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U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

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bentom187

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NSA paying U.S. companies for access to communications networks

The National Security Agency is paying hundreds of millions of dollars a year to U.S. companies for clandestine access to their communications networks, filtering vast traffic flows for foreign targets in a process that also sweeps in large volumes of American telephone calls, e-mails and instant messages.

The bulk of the spending, detailed in a multi-volume intelligence budget obtained by The Washington Post, goes to participants in a Corporate Partner Access Project for major U.S. telecommunications providers. The documents open an important window into surveillance operations on U.S. territory that have been the subject of debate since they were revealed by The Post and Britain’s Guardian newspaper in June.

New details of the corporate-partner project, which falls under the NSA’s Special Source Operations, confirm that the agency taps into “high volume circuit and packet-switched networks,” according to the spending blueprint for fiscal 2013. The program was expected to cost $278 million in the current fiscal year, down nearly one-third from its peak of $394 million in 2011.

Voluntary cooperation from the “backbone” providers of global communications dates to the 1970s under the cover name BLARNEY, according to documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. These relationships long predate the PRISM program disclosed in June, under which American technology companies hand over customer data after receiving orders from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

In briefing slides, the NSA described BLARNEY and three other corporate projects — OAKSTAR, FAIRVIEW and STORMBREW — under the heading of “passive” or “upstream” collection. They capture data as they move across fiber-optic cables and the gateways that direct global communications traffic.

The documents offer a rare view of a secret surveillance economy in which government officials set financial terms for programs capable of peering into the lives of almost anyone who uses a phone, computer or other device connected to the Internet.

Although the companies are required to comply with lawful surveillance orders, privacy advocates say the multimillion-dollar payments could create a profit motive to offer more than the required assistance.

“It turns surveillance into a revenue stream, and that’s not the way it’s supposed to work,” said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington-based research and advocacy group. “The fact that the government is paying money to telephone companies to turn over information that they are compelled to turn over is very troubling.”

Verizon, AT&T and other major telecommunications companies declined to comment for this article, although several industry officials noted that government surveillance laws explicitly call for companies to receive reasonable reimbursement for their costs.

Previous news reports have made clear that companies frequently seek such payments, but never before has their overall scale been disclosed.

The budget documents do not list individual companies, although they do break down spending among several NSA programs, listed by their code names.

There is no record in the documents obtained by The Post of money set aside to pay technology companies that provide information to the NSA’s PRISM program. That program is the source of 91 percent of the 250 million Internet communications collected through Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act, which authorizes PRISM and the upstream programs, according to an 2011 opinion and order by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
Several of the companies that provide information to PRISM, including Apple, Facebook and Google, say they take no payments from the government when they comply with national security requests. Others say they do take payments in some circumstances. The Guardian reported last week that the NSA had covered “millions of dollars” in costs that some technology companies incurred to comply with government demands for information.

Telecommunications companies generally do charge to comply with surveillance requests, which come from state, local and federal law enforcement officials as well as intelligence agencies.

Former telecommunications executive Paul Kouroupas, a security officer who worked at Global Crossing for 12 years, said that some companies welcome the revenue and enter into contracts in which the government makes higher payments than otherwise available to firms receiving re*imbursement for complying with surveillance orders.

These contractual payments, he said, could cover the cost of buying and installing new equipment, along with a reasonable profit. These voluntary agreements simplify the government’s access to surveillance, he said.

“It certainly lubricates the [surveillance] infrastructure,” Kouroupas said. He declined to say whether Global Crossing, which operated a fiber-optic network spanning several continents and was bought by Level 3 Communications in 2011, had such a contract. A spokesman for Level 3 Communications declined to comment.

In response to questions in 2012 from then-Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), who was elected to the Senate in June, several telecommunications companies detailed their prices for surveillance services to law enforcement agencies under individual warrants and subpoenas. AT&T, for example, reported that it charges $325 to activate surveillance of an account and also a daily rate of $5 or $10, depending on the information gathered. For providing the numbers that have accessed cell towers, meanwhile, AT&T charged $75 per tower, the company said in a letter.

No payments have been previously disclosed for mass surveillance access to traffic flowing across a company’s infrastructure.

