U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

[Harry Gypsna]

Snowden: UK government now leaking documents about itself

The NSA whistleblower says: 'I have never spoken with, worked with, or provided any journalistic materials to the Independent'

I lost all respect for the Independent when they reversed their pro Cannabis position, and went along with the same line of cherry-picked, mis-interpreted and exaggerated data regarding Cannabis and mental health, as the Daily Fail/Wail/Heil, resulting in them printing "Cannabis-an apology"

 

[bentom187]

I lost all respect for the Independent when they reversed their pro Cannabis position, and went along with the same line of cherry-picked, mis-interpreted and exaggerated data regarding Cannabis and mental health, as the Daily Fail/Wail/Heil, resulting in them printing "Cannabis-an apology"

more independent media is needed. I don't really follow to many foreign papers online, except the guardian lately.
but what you describe is the same thing we have over here. media that is bought and paid for by the state.
not too much we can do except watch or read something else to boycott their BS.

hit them where it hurts, in the wallet.

 

[OrganicBuds]

silly comment imo, this crap has nothing to do with skin color.

What country have you been following? Take your blinders off man.

 

[resinryder]

Look at Japan for another example. There are not a lot of gay people there, and will never be as it would never be accepted by Japanese. But there ARE a lot of FREAKS though. That place is home of the craziest sexual perversions on the planet. "

You say that like a bukkake party is a bad thing?

 

[Harry Gypsna]

but what you describe is the same thing we have over here. media that is bought and paid for by the state.
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You've got that backwards, it is the owners of the media and their chums who have the state bought and paid for.

 

[bentom187]

the state has always used media like radio and TV and news papers as implements of propaganda. the agenda is the state's. They even allow or band certain channels and news outlets from the air because the state controls the medium in which it is distributed(FCC ect..) .

If they don't go along, then the station or program is denied. Judge Napolitano did have his own show now he does not, coincidentally ,i'm sure/sarc. it was during the 2012 election when ron paul was gaining steam during or right before ron paul won iowa.i forgot it took a while for the real results to come out on the media outlet.

Rich people cant dominate anything ,without the state.

2012 ELECTIONS RIGGED BY MEDIA BLACKOUT OF RON PAUL
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What Is Regulatory Capture?
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and the classic example ....

Joseph Goebbels

Paul Joseph Goebbels (German: [ˈɡœbəls] ( listen);[1] 29 October 1897 – 1 May 1945) was a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. As one of Adolf Hitler's closest associates and most devout followers, he was known for his zealous orations and deep and virulent antisemitism, which led him to support the extermination of the Jews and to be one of the mentors of the Final Solution.

Goebbels earned a PhD from Heidelberg University in 1921, writing his doctoral thesis on 19th century romantic drama; he then went on to work as a journalist and later a bank clerk and caller on the stock exchange. He also wrote novels and plays, which were rejected by publishers. Goebbels came into contact with the National Socialist German Worker's Party (NSDAP) or Nazi Party in 1923 during the French occupation of the Ruhr and became a member in 1924. He was appointed Gauleiter (regional party leader) of Berlin. In this position, he put his propaganda skills to full use, combating the Social Democratic Party of Germany and Communist Party of Germany and seeking to gain their working class supporters. Goebbels despised capitalism, viewing it as having Jews at its core, and he stressed the need for the Nazis to emphasize both a proletarian and national character.[2] By 1928, he had risen in the party ranks to become one of its most prominent members.

EDIT:i actually caught a piece of propaganda in this Wikipedia article, the Nazi's were the national socialists(fascist), so he would have been for them not against them.

fascism

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

here is a book I read, I goes through psychological warfare and how it is conducted.
Mind Manipulation: Ancient and Modern Ninja Techniques

 

[gaiusmarius]

i tend to agree with Harry, it's the private banker families, the few royals left and other very rich and in the shadows type of guys that found foundations to achieve their aims and those foundations are used to fund think tanks and ngo's all over the planet fighting for all their pet causes, be it revolution here or or social change there. but they are the ones who own the hidden shares in the fed and all the other central banks. the gov officials are their servants. they are the owners of the wolds biggest corporations. some of them have the rep of saints till you look with a microscope and follow the rabbit hole a bit. bill and melinda gates are more well known members of this elite, many of the current batch of nut jobs in politics are doing what they do because they know the score. play the game, support the powers that be and you will be thanked and maybe even induced in to their ranks. those that have super bunkers ready with hydroponic gardens and generators with years of stores of food water and fuel. the biggest joke is that these folks consider the rest of us to be trash, not fit to live. no matter how much you suck up to them you can't be one of them unless you have incredible wealth or are born into the right family.

