Is Pot lawful in australia?

[hard rain]

why would we need to delete this thread hard rain? you have said your piece, made your views know, so people are informed from all sides, believer and non believer, lol. there is no need to close the thread unless that was your motive all along? i don't like trying to shut people up just because i might not agree with what they are saying.

btw you never got back to me about the desirability of having some kind of recourse when being screwed with by the pigs for victimless consensual actions, that they call "crimes"?

I was being a bit tongue in cheek regarding deleting the thread. My intention was never to close the thread. I just got a bit pissed off with all these wildly inaccurate statements, especially the historical ones, being made and just accepted as fact. Still waiting on answers regarding those? And I only picked out a couple.

I do wish the thread would stay on topic.

Is your last question directed at me or someone else? No argument from me. Of course we are getting screwed by the powers that be for a completely victimless crime. It would be great if the freeman defense actually worked or if Isaih520's treason defense worked. It is extremely seductive to think that this might work, that somehow you could stick it to the establishment.

 

[gaiusmarius]

good, glad to hear we are all basically on the same side. i was starting to wonder if you are one of those cyber warriors for the gov intelligence and propaganda department that goes around ridiculing people that don't believe we know the truth about 911 and a bunch of other events of great import. LOL

as for these tactics mentioned, no one in their right mind will try it till they have all the original law books and cases in front of them to back them up. so if you can't find the original sources you obviously know that it won't work in court as they also will not find the original cases.

what i do find interesting is that people do some times achieve astonishing situations using these type of tactics. just from the few times i've seen footage ending with the judge fleeing the court makes me wonder if there isn't something there after all. if it was useless and not achieving anything for anyone, why are so many still doing it. why isnt youtube full of people saying hey don't try freeman it got me really fucked up or what ever. so yeah, i have my doubts, but till i really spend a few years studying this stuff i will reserve judgment about the possibility of some of these freeman or treason based strategies working or not.

another interesting topic is the right to travel freely. was just looking at a site some one linked me and it was full of quotes from judges emphatically stating in judgments, that we have the right to travel on the highways, that it's not a privilege. only if you use the hiway system for commerce is it a privilege.

so people are arguing they don't need a state license to travel in their automobile.

there is ruling after ruling quoted supporting this position.

anyway the whole thing is very convincing, but i would in no way rely on the info until i found those cases and rulings in the gov records and they were verbatim. this applies to the whole thread, any sensible person will realize this and not try and use this thread for legal advise, would be plain silly. use it to steer your research by all means though.

 

[Tonygreen]

Who is we btw?

???

 

[gaiusmarius]

he did explain earlier about the reason for using the word we, it has to do with being a king in your own right. kings or sovereigns always use the royal we. filter his posts to see his exact words on this, i'm para phrasing.

 

[greenbeen]

I would give this a try any day, anything is worth a try especially for freedom and your life. but you would need to know what your doing for sure... time to start learning law

 

[Donald Mallard]

I find getting busted terribly stressful,
and i cant see how anything in these pages will help stop that ,

this seems to be more a "once your in the shit" kinda thread ,,
we probably should have another on "how to avoid getting in the shit in the first place""

 

[noyd666]

NO.ONE = SHUT UP.
NO TWO= DONT DO SHIT.

 

[GeneralExecutor]

"GeneralExecutor, that makes it pretty much impossible to verify anything you are saying. How convenient. We just have to accept your particular version of reality. It also suggests to me that you are finding certain unrelated pieces of information and joining the dots, so to speak. This sort of thinking is quite paranoid!

Actually if "they" do not allow proof of what you are claiming, how do you account for the existence of the links you have posted? Wouldn't "they" close them down? Indeed what about this very thread. How I wish "they" would delete it. Do you see how little sense your argument makes? The very fact you are posting what you have said disproves your argument.

It is great to have a healthy skepticism, particularly about what your government or mass media are telling you. It is quite another thing to link unrelated events into a conspiracy theory."

Hardrain,

We shall address this issue, and hereafter we shall only address issues pertaining to the topic of this thread.