Lawyer Albert Gidari Jr., a partner at Perkins Coie who represents technology and telecommunications companies, said that surveillance efforts are expensive, requiring teams of attorneys to sift through requests and execute the ones deemed reasonable. Government agencies, meanwhile, sometimes balk at paying the full costs incurred by companies

“They lose a ton of money,” Gidari said. “And yet the government is still unsatisfied with it.”

The budget documents obtained by The Post list $65.96 million for BLARNEY, $94.74 million for FAIRVIEW, $46.04 million for STORMBREW and $9.41 million for OAKSTAR. It is unclear why the total of these four programs amounts to less than the overall budget of $278 million.

Among the possible costs covered by these amounts are “network and circuit leases, equipment hardware and software maintenance, secure network connectivity, and covert site leases,” the documents say. They also list in a separate line item $56.6 million in payments for “Foreign Partner Access,” although it is not clear whether these are for foreign companies, foreign governments or other foreign entities.

Some privacy advocates favor payments to companies when they comply with surveillance efforts because the costs can be a brake on overly broad requests by government officials. Invoices also can provide a paper trail to help expose the extent of spying.

But if the payments are too high, they may persuade companies to go beyond legal requirements in providing information, said Chris Soghoian, a technology expert with the American Civil Liberties Union who has studied government payments related to surveillance requests.

“I’m worried that the checks might grease the wheels a little bit,” he said.
 

gaiusmarius

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sorry but this thread needed a few deletes. again this thread is about the NSA and other gov's agencies spying on everyone.

for the mean time you can join the path of enlightenment social group and make a thread about Syria there.
 

Eighths-n-Aces

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IC's NSA.


:laughing:



rodney-dangerfield.jpeg


it's all about respect

hate on the mods if you have to. but NSA???? ........ that's just fucked up
 

floralheart

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:tiphat:My comment of the NSA and Internet is this.

This platform and invention was conceived by the military, probably about the same time as the hydrogen and atomic bombs were used in WWII.

It isn't some new device that "the powers that be" didn't see coming.

Whatever is happening now was think tanked, war gamed and strategized long ago.

Artificial Intelligence is publicly commercially leasable, it's what cities use to run their governments with and major corporations use to plan 100's of years into the future.

Events like the OWS, Occupy Wall Street are re-staged and co-opted by government military organizations. It isn't a sovereign movement of the people.

The internet wasn't granted to save, it was encamped to enslave, or do what ever nefarious activity it does. Not by street crime of the Internet, which is what is publicly advertised, but by those Yale boys, who just can't sit still too long.

It's the duty of the secret military government to control all major communications and uphold the illusion of freedom, while holding back chaos, freedom and barbarism by the uninitiated class. Liberty is acceptable to "the powers that be", as the kids like to say, however Freedom is not.

Then I'd say Zoroaster's crew has the eyes to see this on a whole different dimensional plane, but many of them are no more than flying monkeys.

Life isn't what you think it is.
 

floralheart

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The internet is military realty. Virtual reality. When you take the (i) out, reality becomes realty, and that real estate and property needs to be protected and governed. The NSA is the organization that is publicly responsible for that activity.

Therefore, they are fighting virtual warfare, to defend virtual objectives in a virtual universe, for a future secret outcome.

Sometimes those virtual activities blend over into our dimensional lives. If you die in the dream, you die in real life! Somebody gets what I'm saying, probably.

The internet is basically an inter-dimensional portal into a world that is going to exist. You cannot see it, you cannot touch it, but it is there.

I don't think most of the population is going to die in a single swoop, I think most of it is going to be brought together and managed as one. It's the next frontier of the centuries.

Don't drink the Soy Sauce, John Dies at the End.
 
gaius I am the creator of this thread and as such I will state it was not intended to be restricted only to discussion of Edward Snowden. It's ridiculous to expect the people posting here, who share a common interest in promoting liberty and freedom, and calling out fascism, to be forced to create a separate thread for each "conspiracy theorist" sub-idea that may be brought up here. Why the hell would I click on 15 different threads, when I can just click on one? Now I agree there is no need for anyone to argue about gay rights or whatever but it is perfectly fine if anyone wants to post about any police state/spying/military industrial complex/etc related topic. That is what this thread is supposed to be about: how and why the government is fucking us over, in general, not just one specific way. Syria fits perfectly well within that framework considering we are about to be in World War mother fucking 3 over it!
 

