The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. (IV): cannabinoid-free plants. Euphytica 168: 95-112.

We are working with technologies that accelerate breeding for THCV, CBDV, and CBD, shortening the cycle by over 3 years. It is not trivial work.

For people working antiquated methods, such as selfing or back crossing, accusing those making progress in leaps and bounds with doubled haploid and artificial seed technology is much like tribes people with spears saying they understand gunpowder technology and calling incoming settlers with guns as idiot liars, that guns have not been made yet.

Again it is easy to say what you will be doing, maybe you will maybe you will not? It has been done 10 years ago by others as the papers above show....
It is more important to show what you have done, but maybe the methods you plan to use are so new they have no track record with Cannabis? When you do figure out how to make single Cannabinoid varieties, get back to us, until then it is all just pipe dreams, talk is cheap.
Someone who has been there, done that...
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

As for high CBD strains, wouldn't it be better to have CBD only strains, that way you can just blend it with any THC variety that has whatever terpenes that help, to any ratio for what you need? Do you need to have a CBD/THC ratio or is it because breeders were unable to breed high, above 10%, CBD only strains at least until very, very, recently?
I have done little work with CBD and terpenes because CBD does not get you high it really needs patients to do the work to determine which terpenes help or hinder CBD for specific uses. I do not have the health problems CBD helps so I can't tell which terpenes can help with CBD.
-SamS

 

[mexcurandero420]

Some terpenes don't combine with each other.It's well known in the aromatherapy that you can mix some essential oils with each other and some don't.

Keep on growing

 

[vapor]

As for high CBD strains, wouldn't it be better to have CBD only strains, that way you can just blend it with any THC variety that has whatever terpenes that help, to any ratio for what you need? Do you need to have a CBD/THC ratio or is it because breeders were unable to breed high, above 10%, CBD only strains at least until very, very, recently?
I have done little work with CBD and terpenes because CBD does not get you high it really needs patients to do the work to determine which terpenes help or hinder CBD for specific uses. I do not have the health problems CBD helps so I can't tell which terpenes can help with CBD.
-SamS

I have been mixing the seedsman haze nugs with the cannatonic nugs the last few daze and i love it, it helps with my spinal cord issues{not much does}, i have been mixing and smoking what strains i have finished with the cannatonic just so i get a idea. so far the haze is my fav mix as per effect.

 

[215 User]

CBD Triple play...

Tested & good to go!

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[CrazyKoala]

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[CrazyKoala]

As for high CBD strains, wouldn't it be better to have CBD only strains, that way you can just blend it with any THC variety that has whatever terpenes that help, to any ratio for what you need? Do you need to have a CBD/THC ratio or is it because breeders were unable to breed high, above 10%, CBD only strains at least until very, very, recently?
I have done little work with CBD and terpenes because CBD does not get you high it really needs patients to do the work to determine which terpenes help or hinder CBD for specific uses. I do not have the health problems CBD helps so I can't tell which terpenes can help with CBD.
-SamS

Agreed on the first point. But from an economics/demand standpoint CBD-only flowers are a financial risk. People who don't understand it slam it as not giving them a buzz. The education is just not up to par. So there are very few clubs and vendors offering it.

The popularity of the mixed pheno has to do with 1. It still gives a buzz, 2. There are synergistic pain-killing effects with THC and CBD, and 3. CBD seems to modulate the THC buzz making it less 'over-the-edge' and extending it in a friendlier way.

In terms of prevalence of CBD-only seed, it is non-existent commercially because researchers and seedbanks do not want to give away CBD-true-breeding genetics such that their work can be 'stolen' and made into 10-20 other new CBD-THC mixed-pheno strains with little effort. They feel they need compensation for their efforts to make future investments in research.

But in legal states, there are a handful of people working with high CBD (not over 4% but over 20-25% CBD) plants. R4 in Colorado is rather disappointing (in terms of terpene profile), but one of the parents is a CBD plant 'Creme'.

Jamaican Lion from the Northern California, one of its parents Mountain Lion, I understand is either a pure CBD plant or a mixed pheno. ACDC pretty common from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol to Napa, and is ruderalis (pure CBD) x Cannatonic (mixed pheno) (perhaps then back-crossed), but is not autoflowering. It is a wispy branchy plant that needs some structure work. Lions Tabernacle born in the Bay is held by very few too, though CC may have snatched that one and Jamaican Lion up and may commercialize it.

