Smokin's Vertical Cabs

[SmokinErb]

Oh, wow. It's been a month since I've updated this. I got way too many threads going on too many forums, heh.

I've taken down 3 plants so far.

1 was the OG pheno, which was growing like shit, not ready but whatever. She wont even get cured, gonna be smoking on her while the rest of the shit gets a proper dry and cure.

Took down #8 (my initial favorite) at 8.5 weeks with 10% amber trich.

Took down #11 as well @ 9 weeks. Little bit early, but I needed to clear some space for Biker Kush and I need some financial help, sooner rather than later. Selected this one for re-veg.

2 more Biker Le blanc and the Rom x Biker are still in flower, along wtih Biker Kush. These will go another week or two and harvested at the proper time.

Yields could be improved with a monocropped run. But most phenos are nice yielding producing thick dense nugs. Some good nug stacking here and there as well.


Initial favorite that I took down at 8.5 wks:

Still flowering:

Also, biker kush is getting they're first 12-hour dark period today. Give Anonymous some more room and germinating Cheesy Rider for the next round.

 

[soursmoker]

Looks nice bro!

 

[SmokinErb]

Realizing I may have made a mistake. Recently had a few lights-off interruptions. Not really a huge deal for me at the end of flowering... seen a single nanner on one of the Biker Le Blanc (user fault, for sure...) and I'm a little concerned about potential pollen from the other plants hitting Biker.

Should have used the other cab. Not a wise choice on my part. Didn't think about it until this morning. Figure I could just give biker kush a good spraying with water daily for a week until I pull the rest of the Biker le blanc out. Should prevent the girls from making seed.

 

[SmokinErb]

Gonna fix my inability to run a clone-factory.

Picked up everything I need for a DIY ez-cloner today. Will be putting it together and taking cuts tonight or tomorrow.

Didn't really follow-up on the rest of the Biker Le Blanc grow. It's completely harvested.... some really good smoke in these girls... but typical OG-type branching makes growing them vert too much of a PITA for me to keep around.

I found the quality I want in one keeper (the super frosty #8) and a nice heavy yielder in another plant.... but lots of staking necessary.

Yield was not up to par. 3 of the plants yielded 1.5 zips or less.

White Romulan x Biker pulled in 2 zips.

One Biker le blanc yielded nicely, over 3 oz.


Anyway... on to Biker Kush..... I'll be documenting this one better as its a test grow:

5 females. Before training. These were taken earlier this morning @ 11 days 12/12.

Also, the Anonymous test grow in veg. These will be going into flower in 17 days. 3 confirmed females, topped. 3 confirmed males, all lowers stripped off.... 1 more suspected male, and 2 more suspected females.

 

[GMax]

good luck with the ezcloner...!! grab yourself a pH dropper set because the pH is important, the second biggest cause of clone rooting problems after cleanliness.. and medium-quality pH pens wont give you accurate readings of a low ppm solution..

 

[d3cryption]

whats was the finish heights? did u not like the branchy og phenos bc of strech?


total yield/

 

[SmokinErb]

Thanks, GMax. Been listening to any tips I can get, so far I haven't been able to get consistent results, and I can't have my whole set-up depend on my ability to clone until my consistency is at least 90%.

Got a real good feeling about this cloner. Need to get a drill bit, can't find my 11/32, so I'll finish it tomorrow. Looks good and took me maybe 10 minutes to assemble from scratch.



d3cryption - They finished between 30-36" and I don't mind stretch at all, i don't care for the super-thin branching because it requires a lot of support. Hell I had colas snapping branches that were tied up. My plants aren't mobile... that is, i can't take them (except for one) out of the cab. my keepers got to be easy maintenance, for safety too... running bare bulbs, I can't have branches falling over from weak stems, serious fire hazard. too much training makes it no fun for me, so I'll be seeking thicker stems.

 

[GMax]

throw your neoprene pucks in the washer with some bleach between each round of clones... use pH dropper kit and set pH between 5.5-6... throw and airstone in there as well for added oxygen... and use clean tools and you should have great results time after time...

what products will you use in the cloner ??

 

[SmokinErb]

Wasn't intending on using anything other than water. Didn't think you were supposed to. Maybe a little P?

Then again... I haven't looked any further into these ez cloners than the DIY threads. I read it was beneficial to run the misters on a timer as opposed to 24/7, so I may just do that.