We are not expressing what we have out of convenience; sorry you see it that way. When you arrive at or derive any a decision pertaining to any thing in your mind, do you use a single or a few ideas, thoughts, experiences or knowing? We would doubt anyone does nor do we. The fact that it makes it pretty much impossible to verify or confirm anything beyond any doubt, especially in a court of law, has been a lifelong source of anguish and pain for us too; you are not alone.

We hear of public budgets being released, yet does anyone ask for solid proof as to the ENTIRE fiscals used to derive at such? And we mean, the ENTIRE LOT, from every individual's tax payment and beyond? There alone one can be assured that no such figures would ever be released to the public given the manner in which they are falsified for the benefit of a few, yet the majority of people accept them as though there was no possibility of such rigging, and we can provide text which confirm what we say here, and again, such text would be denied as having proper credit by the authorities though if you read it carefully you may think otherwise.

Voting is another issue on par; has anyone you know actually witnessed the counting of ALL voting cards? Has anyone thought of how long it would truly take to count up many millions of votes as they did and still do before the advent of computerized counting? Yet in most all ballots the media seem to know WHO the victor is before the end of the voting day itself. Think about that.

Do you accept what they claim about nuclear or radioactive material having a half life of 100's of thousands of years? That is what they have been teaching us all in school have they not? They would be happy to provide you with many scientists on their payroll who would vouch for that, with all sorts of charts and claimed valid experiments backed up by countless journals and scientific text to the effect. So we ask: can they all be wrong or just intentionally deceitful? The real question being: why do we accept that, if other “seemingly” irrelevant FACTS which pass most by prove such claims to be WRONG false or erroneous? Is it because the media presents these people as some form of authority on the issue beyond questioning or doubt, or is that we have been conditioned to somehow BLOCK the truth out of our cognizance? We draw your attention to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombing: WHY were people able to move back and repopulate those nuclear drenched cities within less than 10 years after the radiation deluge? Many never left, many stayed and continued living there IMMEDIATELY after the bombs were dropped, and many of them, lived to die of old age.

You see hardrain, the point is that when any one of us makes a statement which cannot be proven outright with hard evidence which we know is NOT allowed to exist, there are a near countless number of processes that go through ones' mind which involve many OTHER things which they have learnt and know that they use to dissimulate discern and cross correlate the subject at hand. Ultimately it depends on each individual’s ability to derive at some form of truth which they can validate to within an acceptable level of reason from their perspective. Nothing is as simple as ABC; for us to sit here and explain all the variables that have gone into any decision we have expressed which we cannot provide proof because it has been intentional hidden would be a near impossible task. But we do have better things to do than sit here joking or lying to you and others. We can say that we have faith in our judgment, and we do not mind others' who don't, but in the end, time will by our judge collectively. What we and others here have written which good people such as yourself find hard to accept will one day become revealed to one and all as things which did pass, and given they hide things as they do, we cannot do any better for now, and that, by others' design.

mcsamuels: we all have some reading to do, we owe it to ourselves.

tonygreen: you brother are included in the said reading.

I find getting busted terribly stressful, and i cant see how anything in these pages will help stop that , this seems to be more a "once your in the shit" kinda thread, we probably should have another on "how to avoid getting in the shit in the first place.

Donald,

Being treated as a criminal when one is not would be stressful to anyone in such predicament. We have approached this topic from the perspective of the latter in which you say. We have repeatedly said that it best to establishing ones' standing in law before the worst happens. This, we feel is the only way to go about it. Attempting a stand after the fact can be a precarious act at best, which should only be attempted by those who already have a good grasp of the law. Therein lays the paradox; if one is already ophey with law, then why would one not have established some form of fortification beforehand.

We ask you brother Donald; what should come first? The duck or the egg?

 

[greenbeen]

i have been reading this forum for a day now and was wondering if there is anything about Canada? I have found this I was wondering if I was looking in the right spot?
http://canadafcusa.wordpress.com/solutions/common-law-solutions/

 

[isaih520]

greenbean I looked into Canada, to see if you had the same set up as we do.
You do.
A counterfeit. With the sic listing 8880 , same company type as coca cola.

Or in other words , everything pertaining to Australia with the treason defence , pertains to Canada. For the same reasons.
Your next step would likely be comparing the seals and coat of arms of dejure canadian government with the counterfeit corporation's seals.
which is what Dick Yardley did to expose what's happening here.

