Anyone else seen this yet (Oil in canned butane)

[SkyHighLer]

I hope you don't mind if I try again,

I divide the ppm results from the analysis by 319.5 grams (71 cans times 4.5g equals 319.5 grams) to get diluted ppm figures. For instance, cyclohexene shown with 1198.4 ppm would be at 3.75 ppm in my BHO. Your residual would be at approximately half that (2.1 ppm) since you get more (8 grams instead of 4.5 grams) BHO per can.

The ppms of the sample sent for analysis is a proportion, the only adjustment necessary is for dilution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts_per_million

The weight of the residue collected to the weight of the final product is one thing I missed, sorry.

1198.4 ppm is 1198.4g cyclohexene/1,000,000g = x/.158g, where .158g is the total weight of the residue and x is the weight of cyclohexene in the .158g collection sample which I'm assuming is the entire mass of the residue collected. x = .000189347g

.000189347g/319.5g = .000000592g of cyclohexene per gram of my oil, or 592 ppb
(where 319.5g is the amount of BHO I'd get at 71 cans times 4.5g per can)

Maybe this time...

HMK, I don't see benzamide at 2981.5 ppm on the analysis print out...

2981.5/1,000,000 = x/.158 x = .000471077g of benzamide in the total residue sample.

.000471077g/319.5g = .000001474g of benzamide in each gram of my oil, or 1.474 ppm

If you divide the .000471077g by 568g (71 cans times 8 grams) you get .000000829g of benzamide in each gram of Graywolf's BHO, or .829 ppm, as he said a few posts back...

I'm sorry, but Graywolf confused me with this, "The first thing to keep in perspective, is that the total oil was 12 ppm from 21.3 liters, so the PPM in the study should be divided by 1,000,000 and multiplied by .000,012, to get the concentration.

That concentration number X 1,000,000 will give you parts per millionth."

so I tried figuring it out on my own.....

 

[weadbelly]

How about this formula? mass of butane residual in one can lucienne/mass of residual after passing across extractable, multiplied by the initial concentration in PPM determined by GW in the butane residual equals the final concentration in the total extracted assuming no retention by the extractable.

2.226 mg mystery oil (300ml can lucienne)/ (X) mg of extracted concrete (8000 mg in GW example) equals the dilution factor, .00027825, which when multiplied by the PPM of a contaminant, 2981 ppm benzamide for instance, equals the final concentration of .8296 ppm in the final concrete

Thus higher yields equals greater dilution, 8 gm/can is about a 3600 fold dilution, 5 gm/can is a 2200 fold dilution

 

[SkyHighLer]

"2.226 mg mystery oil (300ml can lucienne)/ (X) mg of extracted concrete (8000 mg in GW example) equals the dilution factor, .00027825, which when multiplied by the PPM of a contaminant, 2981 ppm benzamide for instance, equals the final concentration of .8296 ppm in the final concrete"

Sweet!

 

[Gray Wolf]

The cold trap I built. Slightly different than the print, but I used an existing lid. The 1 1/2" X 12" filter section isn't shown, but clamps on the center tri-clamp spool.

 

[weadbelly]

Hi GW, thanks for the cold trap design! Do you think that when you get a chance you could scan the left side of the lab result document and any additional pages?

just trying to determine whether there is anything all that harmful at 2-3K fold dilution in the finished concrete,

Thanks!

Have a great time at the fest this weekend!

 

[midwestHIGHS]

damn that's a pretty gnarly list.... thanks for all you do gw!

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

"2.226 mg mystery oil (300ml can lucienne)/ (X) mg of extracted concrete (8000 mg in GW example) equals the dilution factor, .00027825, which when multiplied by the PPM of a contaminant, 2981 ppm benzamide for instance, equals the final concentration of .8296 ppm in the final concrete"

Sweet!

its odd, the new sheet he posted shows the benzenamide listed in ppb, at 2981.5 ug/kg. hope thats true.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hi GW, thanks for the cold trap design! Do you think that when you get a chance you could scan the left side of the lab result document and any additional pages?

just trying to determine whether there is anything all that harmful at 2-3K fold dilution in the finished concrete,

Thanks!

Have a great time at the fest this weekend!

You're welcome! This from a hotel computer, with a undersize standard keyboard, so I will keep this short. I normally use an ergonomic keyboard and this minature version of a standard one, sucks.