 

[Hydrosun]

bill and melinda gates are more well known members of this elite,

the biggest joke is that these folks consider the rest of us to be trash, not fit to live. no matter how much you suck up to them you can't be one of them unless you have incredible wealth or are born into the right family.

Well there is the paradox. Bill Gates wasn't born into it, he earned it and then some. Sure he is now corrupted and part of it but he actually built something. 95% of his elite club were nothing more than sperm that hit the target.

 

[gaiusmarius]

yeah he's the incredible wealth exception they will make if you are like minded to them and see the so called big picture the same way they do, ie. the little people are expendable.

 

[bentom187]

i tend to agree with Harry, it's the private banker families, the few royals left and other very rich and in the shadows type of guys that found foundations to achieve their aims and those foundations are used to fund think tanks and ngo's all over the planet fighting for all their pet causes, be it revolution here or or social change there. but they are the ones who own the hidden shares in the fed and all the other central banks. the gov officials are their servants. they are the owners of the wolds biggest corporations. some of them have the rep of saints till you look with a microscope and follow the rabbit hole a bit. bill and melinda gates are more well known members of this elite, many of the current batch of nut jobs in politics are doing what they do because they know the score. play the game, support the powers that be and you will be thanked and maybe even induced in to their ranks. those that have super bunkers ready with hydroponic gardens and generators with years of stores of food water and fuel. the biggest joke is that these folks consider the rest of us to be trash, not fit to live. no matter how much you suck up to them you can't be one of them unless you have incredible wealth or are born into the right family.

I agree too.i just don't think government will turn down free credit to regulate the banks, the ones who issue the credit.It is the most heavily regulated market already and it has done nothing to reform them.
its best IMO to let people decide what they want to use,and decentralize the banks, and vote with their money on what products they like and the ones they don't. It will produce more choices through competition ,which means better products at a cheaper costs and if people have bad business practices they will likely not make money.
I have never met anyone who hates paying less for stuff.

gold and silver have worked for thousands of years its a good starting point. Not to mention its our constitutional money.

 

[trichrider]

Remote Neural Monitoring : A Technology Used For Controlling Human Brain

HAVE you ever thought about something you never shared with anyone, and have been horror-struck at the mere thought of someone coming to know about your little secret? If you have, then you probably have all the more reason to be paranoid now thanks to new and improved security systems being developed around the world to deal with terrorism that inadvertently end up impinging on one's privacy.

Some of the countries involved in such programmes include USA, UK, Spain, Germany and France. Recently, the National Security Agency (NSA) of the US has developed a very efficient method of controlling the human brain. This technology is called Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM) and is expected to revolutionise crime detection and investigation.

read more: http://brainhacked.blogspot.com/

thought you could think?

 

[frito bandito]

Nobody "Becomes" Gay, you either are or you are not. There is no choice involved,

I didn't say anything about a "choice."

It is a condition, caused by circumstances.

As for the "Only being gay because society won't let you be a real manly man" thing, I say Poppycock. Some of the most macho cultures in ancient History had lots man love going on. Many of the ancient Greek Tribes positively revered it. The Spartans were notorious for their widespread arse-fuckery.

And where are those people today? lol. They died out. Why?

It must have escaped your attention that the examples you brought up support my argument, not yours. Look at my last post, re-read my argument, and notice how it applies perfectly to such "hyper macho" societies. There are only so many "dominant" places in a given social order. Those who cannot be dominant men, often become submissive lady-men.

It works exactly like plant genetics. Like how if you have 10 cannabis seedlings, under certain conditions most will turn out female, but under stressful conditions many will turn male instead. That's exactly what I'm talking about here. When a "man" grows up thinking he's a girl it's because of these external factors (social, environmental) influencing his genetic development in that direction.

Explain Rock Hudson (My grannies heart-throb), a well known "Power Bottom" surreptitiously taking it up the wrong un in a time when Men were definitely "still Men"

You seem to have a black and white view of the world. This country has been sliding down the road to fascism for a long, long time, since the 1860s at least. How in the world are you going to point to a time 40-50 years ago as if the situation then was anything close to "normal"?