gaiusmarius

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are not mods...similar to spies? IC's NSA. Just keeping us on track (safe). Snowden's 15 coming to an end...on to the next big trend

Snowden is not important, what he leaked is important and that is gonna be used to make new way to have oversight and stop spying on the innocent.
 

gaiusmarius

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gaius I am the creator of this thread and as such I will state it was not intended to be restricted only to discussion of Edward Snowden. It's ridiculous to expect the people posting here, who share a common interest in promoting liberty and freedom, and calling out fascism, to be forced to create a separate thread for each "conspiracy theorist" sub-idea that may be brought up here. Why the hell would I click on 15 different threads, when I can just click on one? Now I agree there is no need for anyone to argue about gay rights or whatever but it is perfectly fine if anyone wants to post about any police state/spying/military industrial complex/etc related topic. That is what this thread is supposed to be about: how and why the government is fucking us over, in general, not just one specific way. Syria fits perfectly well within that framework considering we are about to be in World War mother fucking 3 over it!

when it comes to this thread i'm on your side mate, but i'm not the top boss here. if you want to post about everything going on all in 1 thread go ahead, but don't be surprised if a bunch of posters get upset about posted views on Syria, Israel, Iran etc, this will lead to insulting posts back and forth and before you know it the thread is in the bin because a moderator just couldn't watch any longer.

your call buddy.

as for the principle of splitting different topics int different threads, it's much more logical then having a topic that covers 20 subjects.

i already explained the situation with this thread in a previous post, so basically it is up to you now.
 

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http://rt.com/op-edge/uk-parliament-vote-syria-warmongers-209/

Britain’s parliament finally turns against the neo-cons and serial warmongers

The MP’s vote against military intervention in Syria marked a wonderful day for democracy in Britain, because at long last, the Parliament listened to public opinion and voted accordingly, casting a huge blow to the powerful British neo-con clique.

In the great anti-war film All Quiet on the Western Front there's a wonderful scene when Paul, on leave from the front, returns to his old school where his warmongering teacher and arch-hypocrite Kantorek is still urging his pupils to enlist, despite not volunteering himself. To Kantorek's horror Paul launches an anti-war tirade, and turns on his old teacher. 'He tells you go out and die, but it’s easier to say go out and die than it is to do it and it’s easier to say it than to watch it happen'.

I thought of that powerful scene this morning when I heard the news that the British Parliament had voted against military action against Syria.


In the same way that Paul had turned on his warmongering teacher, so British Parliamentarians - and the British public - have turned against the neo-con and 'liberal interventionist' hypocrites who, like Kantorek, are so keen on war, so long as its other people and their children- who do the fighting- and the dying.

These serial warmongers told us that 'something must be done' in response to an alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria, producing no evidence to back up their claims that the Syrian government was responsible. But this time- unlike in the cases of Kosovo, Iraq and Libya- they've not been listened to. And the neo-cons and 'liberal interventionists', who trumpet so loudly their commitment to spreading 'democracy' around the globe, are not very happy at this wonderful and long overdue sign of a democratic resurgence in Britain. A newspaper poll showed that just 8% of Britons wanted immediate weapons strikes on Syria, but despite that the 'Democracy by Bombs' brigade are condemning yesterday's vote as a black day for democracy. Oh, the irony!

The vote is a huge blow to the tiny but powerful British neo-conservative clique who must have been confident that they'd get their way once again. But things have changed a lot since 2003, and even since 2011, when the neocons got their 'intervention' against Libya.

The Rupert Murdoch media empire, at the forefront for propagandising for the US-led wars of the last two decades, is now isolated in its obsessive screeching for military action and the facts that MPs ignored bellicose pro-'intervention' editorials in Murdoch papers shows us how much they are declining in influence.

The Murdoch-owned Times must have thought it was being frightfully clever in wheeling out Tony Blair, the High Priest of 'Liberal Interventionism' to support an attack on Syria earlier this week but it showed just how laughably out of touch it was with public opinion by promoting the views of a man whom a large percentage of Britons regard- quite rightly- as a war criminal and who should be in a prison cell at The Hague.

Opposition to British involvement in an attack on Syria was widespread across the political spectrum. It wasn't just the genuine anti-war left who opposed starting World War Three, but traditional conservatives too, with Conservative-supporting newspapers such as The Daily Express taking a strong line against intervention. UKIP opposed it, Respect opposed it, and so did the Greens, the Communists and other groups too.


