Buds Bundy
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This would be a good chart to have. Compile a weight chart of products per manufacturer.
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Molasses: When to use?
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This would be a good chart to have. Compile a weight chart of products per manufacturer.
In my garden--adding MO to the regime increases the plant's sap Brix level...regularly by 1 point or so--sometimes as much as 2.5 points (refractometer).
Adding 7-10 days prior to harvest can jack it the plant's sap Brix as well...regularly 0.5-1.5 points. A comparison of usage schedules of most carbohydrate products suggest the same: goodly amount just prior to harvest.
Not saying the plant absorbs sugar from the MO...just saying there is an established cause and effect/relationship between MO and Brix: Brix level of the plant's sap increases after applying MO.
Cheers!
Adding 7-10 days prior to harvest can jack it the plant's sap Brix as well...regularly 0.5-1.5 points. A comparison of usage schedules of most carbohydrate products suggest the same: goodly amount just prior to harvest.
Not saying the plant absorbs sugar from the MO...just saying there is an established cause and effect/relationship between MO and Brix: Brix level of the plant's sap increases after applying MO.
Cheers!
In response to Kustom_AX about Maple syrup -
It's definitely a lot more expensive. I haven't done a side by side and at times I ran maple syrup and molasses. I believe it helps a lot with a few things.
I grew with coco and some solid organics, then I fed with liquid organic nutrients to keep the babies lookin' good and growing nicely. When I near the end of flowering I back off the nutrients except for the maple syrup. Something like tapering off the nutrients over 7 days and then 7 days of just maple syrup. The process is supposed to help the buds finish up. The maple syrup makes it so that even though your plant starts turning pretty colors and looking deficient, it's still growing and producing crystals and maximum rate. Without the syrup the plants seem to stall out easier.
I've used it with the floranova line as well. I had a few other things I added to it as well, even the floranectar. But I won't trust any of that crap as all during my flush time. So I seem to hit a stalling out problem. But I've never done any side by side comparisons. I figure it helps. Maybe it helps an insignificant amount, or maybe it helps a lot. I doubt it hurts, so I always use it. I know that my plants are always rapidly growing. Even with a taper they stall out easy. They get addicted to growing big.
If anybody has any questions I'll answer them. But I definitely want to know if anybody else has any experience or information!
It's definitely a lot more expensive. I haven't done a side by side and at times I ran maple syrup and molasses. I believe it helps a lot with a few things.
I grew with coco and some solid organics, then I fed with liquid organic nutrients to keep the babies lookin' good and growing nicely. When I near the end of flowering I back off the nutrients except for the maple syrup. Something like tapering off the nutrients over 7 days and then 7 days of just maple syrup. The process is supposed to help the buds finish up. The maple syrup makes it so that even though your plant starts turning pretty colors and looking deficient, it's still growing and producing crystals and maximum rate. Without the syrup the plants seem to stall out easier.
I've used it with the floranova line as well. I had a few other things I added to it as well, even the floranectar. But I won't trust any of that crap as all during my flush time. So I seem to hit a stalling out problem. But I've never done any side by side comparisons. I figure it helps. Maybe it helps an insignificant amount, or maybe it helps a lot. I doubt it hurts, so I always use it. I know that my plants are always rapidly growing. Even with a taper they stall out easy. They get addicted to growing big.
If anybody has any questions I'll answer them. But I definitely want to know if anybody else has any experience or information!
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Seal-Clubber
http://www.amazon.com/Organics-HOF0...d=1376584359&sr=1-2&keywords=hi-brix+molasses
here ya go, buddy.
In case you are wondering, I get 5lbs of top-shelf flowers in 30-gallon buckets. I use a combination of Oaktree-leaf compost, perlite, and steer manure. I also use my home brew of death tea. my plants LOVE it!Here is one of my plants, I am standing on a ladder and it is about 7ft tall and 7ft wide with a baseball-bat sized stalk. I expect it to finish around the first week of November with 4-5lbs of flowers. I am in California foothills, October-November harvest is perfect. I am Prop. 215 legal and I have been doing this since 1998!
Btw, I also have the SWEETEST flowers ever! I hop all over the clubs and local bud Traders here in Nor-cal to sample the finest quality in the world for medicinal value, their shit is fucking shwag compared to my sweet candy. Some is MUCH better than others, mine is always the sweetest and best flushed - burns to a soft white ash..
hahaha.. actually, some are really good. I.E. Charlottes Web. (Way to grow, GUYS! Shove that schedule 1 down the fucking DEA mouths. LAWSUIT, LAWSUIT, LAWSUIT!)