Our dejure coat of arms for example is the lion and the unicorn, naturally.
And I would assume yours is too. But haven't looked into it.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-e...00230098&owner=exclude&count=40&hidefilings=0

If you're in New Zealand, I can no longer find the listing. The corporations name is "HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN IN RIGHT OF NEW ZEALAND," though if youre interested in looking deeper.

I actually found an instruction booklet for managers of this corporation in New Zealand and they telll these" managers" to run the country exactly as though its a company.

It was Orwellian. The members of parliament were Shareholders in the company. The people were stakeholders. A stakeholder is someTHING that may be affected as part of business operations. Nothing more than that. A tree is a stakeholder. A dog is a stakeholder. The air is a stakeholder.

They have gone from public servants to corporate masters.
We have gone from owners of the country to cattle.

Anyhow , I digress. Point being, Greenbean , get your ducks in a row re:that corporation because you may need to prove it in Canada, unlike Australia where the secret is out.
But other than that its the same show.

And also New Zealand, ( i looked into them last year)

On reading the mentality of the responses here, I think I should explain that you won't get a pat on the head from these private courts saying Ok yes we are committing treason. You are now immune from prosecution.

Would you if you were in their shoes?

What you will achieve is an impasse
----------------------------------

That is what I have achieved for myself.
Freeman tend to think you should arrange something with the corporation ahead of time. Through letter writing.

But if this was the Japs who were conquering us instead of the Roman church, would you send them little letters advising them?

This what freeman are doing.



Dear Japs,

it has come to my attention that half a dozen Japs landed at Bondi and decided amongst themselves that they conquered Australia. Without anyone in australia knowing about it.

Then started a company called the Japanese takeover of australia corporation, and paid traitors to work for it to change wordings in our laws.

I would like to give you notice according to UCC law section 3 c) of whatever : that I'm a wanker who lacks principle, perspective and has no sense of duty. And want you to leave me alone, while you fuck everyone else over.

Love



Dumblefuck Dave of the family Narcissism- SOVERIGN!
adminstrator of my Japanese Estate, you created for me,

In peace love and understanding of newagey bullshit.

 

[GeneralExecutor]

i have been reading this forum for a day now and was wondering if there is anything about Canada? I have found this I was wondering if I was looking in the right spot?
http://canadafcusa.wordpress.com/solutions/common-law-solutions/

CANADA CIK#: 0000230098

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-e...00230098&owner=exclude&count=40&hidefilings=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ifCrm3roJs&list=PL89AA59DA768F8786



United States Corp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUcoVGA3KQ4



From http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html :


[quotet]Did you ever hear of the Independent Treasury Act of 1920? No, you say.... Hmmmmmmm....?

The Independent Treasury Act of 1920 suspended the de jure (meaning "by right of legal establishment") Treasury Department of the United States government. Our Congress turned the treasury department over to a private corporation, which when seen in its true light, is a fascist monopolistic cartel, the Federal Reserve and their agents. The bulk of the ownership of the Federal Reserve System, a very well kept secret from the American Citizen, is held by these banking interests, and NONE is held by the United States Treasury:

Rothschild Bank of London
Rothschild Bank of Berlin
Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
Lazard Brothers of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Lehman Brothers of New York
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

The Federal Reserve is at the root of most of our present statutory regulations, "laws", in the control and regulation of virtually all aspects of human activity in the United States, through successively socialistic constructions laid upon the Commerce clause of the Constitution. Basically, the Federal Reserve is the "STATE" of the United States.[/quote]


United Kingdom

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_united_kingdom_corporation

http://boards.dailymail.co.uk/news-board-moderated/10006532-united-kingdom-corporation-ltd.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB4GDK6MIqQ



New Zealand Corp

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0000216105&owner=include&count=40



AUSTRALIA Corp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_T53yWBDGI

 

[GeneralExecutor]

The Government of the Commonwealth of Australia has prepared this prospectus in connection with offerings registered under the Securities Act of 1933 of ADI Debt Securities issued by ADIs that are covered by the Guarantee Scheme.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/805157/000134100409002488/schedule_b.htm

 

[GeneralExecutor]

... in connection with "offerings"... means they were NOT OBLIGATED to do it, it was done by their own free will act and deed. Damning evidence of willful treason against the Australian people - by their own testament therein.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

The above (federal reserve system etc) is explained succinctly and in great detail here as linked before:

Financial Tyranny - http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1023-financial-tyranny

 

[High Country]

i find this all very confusing

You are not wrong there...whatever the OP is on must be good shit...out of control...don't care...I'm on a week long deer hunting mission...nothing yet...mmm venison.

