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Carlos Danger
^ This son of a bitch gets it!
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IC 420 Cup 2013 RESULTS!
- Thread starter gaiusmarius
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in the end, the cup is about getting together and sampleing each others buds, the competition is just as a motivator. it's a time where like minded folks hang out enjoying the vibe with good smoke and conversation.
the results are what they are, it's all clear, no one is claiming the results to be based on anything that they are not based on. suggestions for a perfect cup concept are welcomed, specially if you have solutions to how people can judge 10 strains effects in 1 day.
as for the trim, every single contestant was warned in advance that they were gonna be judged on appearance as well as the other 4 categories. so if they can not manage to trim up 33 g to be foto perfect it's not our problem. but like i said feel free to submit your own version of the perfect cannabis cup. just keep the time line in mind and the amount of entries. but i'm specially interested in what categories we should be judging next to the effect, if not visible, smellable and taste able aspects?
or are you saying that we should just not bother at all?
the results are what they are, it's all clear, no one is claiming the results to be based on anything that they are not based on. suggestions for a perfect cup concept are welcomed, specially if you have solutions to how people can judge 10 strains effects in 1 day.
as for the trim, every single contestant was warned in advance that they were gonna be judged on appearance as well as the other 4 categories. so if they can not manage to trim up 33 g to be foto perfect it's not our problem. but like i said feel free to submit your own version of the perfect cannabis cup. just keep the time line in mind and the amount of entries. but i'm specially interested in what categories we should be judging next to the effect, if not visible, smellable and taste able aspects?
or are you saying that we should just not bother at all?
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Carlos Danger
I think we're both saying it's all a lot of fun, but given the constraints of judging that many samples in a day you shouldn't take the results of the cup super seriously.
If we were going to talk about the *perfect* cup, I don't know that perfect is possible, especially with prohibition. If this damn plant were legal you could draw up a list of judges, send them their full package a month before hand, and give the appropriate time to handle 20 or 30 entries.
I hope I'm not coming off too negatively. I was there for this year's cup and I'm not suggesting it be canned or even changed. Just wanted to discuss the inherent issues a cup entails. Your work putting things together was much appreciated.
If we were going to talk about the *perfect* cup, I don't know that perfect is possible, especially with prohibition. If this damn plant were legal you could draw up a list of judges, send them their full package a month before hand, and give the appropriate time to handle 20 or 30 entries.
I hope I'm not coming off too negatively. I was there for this year's cup and I'm not suggesting it be canned or even changed. Just wanted to discuss the inherent issues a cup entails. Your work putting things together was much appreciated.
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Karma Genetics
Ha ha just checked what people voting score's on there own and there votes on people i know they reconized the entry's ha ha.
some people showing there treu colours.
Always nice info, seperating the Keep it reals from the talkers.
Love how the organization Keeps all numbers open to view for us all.
some people showing there treu colours.
Always nice info, seperating the Keep it reals from the talkers.
Love how the organization Keeps all numbers open to view for us all.
besthaze
Active member
@Karma Genetics
ahahah I saw the same shit a lot of time, man!
But as u know: in any time, in any place, always there're this kind of person...
I speak a lot of time of you with Dr.Penthotal, I'd very happy to meet u!
@lemongrove & Carlos Danger
the matter you're discussing is very important for me, too!
But you've to understand the format of this Cup, many of your ideas are good but unapplicable in a few days!
Me & Dr.Penthotal are surely two of the guys who lost points 4 the appearence category, but, we knew the rules before and we accepted it.
In particular 4 you, lemongrove, I don't absolutly agree with your affirmation when u write:
"I see breeders describe their strains with all of these flavors and make no comment on the effect" and "immediate effects, what the high is like for the length of the high, what the come down is like, are their any negative side effects( paranoia, hang over, racing heart rate, headache, too much lung expansion, harshness, sore throat, does it just knock you out, does it make you lethargic)"
...man, the principal effect (relaxing or exciting) is always describible but what you write about length of the high, come down of it, negative effects, and other stuff...I think you wrong!
All of these are strictly related to the person! How can I know your level of addiction and tollerance for the cannabinoids or, specifically, for the specific mix of cannabinoids who generate my strain (or better the selected plant of this one) ... it's simply impossible.
How you could note the matter is more complex again...