There is a Swiss Gold (or S1 perhaps) pheno that is ~10% CBD. My belief is it is inbred to some degree and that figure may jump up when outcrossed.

There is also a Johnnie Wonder whose parent I have been told is a pure CBD plant.

In Michigan, Cannotonic 4 and Cannotonic X and an unnamed Cannatonic S1 pure-CBD pheno are making their rounds. There are also those small timers in CA, CO, MI who have (HOD) Harlequin S1's that are pure CBD.

There is no technical difficulty in finding the CBD-only pheno, so the 'protection' methods of seedbanks (of only selling the mixed pheno and frequently fem only) are silly. All that it takes is selecting the high-trichome-density plants that have no buzz. Many people have it but are not letting on that they have it. It may be less than a year that 'better' flavors may come out in terms of CBD.

In terms of what terpenes will help, I think that depends on what conditions, but a linalool-heavy plant with CBD would be interesting. Mostly indica, CBD-THC mixed-pheno is interesting. If anyone wants to help, my idea has been DC x CBD (m) or CBD (reversed female), but the bay/bou don't feel safe right now. Medicine-man/White Rhino x CBD, or HJ x CBD are certainly interesting, and the latter may be in the works by a friend. As well, sbcool JOG x CBD, Urkel IBL x CBD, which hypothetically are under testing.

 

[Karmic Farmer]

There is another nice clone going around Michigan called CBDiesal. It is a selection of Dinafem's Diesal and has a 1:1 CBD/THC ratio testing at around 6% each. It has tested as high as 10% CBD to 9% THC from different growers in alternate environments. I have Cannatonic #4, Startonic, and CBDiesal, still looking for Cannatonic X though, hopefully it will make it into my stable soon.
All medical growers should have at least a couple differant high CBD clones in their collection with differant ratio's to THC in case family, friends, patients, or yourself should get sick and require them.

CBDiesal (photo courtesy of The Midwest's Best Garden Club)

Peace,
KF

 

[CrazyKoala]

There is another nice clone going around Michigan called CBDiesal. It is a selection of Dinafem's Diesal and has a 1:1 CBD/THC ratio testing at around 6% each. It has tested as high as 10% CBD to 9% THC from different growers in alternate environments. I have Cannatonic #4, Startonic, and CBDiesal, still looking for Cannatonic X though, hopefully it will make it into my stable soon.
All medical growers should have at least a couple differant high CBD clones in their collection with differant ratio's to THC in case family, friends, patients, or yourself should get sick and require them.

CBDiesal (photo courtesy of The Midwest's Best Garden Club)

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Peace,
KF

I believe CBDiesel is MTG gear of their reworked Diesel crossed with HQ.

But it may be a name that another breeder jumped on coincidentally.

Thanks for pics!

 

[CrazyKoala]

Whats the smell/taste on that pictured there?

The terpene profile variation of the CBD strains out there is unsatisfyingly lacking. We're looking to change that.

 

[Karmic Farmer]

I believe CBDiesel is MTG gear of their reworked Diesel crossed with HQ.

But it may be a name that another breeder jumped on coincidentally.

Thanks for pics!

This one is definately a Dinafem selection. There may be another clone out there named the same. It happens quite frequently by accident when there are so many different names today.


Peace,
KF

 

[Dope time]

R4
Harlequin

P98 BK 12.3+%
SensiStar 9%

 

[homebrew420]

Just got 3 R4 cuts, each a different seed sister. Suposedly one tested at 16%. I have my doubts but we will grow it out and test ourselves. I still have a hard time trusting the test levels from these facilities, here in CO

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Easy to do. terpenes and Cannabinoids can be in any relationship, meaning if you take a High THC great smelling terpene rich variety and make a cross to a high CBD poor terpene variety, then self the resulting F1 seeds to make a bunch of F2 seeds you will have some plants with high CBD with great smelling terpenes, it is real easy....
I did it years ago as an experiment.
-SamS

Whats the smell/taste on that pictured there?

The terpene profile variation of the CBD strains out there is unsatisfyingly lacking. We're looking to change that.