Your pet theory, does not count as fact, no matter how long and hard (sniggers to self at unintentional double entendre) you have thought about it, until you have some real measurable, repeatable evidence to back it up with.

Oh yeah? And where would I find such "measurable, repeatable evidence"?

So I'm wrong just because you say I am, unless I can quote articles from 37 different peer reviewed journals saying I'm right?

Obviously I can't explain to you how I know what I know, as you have a different thought process, your mind is made up, and statistically speaking, you probably aren't even capable of understanding even if I did take the time to explain to you. I don't care because it's irrelevant whether you believe me or not. The truth of the world remains the same no matter who believes it.

The idea that homosexuality/transgender are mental disorders has been tested and shown to be horseshit decades ago.

"Tested"? lol. What tests were conducted and what was the methodology? Perhaps you can point me to 37 different peer reviewed articles whose "tests" conclusively determined that it's completely normal for 1 in 3 "modern" men to be flaming homos, or so sissified that they might as well be women.

My friend killed himself at 15 because some people can't just get the fuck over it. Don't like Gay sex? Don't have it.

Now we get to the heart of your "argument." It all boils down to this: you're pissed because you think I'm some gay hater who is hating on your suicidal best friend. Except that's not the case. I don't give a shit how he or anyone else chooses to live their lives.

The reason we have so many people "Becoming" gay now is because we in most of the Western world no longer burn them alive, put them in prison, or force them to undergo lobotomies and electro-shock therapy to "Cure" them.

Wrong. Saudi Arabia has some of the most oppressive anti-gay laws on the planet....and yet it is practically overflowing with homos. I wonder why that is? (Actually I don't, as I fully understand why, but maybe it will give you pause for thought.)

This is not a gay/anti-gay thread; I only stated my opinion earlier that I don't give a shit what sex Bradley Manning thinks he is, he's still a hero and no I'm not calling him a her. There was NO need to blow this up into a big argument. If you want to argue about this please do it in a PM or other thread. Back on topic....

 

[Harry Gypsna]

I didn't say anything about a "choice."

It is a condition, caused by circumstances.



And where are those people today? lol. They died out. Why?

Of course it totally escaped your attention that the examples you brought up support my argument, not yours. Re-read my last post, look at my argument, and notice how it applies perfectly to such "hyper macho" societies. There are only so many places "on top" in the social order. Those who cannot be dominant men, often become submissive lady-men.



You seem to have a really black and white view of the world. This country has been sliding down the road to fascism for a long, long time, since the 1860s at least. How in the world are you going to point to a time 40-50 years ago as if the situation then was anything close to "normal"?



Oh yeah? And where would I find such "measurable, repeatable evidence"?

So I'm wrong just because you say I am, unless I can quote articles from 37 different peer reviewed journals saying I'm right?

Obviously I can't explain to you how I know what I know, as you have a different thought process, your mind is made up, and you probably aren't even capable of understanding even if I did take the time to explain to you. I don't care because it's irrelevant whether you believe me or not. The truth of the world remains the same no matter who believes it.



"Tested"? lol. What tests were conducted and what was the methodology? Perhaps you can point me to 37 different peer reviewed articles whose "tests" conclusively determined that it's completely normal for 1 in 3 "modern" men to be flaming homos, or so sissified that they might as well be women.



Now we get to the heart of your argument. It all boils down to this: you're pissed because you think I'm some gay hater who is hating on your suicidal best friend. Except that's not the case. I don't give a shit how he or anyone else chooses to live their lives.



Wrong. Saudi Arabia has some of the most oppressive anti-gay laws on the planet....and yet it is practically overflowing with homos. I wonder why that is? (Actually I don't, as I fully understand why, but maybe it will give you pause for thought.)

This is not a gay/anti-gay thread; I only stated my opinion earlier and there was NO need to blow this up into a big argument. If you want to argue about this please do it in a PM or other thread. Back on topic....

I'm not trying to start an argument mate, I only responded to your post. I will not respond on this particular subject anymore after this post.
I am not pissed off at you in the slightest, slightly bemused perhaps.
But seriously, Greece fell apart because of "Teh Gayz", really? Warfare and shifting power structures of the day had nothing to do with it, and it all happened because of rimjobs and barebacking.....errr OK.