I agree to you write about all the other informations as cure, work with alchool, extc ... but this is a Cup, I think is not the right place to discuss about these stuff...sure it's interesting and more, fundamental, to really understand and grow a plant to the best!
And I'm sure, you WRONG, when u wrote "I put no weight on the results"!
This is not the right post to write This!!!
In this post are analyzed the results in their complex! How u can write this?!!?
Finally, for me too (and I'm a professional grower), many aspects of the Cup let me perplexed but I don't like read who for somebody my hard grow-work (and the number who certificate it) have no weight!
GO TO Read https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=261448 here are analized all tha results for all the category...sure you'll note that the numbers in their complex aren't confutable...
For more u have not even mentioned something about the full spectrum CaNNaBinoids-test, or (the most important thing 4 me) when is the medium (soil, water, cocco) and the method (mineral, organic, only water) of cultivation 4 the grass in competition!
I think that ThE TeST and the specification of cultivation should be included 4 the next CuP.
Obviously nothing personal, guyz, u have touched a open nerve 4 me!
GooD VibeS 4 all
ahahah I saw the same shit a lot of time, man!
But as u know: in any time, in any place, always there're this kind of person...
I speak a lot of time of you with Dr.Penthotal, I'd very happy to meet u!
@lemongrove & Carlos Danger
the matter you're discussing is very important for me, too!
But you've to understand the format of this Cup, many of your ideas are good but unapplicable in a few days!
Me & Dr.Penthotal are surely two of the guys who lost points 4 the appearence category, but, we knew the rules before and we accepted it.
In particular 4 you, lemongrove, I don't absolutly agree with your affirmation when u write:
"I see breeders describe their strains with all of these flavors and make no comment on the effect" and "immediate effects, what the high is like for the length of the high, what the come down is like, are their any negative side effects( paranoia, hang over, racing heart rate, headache, too much lung expansion, harshness, sore throat, does it just knock you out, does it make you lethargic)"
...man, the principal effect (relaxing or exciting) is always describible but what you write about length of the high, come down of it, negative effects, and other stuff...I think you wrong!
All of these are strictly related to the person! How can I know your level of addiction and tollerance for the cannabinoids or, specifically, for the specific mix of cannabinoids who generate my strain (or better the selected plant of this one) ... it's simply impossible.
How you could note the matter is more complex again...
I agree to you write about all the other informations as cure, work with alchool, extc ... but this is a Cup, I think is not the right place to discuss about these stuff...sure it's interesting and more, fundamental, to really understand and grow a plant to the best!
And I'm sure, you WRONG, when u wrote "I put no weight on the results"!
This is not the right post to write This!!!
In this post are analyzed the results in their complex! How u can write this?!!?
Finally, for me too (and I'm a professional grower), many aspects of the Cup let me perplexed but I don't like read who for somebody my hard grow-work (and the number who certificate it) have no weight!
GO TO Read https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=261448 here are analized all tha results for all the category...sure you'll note that the numbers in their complex aren't confutable...
For more u have not even mentioned something about the full spectrum CaNNaBinoids-test, or (the most important thing 4 me) when is the medium (soil, water, cocco) and the method (mineral, organic, only water) of cultivation 4 the grass in competition!
I think that ThE TeST and the specification of cultivation should be included 4 the next CuP.
Obviously nothing personal, guyz, u have touched a open nerve 4 me!
GooD VibeS 4 all
i was thinking of doing some kind of analyses of the samples, for thc and cbd content. but in the end i couldn't take it on myself as i really had enough to do and i didnt find anyone else willing to do it. how much product do you need to have it analyzed? one guy i emailed, if he was interested in testing the samples, just tried to sell me a bunch of self testing kits. but i really like the idea. anyone that has suggestions about actually getting it done when the time comes feel free to let me know or post here.
Canna are the people you want to speak to G, they run the GC at Spannabis every year, it might be possible to blag them to help out with the 420. IIRC they do 50+ odd samples over the 3 day show, great people.
Re the arguments I over people scoring their own, or close buddies weed, that I predicted and we argued about before.... This is exactly why we should have averaged these scores as we did the year before, it just provokes trouble and serves zero positive purpose. Now you and others have got your head around the Average Scoring and the fact that there is no disadvantage, we should sort this out with Skip well in advance.