With the vast majority of people turning against their devilish plans for Permanent War, the small, self-adoring gang of neo-cons and 'liberal interventionists', who have exercised so much influence on our politics in Britain since 1997, are now more isolated than ever. Their obsession with military intervention in Syria to topple a secular government fighting the very same Al-Qaeda terrorists and affiliates who are supposed to be our number one enemies, has exposed them for the crazed fanatics that they are.

People are sick and tired of being told by elitist neo-con pundits sitting in comfy offices in London, New York or Washington that 'something must be done' as its a record that we've all heard many times before. Iraq lies in ruins after the invasion of 2003 and Libya is in chaos too. Yet despite the disastrous record of US-led military interventions in recent years, and the lies told to justify them, we plebs were still expected to obediently fall into line and support the latest instalment of the neo-cons' Permanent War- an attack on Syria. Its been truly nauseating to see the people who destroyed Iraq and Libya pose as concerned humanitarians in Syria, but now more people than ever before are seeing through the charade.


There's still a long way to go before we get the foreign policy in Britain that the vast majority of ordinary people in Britain want, but make no mistake, last night's vote was a hugely important step in the right direction.
The truculent reaction of the serial warmongers to this renewal of British democracy tells us just how significant it was. They're finding out, like Kantorek in All Quiet on the Western Front, that you can only get away with it for so long.
 

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For 1/10th of a second you think damn Nice score for the good guys right??

Then you read this...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/30/us-job-syria-crisis-france-idUSBRE97T0DF20130830

France says ready to act over Syria, despite British refusal

President Francois Hollande said a British parliamentary vote against taking military action in Syria would not affect France's will to act to punish Bashar al-Assad's government, which it blamed for a chemical attack on civilians.
Hollande told the daily Le Monde he still supported taking firm punitive action over an attack he said had caused irreparable harm to the Syrian people, and said he would work closely with France's allies.
Diplomatic sources said that while the British decision could add to the French public's reservations about strikes, Hollande may now feel an even stronger duty to carry through on a promise to punish the perpetrators of the poison gas attack.

"The chemical massacre in Damascus cannot and must not go unpunished. Otherwise we'd run the risk of an escalation that would trivialize the use of these arms and put other countries at risk," Hollande told Le Monde.
Asked if France could take action without Britain, he replied: "Yes. Each country is sovereign to participate or not in an operation. That is valid for Britain as it is for France."
France, the former colonial power in Syria, has backed the opposition rebels since the start of the conflict yet is worried spiraling violence could spill over into Lebanon, where it has its strongest political and economic links in the region.

France has some 20,000 nationals living in Lebanon, myriad companies operating there and a peacekeeping force of around 800 soldiers. Diplomatic sources say Paris fears Assad's forces could attack its interests there in retaliation for strikes.
Unlike British Prime Minister David Cameron - who lost a parliamentary vote sanctioning military intervention on Thursday - Hollande could, if he chose, act before a French parliamentary debate set for Wednesday.
Hollande, who was due to talk on Friday to U.S. President Barack Obama, told Le Monde France had "a stack of evidence" that Assad's forces were behind last week's gas attacks. "I believe punitive action must be carried out against a regime that is doing irreparable harm to its people," he said.
France would act if the conditions justified it, he said, and any response would be firm and proportionate.
"There are few countries that have the capacity to inflict a sanction by the appropriate means. France is one of them. We are ready. We will decide our position in close liaison with our allies," Hollande said.
France most likely would deploy Rafale and Mirage fighter jets fitted with Scalp air-to-surface missile with a range of up to 250 km (155 miles), from Corsica in the Mediterranean.
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France and Britain have become close diplomatic allies in the years since their disagreement over joining the 2003 U.S.-led war in Iraq and coordinate closely in defense operations.
Cameron stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Hollande's predecessor Nicolas Sarkozy two years ago when the EU members launched air strikes against the forces of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to stop his crushing of a rebel uprising.
French diplomatic sources said Paris had been braced for a refusal by British lawmakers to countenance British military action over Syria. While disappointing, it would likely make France more determined to join any U.S. action, they said.
"It wasn't a surprise that Cameron lost the vote but it has made Hollande's decision more complicated and more political. There are a lot of parameters to take into account," one senior source told Reuters. "It's not an easy decision."
He said France had not yet decided on its course of action but believed that not acting would create a dangerous precedent.
Francois Heisbourg, a special adviser at the Foundation for Strategic Research and former defense ministry adviser, said France was now waiting for the U.S. government to make public its own intelligence assessment about the chemical attack.