Re Saudi, indeed, they have the same level of homosexuals as anywhere else (that would be 1in 10 men being "flaming homos" as opposed to the 1 in 3 you mentioned), but they don't have gay bars, pride parades, they have to use TOR to communicate with each other, the Saudi state uses deep packet inspection to track them down and they are routinely executed and tortured in jail.

Of course, I am not the one claiming to have a superior capability to understand, to someone of a different opinion.

Toke it easy mate

 

[bentom187]

Internet Architects Plan Counter-Attack On NSA Snooping

"Not having encryption on the web today is a matter of life and death," is how one member of the Internet Engineering Task Force - IETF (the so-called architects of the web) described the current situation. As the FT reports, the IETF have started to fight back against US and UK snooping programs by drawing up an ambitious plan to defend traffic over the world wide web against mass surveillance. The proposal is a system in which all communication between websites and browsers would be shielded by encryption. While the plan is at an early stage, it has the potential to transform a large part of the internet and make it more difficult for governments, companies and criminals to eavesdrop on people as they browse the web. "There has been a complete change in how people perceive the world," since Snowden exposed the NSA's massive surveillance efforts, and while "not a silver bullet," the chief technologist at security firm RSA notes, "anything that improves trust in this digital world is a noble aim."



Via The FT,


Key architects of the internet have started to fight back against US and UK snooping programmes by drawing up an ambitious plan to defend traffic over the world wide web against mass surveillance.



The Internet Engineering Task Force, a body that develops internet standards, has proposed a system in which all communication between websites and browsers would be shielded by encryption.



...



While the plan is at an early stage, it has the potential to transform a large part of the internet and make it more difficult for governments, companies and criminals to eavesdrop on people as they browse the web.



...



“There has been a complete change in how people perceive the world” since whistleblower Edward Snowden disclosed the extent of US surveillance programmes earlier this summer,



...



The IETF push for greater use of encryption comes alongside calls from top internet and privacy groups for fundamental reforms of the laws governing the web. In a letter to the FT published this weekend, top groups including web founder Tim Berners Lee’s World Wide Web Foundation call for a “reform of the status quo” online.



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“Online privacy is being eroded at a breakneck speed by blanket surveillance, and unless steps to reform are taken immediately, the notion of free and secure online communications will be relegated to the annals of history,” they write. “Blanket government surveillance by default, with laws enforced in secret, will always be unacceptable.”



...



at its conference in Berlin this month, IETF members reached “nearly unanimous consensus” on the need to build encryption into the heart of the web,

 

[dagnabit]

i always looked at it like this..

if sexuality is a choice when did you choose?

there was never a point when i woke up one day and thought "id really like to suck a dick today but.... nah id guess ill choose not to"
the idea repulses me.
growing up in new orleans i had ample opertunity to converse with a broad spectrum of sexualities and almost universally it is the same. when a gay dude thinks about eating a box it repulses them. obviously there is a difference in us that is more than choices.

frito when you had an urge to blow a dude what made you choose not to?

 

[frito bandito]

Maybe you should try re-reading every single post I have made in this thread....then you will understand why talking about "choices" is idiocy. I never said anything about anyone choosing anything. That female cannabis plant of yours...what made it decide to be female? Why did its brother decide to be male? Understand that a "decision" WAS made, early on in that plant's life, which has nothing to do with what the plant "thought" and everything to do with what environment the plant grew up in, combined with its specific genetic code.

When you put two male cannabis plants together and make them have sex....are you surprised when the result is no offspring, and the next year you have no cannabis plants?

If you can't understand that there is a damn biological good reason why men and women are men and women....then I don't think you can possibly understand that one state can legitimately be thought of as "normal" while other states are "abnormal."

Now...BACK ON TOPIC.

 

[trichrider]

"HYPNOSIS COMES OF AGE"
by G. H. Estabrooks, PH.D.
Science Digest April, 1971, pp. 44 - 50
Abstract:
This psychologist reminisces about his long career as a hypnotist: how he "programmed" American spies with hypnosis: how he helped businessmen and students with his skills.