Sweet man, you get some monster plants. . . I envy that possibility! Especially doing it legally. Lucky you!
I'm in Europe, Lat 39º. I can only grow in my balcony, totally illegally ahah unfortunatly.
It's only my second grow with autos!
Yeah man, I heard about Charlotte's Web, that's awesome! Awesome history behind it!
You think DEA will ever change the estatus of weed in a near future?
I'm in Europe, Lat 39º. I can only grow in my balcony, totally illegally ahah unfortunatly.
It's only my second grow with autos!
Yeah man, I heard about Charlotte's Web, that's awesome! Awesome history behind it!
You think DEA will ever change the estatus of weed in a near future?
Oh, btw, here's an update on my gals!
I had to bend the candy kush cuz it was getting a mean green gangster lean on me! Don't know why! I really really hope it's just a pre-flower stretch. She can't go over 1,50meters, or i'm screwd!
The candy kush on the left and the auto hash on the right (barely in full flower)
and here's some home made honey comb bho and some shatter. All from Lemon haze trims and some Unknown indica trims.
I had to bend the candy kush cuz it was getting a mean green gangster lean on me! Don't know why! I really really hope it's just a pre-flower stretch. She can't go over 1,50meters, or i'm screwd!
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Seal-Clubber
sweet grow dude! I was there, one day when the law is no longer something to be afraid of, you push to grow that 5lb plant at 39.5 lat(me). When you do, bro.. all smiles.. I have 2 big plants and about 20 small ones for breeding. They are no bigger than 40 seeds/1 or 2 joints. lol
But! it`s legal! ..I was always afraid of the monster in the yard. You have to get lucky to pull that off. Regarding the DEA, I give it less than 10 years and it will hit schedule 2. my guess.
Ahahah, once it's legal, Oh God! imma get 20L pot and grow a monster in my balcony!
Yeah man, really hope the law turns around. Where I live, it is decriminalized, so I can possess, but then the law states nothing about growing or buying for consumption only.
It's a stupid loop-hole.
I've had a pheno of a Original joint dorctor's lowryder that yield a modest 7g
I'm just hoping they copy the policy down in Spain relative to growing for personnal use, and i'm ALL good!
Man i'de love to visit the West Coast! Try some of that cali weeds eheh
Yeah man, really hope the law turns around. Where I live, it is decriminalized, so I can possess, but then the law states nothing about growing or buying for consumption only.
It's a stupid loop-hole.
I've had a pheno of a Original joint dorctor's lowryder that yield a modest 7g
I'm just hoping they copy the policy down in Spain relative to growing for personnal use, and i'm ALL good!
Man i'de love to visit the West Coast! Try some of that cali weeds eheh
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Seal-Clubber
dude.. visit Cali? You live in Spain! Cali is LAME compared to Spain, there are just loop-holes and growers can afford a $2000 lawyer to make the law subside. I visited the Spanish beaches and southern France.. anyway. your plants look great, if you have any issues post something and/or message me, glad to help from across the world!
Thanks man! For sure, I appreciate ur attetion.
I dont live in Spain dude, I live in Portugal, to the left(west) of Spain. Laws are slightly different no cannabis clubs or permit for growing personnal stash . . .
doesn't stop me tho, eheheh.
I wanna visit cali for its rep on weed, surfable beaches and all around life style they portrait.
I lived in Florida (Miami) for a year and I f*cuking detested it. It was awfull man, I was harrassed by police everythime I stepped out of my house! Jesus, its like a pig farm over there! First 2 weeks in and an officer stopped me and wanted to take me down to the police station cuz he had no info on me and "could not verify my identity . . . and found my Portuguese I.D. card strange....DUh! I told him I came from Portugal and he thought it was in Brazil...... :/
I dont live in Spain dude, I live in Portugal, to the left(west) of Spain. Laws are slightly different
no cannabis clubs or permit for growing personnal stash . . . doesn't stop me tho, eheheh.
I wanna visit cali for its rep on weed, surfable beaches and all around life style they portrait.