"The Americans will make their proof public this afternoon. It will prejudge what Obama will say and he will, either privately or publicly, let loose the dogs of war," he said.
Two opinion polls published this week, and carried out after the gas attack in Damascus, indicated lukewarm support among French voters for military intervention in Syria.
A survey by pollster CSA found 45 percent of respondents would support a U.N. military intervention and 40 percent would be opposed. Separately, 59 percent of people in an IFOP poll did not want France to take part in any intervention.

Hollande, whose popularity has been hurt by economic gloom, showed unexpected military mettle when he dispatched troops to help Mali's government fend off Islamist rebels earlier this year, an intervention backed by two-thirds of the public.
 

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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/military-uneasy-syria-strike/2013/08/30/id/523141

US Military has Doubts about Syria Strike (will they refuse strike orders?)

The U.S. military is hesitant to embrace President Barack Obama's plan to launch a missile strike on Syria, current and former officers revealed in interviews.

Military officers ranging from captains to four-star generals said they are uneasy about a potential Syrian missile strike because it could have unintended consequences, such as turning attention away from their exit from Afghanistan, the Washington Post reported.

"I can't believe the president is even considering it," a young Army officer, who is wrapping up a yearlong tour overseas, told the Post under the condition of anonymity. "We have been fighting the last 10 years a counterinsurgency war. Syria has modern weaponry. We would have to retrain for a conventional war."

Some military officials worry about retaliation from the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, which supports Syrian President Bashar Assad, while others fear ripple effects that could include Iran following through on its threat to attack Israel, retaliation from radical groups, or the U.S. being charged with war crimes.

"The application of force rarely produces and, in fact, maybe never produces the outcome we seek," Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in an interview with ABC News earlier this month.

Active-duty military leaders said they feel strongly that a strike in Syria would serve no purpose for the U.S.

"What is the political end state we’re trying to achieve?" one retired senior officer involved in Middle East operational planning asked. "I don’t know what it is. We say it’s not regime change. If it’s punishment, there are other ways to punish."

Conservatives have denounced a possible Syrian attack as an "impeachable act," especially if the president goes against Congress.

"President Obama is usurping the authority of the Congress first and foremost, and he appears about to launch an unconstitutional and unnecessary war," political commentator Pat Buchanan told Newsmax TV Thursday.

"So the president should be called to account by the Congress and told: no war without our approval. That's the way the Constitution works.

"If the president launched an unnecessary and unconstitutional war, striking a country against whom we have not declared war and has not attacked us, that is de facto an impeachable act that could lead to an open-ended war, the consequences of which we cannot even see."

Still, some maintain that the military as a whole must support Obama's decisions or risk appearing weak.

"When a president draws a red line, for better or worse, it’s policy," an Army lieutenant colonel told the Post, referring to Obama’s declaration last year about Syria’s potential use of chemical weapons. "It cannot appear to be scared or tepid. Remember, with respect to policy choices concerning Syria, we are discussing degrees of bad and worse."
 

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Remember all those Emails that took General Petraeus out of power? He was against War with Iran and Syria... Guess the homies at NSA dug up the right dirt... sent that female he hooked up with ... she also while attending Colorado University took a semester abroad at guess where :) A lil Hint.... M O S S A D
 

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Snowden is not important, what he leaked is important and that is gonna be used to make new way to have oversight and stop spying on the innocent.

All that is currently getting sidetracked by this Syria trend...don't you think? Not being a smart ass...just saying...if this thing happens...not much talk will be made...about the spying.

"Stacks of dead children" has been buzzed now...I heard a talking head say that bullet statement 3 or 4 times in 5 minutes

Hopefully the USA USA chanting doesn't start up again...but you know...I wouldn't bet my money

war drums deafens and drones out
 
All I will say is that yall mother fuckers better start getting your shit together at home in terms of preparing for what's to come. This Syria B.S. is about to ignite WW3 and America is going to lose. If you aren't reading the conspiracy theorist blogs and prepper sites then you are doing it wrong. Rough times ahead for all of us.
 
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