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Feds Won't Block State Recreational Marijuana Laws
- Thread starter zymos
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Oh, please. Uncle Sam waves his dick at the UN whenever he wants. They bitch about it, a lot sometimes, but they usually go down for it. The only reason that a lot of other countries ever outlawed cannabis is that the US tied it to aid & trade deals, paid for eradication programs.
Mostly, they want us to quit being hypocrites. We're the world's #1 cannabis consumer, have been for a long time.
Infowars? Might as well reference the National Enquirer.
You have to realize that the regional DEA offices have their own agenda and politics. Perhaps they knew this policy was coming down and wanted to finish their cases before it did.
Also if you read the statement by the Justice Dept, they will STILL go after criminal gangs. Many cannabizes are operating illegally. They are considered criminal if they don't pay taxes on their income for one thing. If they are moving cannabis interstate to places where it's illegal, then they are still committing criminal acts.
You need to think thru the implications of the Justice Dept's statement to fully understand what they will still prosecute.
BTW, I just merged 7 other threads into this one. Please look/search for similar threads before starting a new one. thanks!
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sensimilla13
If you are talking about the WA state raids then I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. The group of businesses raided were all owned by the same crooked asshole...who's been under indictment for over a year for scamming people out of their property...ILLEGALLY. Then used that money to fund cannabis businesses...so if yu read the article then you will see this scumbag still falls under the 8 areas to continue enforcement. This dude deserved it!
This will get too big too fast to stop it I think!
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sensimilla13
You are on the money Skip! Most businesses here in WA state are either "above board" and self regulating to be more strict than the laws require...then there are the money hungry greedy people who rake in $ hand over fist but get forced to close or busted.
It really is great here...follow the rules and you get left alone!
Cheers
It really is great here...follow the rules and you get left alone!
Cheers
That might actually be a good policy, to get the criminal gangs out of the biz entirely!
Then law abiding cannabizes can have much greater success without illegal competition.
That is where the Feds need to focus their energy. Leave all the small timers alone!
Of course the next step should be full legalization, but of course we know better.
Too many special interests still involved in prohibition. But the tide has definitely changed now.
And I doubt that any party in power will try to turn back the clock. Too many ppl use it now, too many legal bizes now, many canna-lobbyists too.
Wait till they see how much TAX REVENUE gets generated, esp. locally. Politicians will be against prohibition too.
Tobacco, Alcohol, Prison Industry, Big Pharma will still be against it, at least until Big Pharma comes out with cannameds.
BTW, this is a HUGE victory for States Rights!
Then law abiding cannabizes can have much greater success without illegal competition.
That is where the Feds need to focus their energy. Leave all the small timers alone!
Of course the next step should be full legalization, but of course we know better.
Too many special interests still involved in prohibition. But the tide has definitely changed now.
And I doubt that any party in power will try to turn back the clock. Too many ppl use it now, too many legal bizes now, many canna-lobbyists too.
Wait till they see how much TAX REVENUE gets generated, esp. locally. Politicians will be against prohibition too.
Tobacco, Alcohol, Prison Industry, Big Pharma will still be against it, at least until Big Pharma comes out with cannameds.
BTW, this is a HUGE victory for States Rights!
Dunno that the tobacco & alcohol guys will be against it when they can just buy in. Pharma is hard to say, and the prison industrial complex's position is obvious, even though well toked inmates are easier to manage.
And I'm not a big fan of "States" Rights" in general.
This is the only example of it not being the battle cry for some form of oppression or another, from Jim Crow to "Strict voter ID" to women's rights to gay marriage to you name it.
Be careful what you wish for when talking about States' Rights.
Exactly so. Ms. States' Rights is a hot blonde who looks mighty fine near a greenhouse... but she also has very sharp teeth in all the wrong places.