Dr. Estabrooks is a Rhodes Scholar. He took his Doctorate at Harvard ('26), and has authored many articles and books on clinical hypnosis and human behavior.

http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/scidig.htm

 

[trichrider]

A METHOD FOR THE REMOTE CONTROL OF
ELECTRICAL STIMULATION OF THE
NERVOUS SYSTEM*

"The germ of a new bio-electric relationship seems to have been
demonstrated by Feser,9 who reports the successful transmission of
radio waves to an exposed nerve-muscle preparation, without the
use of any receiving "pick-up" mechanism other than the nerve itself,
which he believes acts as a dipole antenna. His experiments, which'
deserve more thorough substantiation, may prove useful to analytical
studies of the nervous impulse."

pdf file: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2601137/pdf/yjbm00552-0001.pdf

 

[trichrider]

Stealth Cell Towers

"When one considers the rapid advancements in electromagnetic and psychotronic mind control technology, this trend in utility concealment is rather sinister. If researchers could successfully project human speech into the minds of the deaf, as Dr. Joseph C. Sharp of the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research did in 1974, think of their present capabilities."

"Here is another eye-opening quotation: "Contemporary neuroscience suggests the existence of fundamental algorithms by which all sensory transduction is translated into the intrinsic, brain-specific code. Direct stimulation of these codes within the human temporal or limbic cortices by applied electromagnetic patterns may require energy levels which are within the range of both geomagnetic activity and contemporary communication networks. A process which is coupled to the narrow band of brain temperature could allow all normal human brains to be affected by a sub-harmonic whose frequency range at about 10 Hz would only vary by 0.1 Hz." - On the Possibility of Directly accessing every human brain by electromagnetic induction of fundamental algorithms - by M.A. Persinger, Laurentian University / Perceptual and Motor Skills, June 1995, 80, 791-799. "

http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v308/__show_article/_a000308-000125.htm

"In 2008, Representative Guest said he was slated to meet with U.S. Senator Edward
Kennedy of Massachusetts to discuss concerns about electronic harassment. However, the
meeting was indefinitely postponed after Kennedy was diagnosed with a brain tumor.
In 1975, Senator Kennedy was an outspoken member of the committee that investigated
the Central Intelligence Agency's infamous MK-Ultra mind control experiments. They
involved drug induced hypnOSiS, electronic torture and radio frequency neural contact with
unwitting human targets, some of whom are Vietnam War veterans now suing the U.S.
Government.
The White House and Congress denounced the CIA and banned further mind control
experiments. Yet, many published reports claim the testing never stopped and now the
technology has been perfected. Evidence of that is detailed in a 1992 federal law suit filed
by an NSA "whistleblower" who contends that land-based and space-based technologies can
now isolate a person's individual neural frequencies and can remotely connect to the brain.​

This link, according to the suit, enables synthetic telepathy, manipulates the central nervous system."

http://advancedmediagroup.files.wor...nd-surveillance-ffchs-website-may-19-2009.pdf
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[DrFever]

Remote Neural Monitoring : A Technology Used For Controlling Human Brain

HAVE you ever thought about something you never shared with anyone, and have been horror-struck at the mere thought of someone coming to know about your little secret? If you have, then you probably have all the more reason to be paranoid now thanks to new and improved security systems being developed around the world to deal with terrorism that inadvertently end up impinging on one's privacy.

Some of the countries involved in such programmes include USA, UK, Spain, Germany and France. Recently, the National Security Agency (NSA) of the US has developed a very efficient method of controlling the human brain. This technology is called Remote Neural Monitoring (RNM) and is expected to revolutionise crime detection and investigation.

read more: http://brainhacked.blogspot.com/

thought you could think?

Terrorism is a form of control which USA is good at trying to control for instance lets look at a few things 911 is a good one to think that it was terrorists that did this is ludicrous its was the US government what a better way to start a war yea think ??? USA just can't go starting wars like they used to there being watched by other nations but not only by dropping there own towers they put ppl on there side for war blaming terrorists if you think about it for a second who really is the terrorists i would think America is now with the new home land security which really is a fcking joke they come up with new schemes to scare ppl owe the terorists that plants a bomb inside him self what is this really to scare the public into thinking owe we need them you know if i had someone bother me like usa bothers other nations mostly 3rd world countries which they struggle to even beat in a war like irag lol which they lost that war wouldnt you want to fck them up i mean cmon stay the fck out of other ppls business you will live longer