I'll look at the left side when I get back, but it won't be improved much, because the original is a poor copy. I'll see if it can be darkened using the copier, before I scan it.

I not, I'll ask Marty if he can send me a more legible copy.

The rest of the accompanying paperwork is about a half an inch thick, so posting the whole thing would not be practical. I can post individual pages of interest.

There is a second summary page, not seqeuentially numbered, that is different units, and I ASS-umed the constitutes were in the cover summary page, but now notice it is not, and will post it tomorrow morning, after I get home.

Had a great time so far at the fest, wish ya'll were here. I was honored this year to serve as one of the Seattle Cup judges on concentrates, so had the pleasure to tasting the finest that the state of Washington has to offer.

I was also impressed by both the quality of the material submitted, as well as the judging. I would be proud to claim about 19 of the 31 entries as my own, and the judges were seasoned enough, that when the individual blind scores were tallied, first and second places were a done deal, and only third place required a second round of testing and voting.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Here is another maximum quality copy, which is also poor, so I will hit Marty up for a more legible copy.

In checking the units again, the second list is in ug/Kg, or Parts Per Billion, while the first is Parts Per Million. I misinterpreted the PPB on the first pass, so the good news is that my calculations are 1000 times too high for Benzenamine 3,5.

On a high note, I just received the cost of the in depth GC & MS analysis as a donation from Skyhighler, so please give the lad a hearty round of applause for sharing the pain.

Whoooop, Whoop, awhoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

that's great news on the miscalculation man

don't usually get to say that

 

[Gray Wolf]

One other side note, all of the above was easily removed using fractional distillation under vacuum at 85F.

15 PPM contamination, represents 99.999985% purity level, while Instrument Grade and Research grade n-Butane or Propane are only certified to 99.95 & 99.99% purity.

 

[weadbelly]

Which is to say that after recovery with a closed-loop system and discarding the residual, you are left with a gas that when completely evaporated a second time, will now leave no residue?

Seems like someone should be selling cans that have this last purification step included

Sorry to ask you to spell it out for me...

Thank you Skyhighler!

 

[SkyHighLer]

NP, sure got my money's worth! Thanks GW!!!
If the Gasone/Iwatani 'butane fuel' he has coming indeed has no added ethanethiol odorant, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanethiol I'll cover the cost of full GC-MS testing on it's mystery oil also.

I wonder if there's any actual regulation against canning pure n-butane without mercaptan/odorant that would have no other popular use than as an extraction solvent?

 

[KonradZuse]

I tihnk I'm done with BHO now.


I'm all about my health, and now that this shit is going I cannot even take hits without being paranoid. Back to bud for me.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

sorry about that bud. we will miss you

 

[KonradZuse]

IT's all good, I just need to get a MKIII and a better source for meds, I cannot trust oil that I'm not making, even though I know the person who I get it from, they don't have a system either.


On another note... Anyone want to buy a kut rig?

 

[mda232]

i feel ya konrad, it's extremely difficult to find trustworthy bho if you can't make your own now.

 

[KonradZuse]

Yeah, I know who I get it from, but I'm not too happy with the quality of product. Not to sure if it's trim oil or what, but I rather do my own shit.

Besides lately vaping has been way more enjoyable when I can hold a hit for 20 seconds and not cough whereas 5-10 seconds of bho will make me rage cough..

I don't like the fact I cannot enjoy a hit because it's soo harsh that I have to exhale it right away and feel like dying.

It just seems that if you don't winterize you're going to get all this extra plant waxes and crap you don't want, and if you do winterize I hear it tastes horrible.

Hell, I've coughed soo hard that I knocked my c1 out THREE TIMES... Shit was the worst feeling in the world... Chiropractor FTW on that one.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

ya i dunno, do you smoke cigs or something? the only people i know who cough bad on oil hits are smokers of tobacco too. i hardly cough at all, its pretty rare. have to be sick or something typically.

 

[KonradZuse]

Nope, I'm about my health, if I pass by someone smoking and I smell it I want to throw up.


It seems a lot of it might have to do with getting it too hot, since I just got a domeless nail it happens a lot with that... Either too hot or too cold, they kind of suck.

I do find I still cough a lot, and like others have said they get the "I cannot breathe" type feeling in the lungs.

Which is why others have said winterizing the oil seems to work well.

It might be because of trim oil too... Who knows...

I will just go back to making it myself, knowing what is in it and knowing what process it's gone through,