 

[greenbeen]

so would health cards, drivers licences since back in the day a licence was for criminals I do believe would that mean by signing the card you hear by give your free will to the government of Canada? and if that is true how would one become a free citizen? seems very hard if the world is run by a company that gives "privileges" out, but also wouldn't that mean we should be able to drive with out a drivers licence since it would be our property or right of transportation? and if the constitution is only notwithstanding what would be the true laws of todays? magna carta and what other laws?

 

[isaih520]

Greenbean the foundational law is the bill of rights. Magna carta is only law in so far as it was ratified by the last internal war.
Its law in the American states for example, but they don't have a king or feudal titles mentioned in the Magna Carta.

I think everything else you mention has been covered.
The word "knowingly" in the treason defence covers previous agreements you made with Canada corporation in the past.
You didn't know they weren't real governemnt when you got your drivers license.
You do now.
There is more thought behind the simple statement of the tresond defence than meets the eye. So be sure to use it word for word. Until you have a greater understanding of the law.


I don't think we can become a free citizen . I see citizen as Roman .The Roman Church is conquering us. I'm a protestant. This is why I've abandoned australian citizenship and act as a British Subject.

Again there is alot behind this stance, and I can't be bothered going into it. But I would be very reluctant to associate a claim of citizenship to having rights.

"I'm a Canadian citizen! and I demand...." to my understanding is like saying I'm a slave who has abandoned his rights and I demand to be treated like a fool who doesn't know his history or why he has rights.

Acting as a British subject doesn't make me free. Although it has greater impact than you'd expect.
I wouldn't suggest abandoning your citizenship without knowing why. But I would suggest not mentioning your citizenship at all .

The upshot is, your country is being conquered by the pope who wants to enslave you. So he doesn't want to give you freedom. You have to take it. Fight for it.

The incremental destruction of basic liberties that I've seen in my 44 years has taught me that it will only ever get worse, until you stand up and fight it.

You have to grasp that our countries are being conquered through the back door. By enemies. The only ways of being free in the sense you desire is conquering that enemy or being co-opted by it.

If you want to delude yourself that you're free under this takeover try looking at freeman disinfo.

But I believe, having had success where everyone else has failed, stick to the big picture of treason.
Adhere to principle over expedience.
Do not believe in anything that defies common sense,
And above all keep your stand really simple.

1) protestants won the war that made our foundational laws - bill of rights 1688 tells you this
2) KJV is the supreme law via that victory
3) genesis page 1 of the bible says that the almighty gave you EVERY plant. Each of them beautifully designed organic machines of incalculable value.
A gift you appreciate and do not relinquish

that covers you being right in the greater law.Which you will be unlikely to ever have to use in court. However its important to know that you're not a criminal under British Protestant law. If you don't know that you may act or feel like a criminal, under the stress of arrest. When you are not one.
the way you act is important when youre standing up to these guys.
You're shaming them for committing treason. So dont stand there feeling guilty because you think yourself a lowly drug dealer.

next the canada corp is conquering your country through the backdoor. They're not dejure government.
To submit to their authority knowingly would be an act of treason.(its up to you to research the truth of this)

And this is what you will use in court.
To achieve impasse.
Important not just to use words, but treat them as what they are. Treat them with the utter disdain you would treat traitors with. And walk on out of there.


Canadian courts are alot more civilised than ours. Probably because you all have your guns.
So treason defence should be a piece of cake to use successfully.


Differentiating between real law and legislation is covered also.

Even if you had just murdered someone, a defacto court does not have the authority to try you.
They're not lawful government. Theyre traitors working for private courts, corporation owned courts. Counterfeiting our real government.
Its a con.
So real law versus legislation is irrelevant until you find yourself in a dejure court.

the reason I mentioned that was to make men realise that they're right every which way you look at it.