Likewise the categories, everybody + their dog was left confused by the doubling up of categories, we saw Seed Co's entering in Private, and vice versa, it just lowered the bar and caused confusion and unhappiness because nobody really understood why.
To answer lemongrove, in a cup you cannot assess all the factors, but you can see what weed gets noticed and popular amongst 50 entries and 50 judges, it is a great way to see through all the BS and hype, especially when the same names crop up time and time again in the list of winners... in a blind cup.
For Besthaze and Dr P, some of the guys were talking about having a whip round and buying you two some scissors...
For Besthaze and Dr P, some of the guys were talking about having a whip round and buying you two some scissors...
man oh man you don't let things go eh? tell me who else was against the categories set up as they were? i believe Browser did have some worries. but every single other person i asked about this, understood my thinking on the categories and liked the way it was done.
to make it really correct we are gonna make it so you can not vote for your own anymore. it will make no difference as the winners are decided by the highest average score, not the highest point number. there is no need to average individual scores that way. results will remain unaffected by the entrants own vote, which is all that matters.
to make it really correct we are gonna make it so you can not vote for your own anymore. it will make no difference as the winners are decided by the highest average score, not the highest point number. there is no need to average individual scores that way. results will remain unaffected by the entrants own vote, which is all that matters.
Well, because if you think everything through carefully, you minimise the risk of problems.. Likewise, being very clear so nobody gets things wrong. You have contradicted yourself with "there is no need to average individual scores that way." because this is exactly what you have just agreed to do "to make it really correct".
Also, nobody else can explain who can enter what category, people were confused and there was no logical or clear explanation before, during or after. It was a fudge. Who apart from G understands which category you can enter ?
what ever, you know what i'm saying. no one will need to have their score averaged, if we just ignore a judges score on his own entry. but yes in the end the average score is what will count. i'm not attached to the elite clone and seed grown category. go back to breeder and grower for all i care, why not have breeders competing elite clones against seed lines, it makes perfect sense. not.
maybe to you it's not logical, but to me it's logical to have elite clone only strains competing with other elite clone only strains, while seed lines should compete with other seed lines. but in the end the scores tell the story, what ever category something was entered in. so if you don't like the way they were categorized you can re do it yourself and see what the outcome would have been. all the numbers are there. how ever you want to use them is up to you.
maybe to you it's not logical, but to me it's logical to have elite clone only strains competing with other elite clone only strains, while seed lines should compete with other seed lines. but in the end the scores tell the story, what ever category something was entered in. so if you don't like the way they were categorized you can re do it yourself and see what the outcome would have been. all the numbers are there. how ever you want to use them is up to you.
I loved it, thanks for all the hard work and effort gaius, cant wait till next time.
Peace
Peace
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Hazyfontazy
i missed it and still loved it
,,,,great job done by gaius and all who helped ,,looking at flights now,, already booked rooms so i dont miss next year ,,
besthaze
Active member
Hi guys,
I'm understanding we're a lot of people interested to get the better as possible the Cup format...
I wan't discuss about the separation of GROWER & BREEDER categories...
I simply think that all the stuff we propose are simply weed...
Better, we should discuss about THE METHOD (overal: medium of cultivation and enrichment) through which the different samples have been cultivated!
Because I'm sure, and I speak without fear to be contradicted, this is the most important factors to speak about THE Weed's QUALITY!
Hoping to be helpful
I'm understanding we're a lot of people interested to get the better as possible the Cup format...
I wan't discuss about the separation of GROWER & BREEDER categories...
I simply think that all the stuff we propose are simply weed...
Better, we should discuss about THE METHOD (overal: medium of cultivation and enrichment) through which the different samples have been cultivated!
Because I'm sure, and I speak without fear to be contradicted, this is the most important factors to speak about THE Weed's QUALITY!
Hoping to be helpful
so you suggesting a organic grown category and a hydro category?
then have sub categories of indi, sat and maybe hybrid?
then have sub categories of indi, sat and maybe hybrid?
This is how the HTCC and Highlife do it, organic separated from Hydro. I agree with Besthaze, and others, the clone/seed separation is just wrong. This year, IIRC, a seed OG [flowerbomb] beat "the best" clone only OG [triangle], both grown by seed co's, but one was entered in the "private" category... it makes no sense to anybody and thus, is the source of discord, unwanted and unnecessary arguments.
