Who has grown a good white rhino lately?

[Red Fang]

exactly willyweed! I too hear like everyone is complaining about almost everything and everyone. Either they have access to bud beamed down from aliens who have been breeding it for millions of years and it is so superior (or they are the only holders of some super elite clone or similar bs) or everyone is way too fussy (which they are regardless, let's face it, what was fine 15 years ago is suddenly junk even though it's far from that), or things are not as they appear. The true answer is what I seek as well. Good luck finding the truth today though!

 

[willyweed]

do not even get me started on how money driven this industry has become lately ,and all the hype that goes with it,and being honest the usa also do the hype the best or worst too depending on your point of view! good luck finding what you are looking ,and just remember we have probably changed more than the plants in the last 20 years ish !

 

[Red Fang]

the reason probably being that nirvana sell f2's of some of the old dutch genetics which were at their golden age for example white rhino, ak47 etc.. the genetics are close to what they once were being f2's.

f2's show more diversity, ie a wider range of pheno's than the original. Granted, if you grow many of these you will strike gold but the odds of that in a single pack should be pretty low. But, I don't doubt that any 1 person had good results with this or bad results with that, but either a well-known established decades long breeder is selling bird seed and those that are not breeders are producing awesome seed, or common sense leads to other conclusions and something is wrong with this whole picture when you see no praise for the established breeder.

on the other hand the old dutch companies with shanti included, sells the same strains (renamed) but the genetic parents are most likely not even close to the originals.

that would be the gh version of things, that he was only waterboy and all that. my vast research suggest the opposite, that he has the originals and they don't. It's a war of words and I don't pretend to know the real answer. I know shanti has answered in the past (although not my latest pm) when I have a question and is willing to give people breaks. The only other dutch breeders that ever responded to me were Serious and Paradise (exact names escape me now, but Arjan did not respond to several inquiries). If I were willing to put trust in anyone, it would be shanti.

you can call out people and say whatever, why would people really waste their time trolling on a breeder unless they have had a bad experience?? whats to be gained??

Nothing! By the average person that is, but how do we know these are not paid employees posing as average growers?

no offense I know shanti still sells decent seeds, I like the white widow etc, they still look good. but the old dutch breeders are behind in the game now days. theres much better coming from the states. imo.

That is a matter of opinion and I am interested in yours. It is the opinion of others that old school stuff rules and has it all over modern stuff. I am neither old or new school, more like mid school and still trying to form an opinion of my own but what limited experience I have shows that MNS may have possibilities. I am not exclusively an MNS grower by any means and would like to hear what you have had luck with. This is not the place though. I feel bad enough arguing my point in a thread that is supposed to be devoted to finding White Rhino as the thread starter feels it was like in the early 2000's. I did not have it then so I do not know what comes closest to that. I am just saying don't close your mind to any possibilities.

red fang you have a good "point".. but I didn't mean to knock the whole strain, or shanti, just saying it wasn't what I remember as rhino.. but I bought med man for myself to see! I grew nirvanas rhino cause all the good reviews.. grew it few years later and it turned solid purple? but with seeds you never know what your gonna get! mix-ups, cross pollination, loss of mothers, ect.. The shits endless..

True, fair enough we both have points. I hope you find what you seek and if you have more med man, especially from a different pack, I would like to hear the results.

do not even get me started on how money driven this industry has become lately ,and all the hype that goes with it,and being honest the usa also do the hype the best or worst too depending on your point of view! good luck finding what you are looking ,and just remember we have probably changed more than the plants in the last 20 years ish !

yes exactly! There seems to be 10,000 seed vendors with 100,000 breeders offering 1 million strains and they are all supposedly the best in someone's opinion and the worst in another person's opinion. I spent too much trying to run down the pot of gold at the end of rainbows and now I am broke, and hope the real truth comes out somewhere somehow but I know it has a fairy tale's chance of coming true.

 

[Lammy]

not dissing shanti? yet you admit it could have been a mix up and yet you still knock the whole strain and not just your supposed Med man. In all fairness, I have had better and I have had worse, but far more on the worse end of the spectrum than better. Also in all fairness, it seems real or not most of the complaints about MNS gear are about Med man. I have it, I will grow it again someday and see if my past results were an anomaly or the norm. I know there was a split between neville and shanti, and before that a split between arjan and shanti, and I think the opposition has shills that go around everywhere including MNS and engage in a smear campaign for personal interest and not based on any fact. I know I was very pleased with the seeds I did grow from MNS and am currently trying some shark shock and will try many others I have. I am no shanti cheerleeder and will be honest and report what I see. What I do see is you and others praising nirvana while also admitting their quality went downhill "therefore making my point not too pointy"... well I don't think your point is too "pointy" either fwiw but we'll see. What I have grown from nirvana has been good for the money but nothing stellar and not better than the med man I had. Anyway good luck on your quest and I hope you find what you are looking for! peace

for some reason a bunch of shanties followers always think everybody is out to get him.

grand delusions of persecution.

they won't let people have an honest discussion about MNS. I've got a bunch of his beans and I like some of what I've grown.