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

So whats happening with the current guilty sentencing of a priest for raping children? Is this just because they must be seen (now that its so public) to be doing something?

Ditto the royal commision?

 

[High Country]

Greenbean the foundational law is the bill of rights. Magna carta is only law in so far as it was ratified by the last internal war.
Its law in the American states for example, but they don't have a king or feudal titles mentioned in the Magna Carta.

I think everything else you mention has been covered.
The word "knowingly" in the treason defence covers previous agreements you made with Canada corporation in the past.
You didn't know they weren't real governemnt when you got your drivers license.
You do now.
There is more thought behind the simple statement of the tresond defence than meets the eye. So be sure to use it word for word. Until you have a greater understanding of the law.


I don't think we can become a free citizen . I see citizen as Roman .The Roman Church is conquering us. I'm a protestant. This is why I've abandoned australian citizenship and act as a British Subject.

Again there is alot behind this stance, and I can't be bothered going into it. But I would be very reluctant to associate a claim of citizenship to having rights.

"I'm a Canadian citizen! and I demand...." to my understanding is like saying I'm a slave who has abandoned his rights and I demand to be treated like a fool who doesn't know his history or why he has rights.

Acting as a British subject doesn't make me free. Although it has greater impact than you'd expect.
I wouldn't suggest abandoning your citizenship without knowing why. But I would suggest not mentioning your citizenship at all .

The upshot is, your country is being conquered by the pope who wants to enslave you. So he doesn't want to give you freedom. You have to take it. Fight for it.

The incremental destruction of basic liberties that I've seen in my 44 years has taught me that it will only ever get worse, until you stand up and fight it.

You have to grasp that our countries are being conquered through the back door. By enemies. The only ways of being free in the sense you desire is conquering that enemy or being co-opted by it.

If you want to delude yourself that you're free under this takeover try looking at freeman disinfo.

But I believe, having had success where everyone else has failed, stick to the big picture of treason.
Adhere to principle over expedience.
Do not believe in anything that defies common sense,
And above all keep your stand really simple.

1) protestants won the war that made our foundational laws - bill of rights 1688 tells you this
2) KJV is the supreme law via that victory
3) genesis page 1 of the bible says that the almighty gave you EVERY plant. Each of them beautifully designed organic machines of incalculable value.
A gift you appreciate and do not relinquish

that covers you being right in the greater law.Which you will be unlikely to ever have to use in court. However its important to know that you're not a criminal under British Protestant law. If you don't know that you may act or feel like a criminal, under the stress of arrest. When you are not one.
the way you act is important when youre standing up to these guys.
You're shaming them for committing treason. So dont stand there feeling guilty because you think yourself a lowly drug dealer.

next the canada corp is conquering your country through the backdoor. They're not dejure government.
To submit to their authority knowingly would be an act of treason.(its up to you to research the truth of this)

And this is what you will use in court.
To achieve impasse.
Important not just to use words, but treat them as what they are. Treat them with the utter disdain you would treat traitors with. And walk on out of there.


Canadian courts are alot more civilised than ours. Probably because you all have your guns.
So treason defence should be a piece of cake to use successfully.


Differentiating between real law and legislation is covered also.

Even if you had just murdered someone, a defacto court does not have the authority to try you.
They're not lawful government. Theyre traitors working for private courts, corporation owned courts. Counterfeiting our real government.
Its a con.
So real law versus legislation is irrelevant until you find yourself in a dejure court.

the reason I mentioned that was to make men realise that they're right every which way you look at it.

For fucks sake...magna carta...loosen up a bit...get freaking real.

 

[greenbeen]

what if we stood together as British subject and all came together in a court which the people make the dissection and send a letter saying that we the British subjects take the queen and all of the governments to common law court. specifics and al that time a place and a date. and turn a public place into a court house? that should surly say something to them...

as an employee I am a slave to this government I want to own my own skills and trade as a farmer and a subject to the foundational law. and throw out this corporation and liberate it to the people once again. as we need to make a stand in our onw system and not a place that is run like a business, you my friend have made the government fall since I will not give up until I see justice for what I have started before.