Hybrid is a nono, almost all the Sativas entered are not 100% pure, the 80, 90% plants like Amnesia, SLH win because they have some Indica, pure sats need a lot more time to assess IMO, and lack the knockout slap that will get noticed under cup conditions. I have pure Sativas that I have not entered for just this reason. Panama and Malawi to name 2. Kali Mist I would enter, C99 x Haze I did enter...
Likewise, almost nobody enters pure Indicas, lots of Indica Dom, so just separate into Indica [dom] and Sativa [dom]
wtf you talking about, flower bomb was not entered in the grower category. it was entered in the breeder category. triangle kush was a clone only grower category.
in the end you are the only one who is confused about the separation we did last year. every entrant knew exactly what the plan was and where they were entering.
while some people might like the idea of hydro and organic categories, i'm not so sure the vendors will appreciate losing their category. but to me that's a detail, as i said if one wanted to compare them differently one could easily do that using the numbers that are published.
in a way i'm intrigued by having a hydro and organic category, there is not much point in being dishonest about those aspects of ones entry so thats good. of course you will not be sure the organic grown stuff has really been only treated with organic products, but still might be interesting.
i think the best thing would be to make a poll again and let the majority decide which concept they want. i will not even suggest anything as i don't care, i will get all the information (numbers) to find out everything i want to know, how ever they are divided into categories. so please bring your concrete proposal to the table and we can see which categories people want.
in the end you are the only one who is confused about the separation we did last year. every entrant knew exactly what the plan was and where they were entering.
while some people might like the idea of hydro and organic categories, i'm not so sure the vendors will appreciate losing their category. but to me that's a detail, as i said if one wanted to compare them differently one could easily do that using the numbers that are published.
in a way i'm intrigued by having a hydro and organic category, there is not much point in being dishonest about those aspects of ones entry so thats good. of course you will not be sure the organic grown stuff has really been only treated with organic products, but still might be interesting.
i think the best thing would be to make a poll again and let the majority decide which concept they want. i will not even suggest anything as i don't care, i will get all the information (numbers) to find out everything i want to know, how ever they are divided into categories. so please bring your concrete proposal to the table and we can see which categories people want.
Hey guys,
Wow, you're really getting ready early this year
Mostly Indica or Sativa, sound like a reasonable separation.
Organic vs Hydro, I can see why, but how to be sure it is what they say it is? It's hard enough with some of the entries sometimes, to know if they're mostly indica or sativa... If I pee on them, is that still organic? or it that completely "no amendments"? How about some guano in the soil?
Growers vs breeders, seems like fun playground, but it can also be compared with the scores later on.
... But all these categories are pretty much useless, until you actually have the entries with you and can get an idea of how you can divide them.
... And then you have those last minute, late entries... Seriously people!
as if running around collecting grinders, stinking up a whole building and making judge packs was not difficult enough. Get you shit ready on time! 
Anyways, enough ranting. Due to the circumstances the Cup is slightly different each year, showing us that there're things that we could have done better, and other things that turned out better than expected. The Cup is as unpredictable as the people who attend it
For next year, there're some funds already, experience has grown, and you guys are talking about it early, which is good. But to make decisions here and now is a bit hasty.
Unless of course, you want to get the teams ready, in which case I would suggest you get a (private) room.
B
Wow, you're really getting ready early this year
Mostly Indica or Sativa, sound like a reasonable separation.
Organic vs Hydro, I can see why, but how to be sure it is what they say it is? It's hard enough with some of the entries sometimes, to know if they're mostly indica or sativa... If I pee on them, is that still organic? or it that completely "no amendments"? How about some guano in the soil?
Growers vs breeders, seems like fun playground, but it can also be compared with the scores later on.
... But all these categories are pretty much useless, until you actually have the entries with you and can get an idea of how you can divide them.
... And then you have those last minute, late entries... Seriously people!
as if running around collecting grinders, stinking up a whole building and making judge packs was not difficult enough. Get you shit ready on time! Anyways, enough ranting. Due to the circumstances the Cup is slightly different each year, showing us that there're things that we could have done better, and other things that turned out better than expected. The Cup is as unpredictable as the people who attend it
For next year, there're some funds already, experience has grown, and you guys are talking about it early, which is good. But to make decisions here and now is a bit hasty.
Unless of course, you want to get the teams ready, in which case I would suggest you get a (private) room.
B