I grew out a few medicine man and did not care for any of them. I believe I gave up on them around week 8 and they would have taken a lot longer to become anything.

a friend of mine had a cut of white rhino from nirvana that was pretty good. it seems to be mainly Northern Lights 5.

 

[Red Fang]

for some reason a bunch of shanties followers always think everybody is out to get him.

grand delusions of persecution.

they won't let people have an honest discussion about MNS. I've got a bunch of his beans and I like some of what I've grown.

I grew out a few medicine man and did not care for any of them. I believe I gave up on them around week 8 and they would have taken a lot longer to become anything.

a friend of mine had a cut of white rhino from nirvana that was pretty good. it seems to be mainly Northern Lights 5.

yeah how is it mostly nl5 when that is not even close to part of the supposed genetic makeup of white rhino/med man. I don't doubt whatever you had was pretty good. what I did of the med man was at least mostly pretty good as well with 1 or 2 really nice. I have had limited experience so the verdict is still out. But what I have seen so far leaves room for possibilities for sure at the very least. everybody out to get him and grand delusions of persecutions? no that's just me! Kidding but somewhat serious at the same time, I do have those feelings/issues but do not feel I am a follower or have anything to prove or disprove but yet I do when I hear all this, simply because I am curious and have to find out for myself. But I am no one's follower. I realize some are and may not be lmpartial but I will be. But like that other guy that offered what he heard from MNS, I have studied it all. I know there was a wave of people there dissing the gear and some or all of that had to with tensions with past partners or shills but who knows some may have been real too. People were banned and were bitter and went elsewhere with agendas. were they right or wrong who knows? But I have seen plenty of favorable reports and little on the other side to offer real proof of inadequecy, just talk no hard info or pics or anything. But I do not rule anything in or out. Do not confuse me with others. thanks

 

[Lammy]

no offense or anything but nobody is going around talking crap about MNS just for the heck of it or the put them in the ground. I stopped using shanties website because people were harassing me so much after I said my ortega came out smelling like onions. I wasn't even complaining about the onion smell I just don't personally care for it. but after I made that comment everybody started harassing me talking like you are. that I'm out there for money to force shanties babies into prostitution or what not. several people accused me of making up that information simply to hurt his business. other people said that they thought I was telling the truth but that I should not say that in a public setting because saying that I got onion smelling plants will hurt his business and nobody should tell the truth if its going to hurt Shanti's business.
anyway no offense to you or anything or anyone else but nobody is going around trying to sabotage Shanti there are Shanti shills though...

shill
* 1.an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.
* "verb"
* 1.act or work as a shill.

are you under the impression Nirvana sells f2's??
this is from Nirvana's website:

Nirvana White Rhino is a powerful F1 marijuana hybrid of *Nirvana White Widow and a curiously strong Canadian indica strain. Its father contains more Cannabis Indica-genes than White Widow, its mother, making for denser, somewhat shorter cannabis plants. Because of its high THC content, White Rhino would be very suitable for medicinal marijuana users. The taste of its smoke is hashy and slightly harsh, making it work well in a bong.

I think you misunderstand my statement about the NL 5 I was not trying to say that Nirvana's white rhino is mainly Northern Lights. I was trying to say that I believe the clone my friend runs is. I say that because I showed him my most NL leaning pheno of my NL5xAfghan ( from Mr Nice) and he told me it was just like his white rhino.

have a good day red fangs and good luck with your search

Lammy

 

[Capt.Ahab]

Here is some feminized White Rhino from Nirvana that I grew out last Spring. Now has a 5 month cure . It finished in about 60 days if I remember correctly and has a nice mellow taste and smoke that goes down easily but expands into a hashy/sweet coughing fit if you toke too hard. It is fairly strong. I'd say about 7-8 on a scale of 10. Most peeps that I smoke it with get wrecked after 3-4 hits. Smell in the jar is very floral and compared to much of the other stains Ive grown is pale white in appearance. Im getting ready to order some new beans from the 'boo and Nirvana White Rhino fem. is once again on the list.