Great news! More states likely to change pot rules, both sides say
Here's news from Dec. 5, 1933: "The 21st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is ratified, repealing the 18th Amendment and bringing an end to the era of national prohibition of alcohol in America. At 5:32 p.m. EST, Utah became the 36th state to ratify the amendment, achieving the requisite three-fourths majority of states' approval. Pennsylvania and Ohio had ratified it earlier in the day."
Here's news from Dec. 5, 1933: "The 21st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is ratified, repealing the 18th Amendment and bringing an end to the era of national prohibition of alcohol in America. At 5:32 p.m. EST, Utah became the 36th state to ratify the amendment, achieving the requisite three-fourths majority of states' approval. Pennsylvania and Ohio had ratified it earlier in the day."
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Tumpuh
Without states rights none of this would be happening.. ROFL WTF are you talking about.. "Beware of states rights".....one of the most deluded, uninformed things i've ever heard in my life. Must be an Obama supporter lmao.
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Tumpuh
Bwaahahaha!
we shall see. feds r fukin liars!
Perhaps you'd care to offer other instances where States' Rights haven't been used for one repressive measure or another. I listed several.
Probably not, huh?
Like I said, it cuts both ways, usually the wrong way, like this-
http://blog.norml.org/2011/05/16/alternet-the-five-worst-states-to-get-busted-with-pot/
Obama supporter? vs what viable alternative? Mitt, the choice of the authoritarian lootocracy?
Try to imagine how a modern Repub admin would react to all of this, then get back to me about being delusional, OK?
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Tumpuh
As I suspected.. an Obama supporter and a close-minded one at that.. Still living within the duopoly I see.. Not one to highjack threads, so I will just say this: I suggest you go and read the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and Federalist papers and form an understanding of the principles this country was founded on.. one of them first and foremost, being states rights.. Enjoy
Jhhnn has a point, I'm in Arizona and cardholders don't have much rights now as dispensaries took over and 90%+ patients can't grow (there is an injunction on the way hopefully for that and a Democratic judge who's famous for making Gov. Jan Brewer brew). Isn't Jhhnn in Colorado?! Depends on the state.
But yes it's the states DEFINITELY not the feds that will get us there eventually. The feds will just finalize it.
But yes it's the states DEFINITELY not the feds that will get us there eventually. The feds will just finalize it.
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Folate
This is a great day toward the end of modern prohibition.
This situation reminds me a lot of when baseball was integrated and the negro leagues were dismantled. Segregation was terrible, integration of the major leagues was inevitable. But the way it was done, with the rich white owners of the major league teams raiding the rosters of the black owned teams without compensation until the leagues were destroyed. In ten years the Negro Leagues vanished.
The guys that weren't stars, the managers, coaches, employees, none of the major league teams wanted anything to do with them. The same racists still owned everything made all the decisions, made all the money.
The same thing is happening now in the growing world. The small ma and pa growers that made the cannabis industry what it is are going to be driven out by the states and capitalists that profited from prohibition and will now profit from legalization. As a small backyard grower I have no idea what my next move should be.
The guys that weren't stars, the managers, coaches, employees, none of the major league teams wanted anything to do with them. The same racists still owned everything made all the decisions, made all the money.
The same thing is happening now in the growing world. The small ma and pa growers that made the cannabis industry what it is are going to be driven out by the states and capitalists that profited from prohibition and will now profit from legalization. As a small backyard grower I have no idea what my next move should be.
I knew things changed for ever last year when the cops came to my house because of an idiot. They smelled the harvest drying. "It's medical." "ok." Didn't even ask to see my paperwork. Didn't even look to see how much it was. On one hand, it is great, on the other, I should of gone to jail for being careless.
I've never grown for a profit, just cost. Maybe some beer money. But now, what do I do? Quit? Start a business? I feel like any money I invest now in my grow I'm throwing away. I am confused.
I've never grown for a profit, just cost. Maybe some beer money. But now, what do I do? Quit? Start a business? I feel like any money I invest now in my grow I'm throwing away. I am confused.