I lived in Florida (Miami) for a year and I f*cuking detested it. It was awfull man, I was harrassed by police everythime I stepped out of my house! Jesus, its like a pig farm over there! First 2 weeks in and an officer stopped me and wanted to take me down to the police station cuz he had no info on me and "could not verify my identity . . . and found my Portuguese I.D. card strange....DUh! I told him I came from Portugal and he thought it was in Brazil...... :/
@Seal-Clubber
by the way, here's the link to the....well, "official" grow thread on my autos.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=268792
Cheerz!
by the way, here's the link to the....well, "official" grow thread on my autos.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=268792
Cheerz!
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Seal-Clubber
Sort if leaning into the leisure forum now. hahaha..
don`t want to upset a moderate. Anyway, it`s not that great in Cali. We still have asshole bald-headed cops wanting to hurt someones feelings for nothing. The locals don`t respect herb as much as they should. Not many high level colleges North of Davis, in California. lol Love Portugal, man.. totally rad! glad to help a little.
ps... If you visit the beaches, it`s not as good as some. my advise, Check out Lake Tahoe and snowboard, leave and surf the beaches under the moonlight 3 hours later. Weekend Warriors 2k+
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Seal-Clubber
40 hour work week, play hard on the weekends.
= Weekend warrior! drug free - give a little herb. Absolutely agreed. It blows me away to hear about sugars in a res but, aren't many people using this in DTW soiless, too?
I came across this thread while considering using molasses in a DTW Coco set up.
I see the mix rates/weights/etc but can't seem to get definitive information on application?
Excuse me if I am missing something here.
When we are talking about, for example; 126ml/6 gal, is that the final mixture that is then administered to the plants?
Is it sprayed/poured on the soil, pumped through the drip system, etc?
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Seal-Clubber
Ever owned a swimming pool? Light and Heat is your enemy, not a little sugar.
Anyway, that green stuff gets fairly swampy if you dont circulate and and bleach the water. It`s hard to keep the light out when the pool is 20,000gal, in direct sun, and at 90f. lolLight and Heat is your enemy in a hydro setup. Make sure your coco drains well or it will get soggy and with sugar + heat = bad combo.
Ever owned a swimming pool? Light and Heat is your enemy, not a little sugar.
Light and Heat is your enemy in a hydro setup. Make sure your coco drains well or it will get soggy and with sugar + heat = bad combo.
You are correct but, given that these elements (light, at least) can be tricky to completely eliminate from ever coming in contact with your solution...?
A great determining factor as to why you have to use those elements in the traditional swimming pool is that there isn't the "ballast" of bacteria necessary to process the algea blooms and associated organic materials.
Many contemporary solutions are producing systems that to provide this inoculated medium and create a more symbiotic loop (saltwater, marsh integrated, etc).
It just makes me nervous to think about adding something like this without having an integrated bacterial mechanism to process it. I'm picturing those individuals in the past who have said "I can run full organic in a recirculating system with rockwool, no problem, watch me!"
So your saying that it's ok to run say, 15ml gal, directly in the res, if it's fairly well insulated from heat/light?
Heck, my dtw res is decidedly fairly small, anyway. I have to refill it ~3-4 days and it forces me not to be lazy on fresh changes, haha.
Thanks for the reply
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Seal-Clubber
It just makes me nervous to think about adding something like this without having an integrated bacterial mechanism to process it. I'm picturing those individuals in the past who have said "I can run full organic in a recirculating system with rockwool, no problem, watch me!"
Dude!! i`ll watch. Integrated bacterial mechanism within a recirculating system is difficult as hell.. Smart as hell post, brother! Usually with oxygen and 75f+ temps, the bacteria will convert the sugars into vinegar long before the plant can use it. If you can chill the water, it will prevent the bacteria from multiplying quickly. I do not suggest molasses on a DWC / Aero hydro set-up, if you have mastered it, BRAVO!
ps, I would try starting with 20ml per 10 gallons to keep it on the safe side.
lol, I think you may have misunderstood me. I'M not doing organic hydro, but it's funny when I have seen documented attempts and the invariable trailing off of posts and then no replies at all (presumably after their system had a horrific crash!)
I am currently doing DTW in coco and have heard about using the MO. I'd like to give it a try but I just wasn't entirely clear on whether it was supposed to go directly in the res or just be put in the individual pots.
My res stays about 76-78°f and is aerated to the point of almost looking like it's boiling.
I'm currently watering 1 minute/2xday (~200ml/site).
Week 7/10.