 

[Red Fang]

and there are no shills of his competition? that shows your impariality! Most strains from anyone will have their good and bad, my problem is not that some have bad to say, just that that's all they say and no way are all the seeds bad!

 

[spaceboy]

I would try Nirvana again too, its a good buy and even though it was back in 07 when I grew it was the strongest weed I've ever had. Its worth a try.

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This Rhino was grown outdoors in Colombia (2,700mts) but I timed it wrong and she finished during the rainy season. Still super potent.

Peace from Colombia!

This looks a lot like the white rhino that I used to smoke about 5 years ago. The taste was very lemony and almost metallic in a good way. Smoke was SUPER expando and buzz lasted a good two hours and would ring your bell real good! It was a clone and was grown outdoors. Still some of the best weed I've ever smoked.

 

[siftedunity]

^^^ this is what I mean... theres actually far more fanboys than trolls and I don't understand this. ive never been one to idolise people. the breeders are just normal people to me I don't wanna be them or meet them, im just interested in what works and what doesn't.
gh, dutch passion, serious seeds, th seeds etc were onces leading the field, this was far too long ago now and what they say doesn't really hold a lot of weight anymore. they are well behind in terms of breeding I think. im sure your right, im sure its a lot to do with the laws..
in cali etc where things are moving forward theres been more room to breed strains and produce better quality etc which kinda leads in to my answer to willyweed...

its generally money which drives the game, for example the medical movement in the usa.. theres a market for the best weed around, they can even slap far bigger prices on it depending on quality. here in the uk for example its a pretty ridged price margin for most types of weed from ok to proper dank. you cant get something fantastic and then sell it for £400 an oz. so essentially in the usa the breeding is market driven.
plus if it wasn't all for a profit then you would never would have ever smoked it. the whole reason its there for sale anywhere is for profit.


back to the white rhino.... ive got a supposedly very old rhino cut atm.. I don't wanna say much about it till ive flowered it out to make sure its the real deal but if it is then its the strongest wr ive ever smoked.

 

[siftedunity]

and there are no shills of his competition? that shows your impariality! Most strains from anyone will have their good and bad, my problem is not that some have bad to say, just that that's all they say and no way are all the seeds bad!

I think there is paid employees on the forums but not as many as you would think. ive been bashed for being honest before and ive not been paid a penny to endorse anyone..

 

[Raho]

The original version from MNS would have been made using the (Jim Ortega sourced) Afghan T female.
Nevil said during his short lived return to that site that Shanti had lost his Afghan T female (described by Nevil as the archetypical indica skunk plant. Highly potent, heavy skunky funk) and was now using the similar but sweeter Afghan S as a substitute in crosses. Nordle is the new MNS skunky afghan, but if the strain description of medman is correct, it is made with Afghan S.

If reports are coming back that Med Man is not as good/different, there is a good explanation why.

Well selected F2's containing original genes would be preferable to me in a situation like that and it seems the experience of veterans supports that in this case.

MNS breeding model (and most of the industry) is built around releasing F1 genetics. The reason for that is the hybrid vigor that people expect and to avoid sending out genetics that can easily be used to produce hybrids that are better than the original. This comes at a cost when trying to resuscitate famous old lines from seed as they are basically changing the whole strain with the last cross.

G13 skunk is a perfect example.
Shanti re-crafted that line from the original G13xskunk F1s from Nevil.
He took it to F3, selecting for G13 traits at each step.
If he had released the F3, the whole world would be raving about the amazing potency, but they might be complaining about the vigor.
If expectations were set in the strain description (slow vegging, requires extra time to reach good yield, etc.), no problem, but the current strain descriptions are crap.
He then took the result of all that work and added back HIS version of skunk, which he has stated that he has been breeding for years to "the sweet side."
I believe it is the sweet skunk that is used as a male in so many of Shanti's lines that generates the mediocre phenos and lowers the overall quality of the crosses.

Unfortunately, Shanti tends to respond to questions for more info on his strains with platitudes about "let the plant speak." That doesn't help anyone who knows what they are doing and is trying to find specific phenos or do hobby breeding.

BR, old friend,
No need to attack people here in this thread. Take a deep breath and look around. These are friendly people sharing honest experiences, and have no interest in trying to drag down MNS.

 

[Raho]

no offense or anything but nobody is going around talking crap about MNS just for the heck of it or the put them in the ground. I stopped using shanties website because people were harassing me so much after I said my ortega came out smelling like onions. I wasn't even complaining about the onion smell I just don't personally care for it. but after I made that comment everybody started harassing me talking like you are. that I'm out there for money to force shanties babies into prostitution or what not. several people accused me of making up that information simply to hurt his business. other people said that they thought I was telling the truth but that I should not say that in a public setting because saying that I got onion smelling plants will hurt his business and nobody should tell the truth if its going to hurt Shanti's business.
anyway no offense to you or anything or anyone else but nobody is going around trying to sabotage Shanti there are Shanti shills though...

I remember that thread. It was absurd the way you were treated. I think I posted a reply showing Nevil describing the exact onion smell you described in the strain, but you may have already left by that point.

Shanti's strain description mentioned "berries" so of course, anyone reporting a non-berry smell must be taking pot shots at the breeder . . .
WTF.
It's not freaking blueberry.

are you under the impression Nirvana sells f2's??
this is from Nirvana's website:

Nirvana White Rhino is a powerful F1 marijuana hybrid of *Nirvana White Widow and a curiously strong Canadian indica strain.

I think you misunderstand my statement about the NL 5 I was not trying to say that Nirvana's white rhino is mainly Northern Lights. I was trying to say that I believe the clone my friend runs is. I say that because I showed him my most NL leaning pheno of my NL5xAfghan ( from Mr Nice) and he told me it was just like his white rhino.

The Nirvana description is either artistic license or they are ignorant of the pedigree of their own line. Not unusual, especially in strains from the "glory days."

They describe it as a Canadian indica because the Afg-T and Afg-S came from the same batch of seeds as Maple Leaf Indica.
Thats a Jim Ortega line and I presume it got it's name from the shape of the heavy indica leaves, not from the country of origin.
(Canadian?) Maple leaf.
*sigh*

 

[siftedunity]

same as the ''medman'' on the mr n forum. if you look on the medman section quite a few people are getting the 10+ week flowering sativas, some are getting the stout indicas but they are floral smelling not the deep skunky earthy afghani type plants.

the proof is on their own forum.. no needs for trolls everywhere

 

[Red Fang]

who said Nirvana is not f2's? as far as I remember, they stated so themselves when they started out. I know they do a few of their own f1's but try to tell me they are the original breeders of white rhino and I will tell you you are so full of shit you stink! I have heard good things about their ppp, ice, snow white, and aurora indica. Papaya seems to get good reviews too but that one did not work out for me. again, limited experience. I honestly have not heard anything good about anyone's white rhino version for a long time, before this thread, including nirvana's. I have little doubt they have some good stuff, but all their stuff is great and all shanti's stuff is shit except a few things that are ok? I have a hard time believing that. But enjoy what works for you and I will have to grow on or search on or whatever.

 

[sativa92]

Captain that looks a lot like it, Great pics might as well try WR fems from nirvana too.. What I remember most is she had huge fan leaves 9 to 13 fingers. slightly dark green, and a smell of pissy/rank smell that after a nice cure smelled kind of a mentholated citrus/vanilla..Definitely hashy metallic taste.. the search is on

 

[Red Fang]

I see what you mean! A guy there seems to have been guilty of asking questions and 2 others create a thread called "seedbank etiquette" and no one steps up and supports freedom of speech. sad. you have valid points for sure. I think the seeds are fine, the website maybe not.

 

[sprinkl]

so does everybody think that strains in general are getting worse/weaker ? there does seem to be a lot of posts about older strains being more sought after.when i say "older strains " i am mainly talking about cuts ,but also the older seeds !

I think as with a lot of strains someone did a huge selection from 100+ plants back in the days to find a winning clone, and that clone set the quality name for that strain. Especially in weed scenes like BC, Cali or Amsterdam most if not all weed comes from the same elite clones. Offcourse those clones dont represent the quality of a seed strain with its different, but nonetheless multiple good or bad pheno's.
Now people grow a 10 pack and notice its not the same as they remember.
It could well be that inbred or watered down genetics yield more winners than the original strain...

Its one of the many reasons imo why breeder cups are silly. Whats better, a strain with 5 winners out of 10 or a strain with 1 winner out of 100 that maybe slightly better...
That one plant may be the ultimate winner but that breeder kind of sucks at the same time...

 

[myiqis55]

I got a wr I'm running at the moment. It's the shortest most compact plant I've grown. Huge yielder and done in 60 days. I think it's the old school one you guys are taking about. Post pics when I get a new computer

 

[mojo420]

I've got a pack of freebies labeled - RHINO by DVP. I got these as freebies from either the bay or GN sometime in '07 or '08. I have no idea who DVP is and can't find any info doing a search. Anybody here have a clue??? I gotta believe I wasn't the only one that got these beans. Because I've been looking for a strong indica stone, I've been thinking of running the seeds but don't want to if it's shit.