 

[GMax]

water will work well, but the right cloning solution will make it a little faster/better... I know from experience that Olivia's cloning solution is not that great for a aero cloner.. and Roots Excelurator is best, hands down... but about $70 a bottle !!

and you will receive better results if you run the misters on a timer (1minON/5minOFF as a general starting point) but the cycle timers that are needed are about $80, but they are pretty useful once you own one...

just remember, if your pH is in check, and you are still having issues with rooting clones, then your cloner needs disinfected !!

good luck

 

[SmokinErb]

Got it up and running. Was gonna do 4 misters per long side, but one of my packages was mis-packed and not a mister at all. 3 will do.

Just need to figure out the layout on the lid and get it marked off. Not using the EZ clone pucks yet... no hydro shop in town and there's other easy ways to do it. If it works, I'll bust out the hole saw bit and order some pucks to make it pretty lookin'.

 

[indianajones]

complicated has not always been better in my experience with cloning. using GH rapid rooters and a 58 quart sterilite tub for humidity retention (1 1/4" hole drilled in each corner up towards the top for fresh air exchange) i have only lost 3 clones in the last two years out of probably 400-500. i soak the rapid rooters in water pH'd to 6.5 with liquid karma and use a seedling heat mat set to 76F. 6500k t8 bulbs. i keep the heat mat underneath the tub, it keeps everything humidified and perky. soil for cloning works, but i lose more to various molds than using the rapid rooter cubes.

how much are you pulling from a plant using this setup? really considering converting my 32"x32" tent to vert.

 

[SmokinErb]

Well, I've attempted quite a few cloning methods, with mixed amounts of success, including:

Promix
Root Riot cubes
Perlite/vermiculite
Bubble cloner

Tried various temps (heat mats, aquarium heaters), tried with and without humidity domes. Various brands of cloning gel, no cloning gel, etc.

I really hope this does the trick. Set-and-forget is what I'm striving for here. No misting, not worrying about moisture levels. I wanna cut 'em, put 'em in there and come back in a week and see roots.

Took 15 cuts last night, these are 2 weeks in flowering, so we'll see how well they root. No fuss with these. Cut at an angle, placed in water immediately, and then transported to the cloner. No gel, no scraping, no splitting, nothing but an angled cut.

 

[MrAwder]

I am planning on building the same thing for the same reasons. I do not really need to pump out a lot of clones for my setup, but I need consistency, ease and low maintenance.

What pH for clones? Still in the 5.5-6.2 range?

 

[GMax]

Well, I've attempted quite a few cloning methods, with mixed amounts of success, including:

Promix
Root Riot cubes
Perlite/vermiculite
Bubble cloner

Tried various temps (heat mats, aquarium heaters), tried with and without humidity domes. Various brands of cloning gel, no cloning gel, etc.

I really hope this does the trick. Set-and-forget is what I'm striving for here. No misting, not worrying about moisture levels. I wanna cut 'em, put 'em in there and come back in a week and see roots.

Took 15 cuts last night, these are 2 weeks in flowering, so we'll see how well they root. No fuss with these. Cut at an angle, placed in water immediately, and then transported to the cloner. No gel, no scraping, no splitting, nothing but an angled cut.

I am planning on building the same thing for the same reasons. I do not really need to pump out a lot of clones for my setup, but I need consistency, ease and low maintenance.

What pH for clones? Still in the 5.5-6.2 range?

people seem to have lot of mixed emotions about aero cloners, but I think they are great !! an aero cloner was the first aero thing I ever built, and I was so happy with the results, that it inspired my current setup...I have tried many methods also, and even had good results with all of them, so I am not too biased... but the aero cloner has been the best and easiest of them all.. no spraying, no watering, no domes, no heat mats, no preparing pucks, no filling cups with soil, no soaking rockwool in ph'd water, etc... there are a few steps to the aero cloner as well, but after that it is just stick them and forget them.. and the results!! come back in as little as a week for roots.. and it also saves a bunch of space.. it took me a little trial and error, but now I put out pretty much 100% success everytime with ease.. and I can save you some time, here are a few things I have learned over the years...

1) use a pH dropper.. its simple, its cheap and it never fails.. its hard for some ph pens to read a low ppm solution accurately.. ph between 5.5-6.2...

2) water will work fine, but not as fast as with the right cloning solution, period.. the benefit to using just water is you wont have to change the rez or clean the pucks as often, if ever..if you are gonna use plain water, you may want to add a drop or two of bleach, but it not necessary.... each rooting product is different, and some wont work well in the cloner.. different solutions may require more frequent cleanings of the pucks or even bleach overnight in the cloner.. others you can get away with not washing them one two or even three times and may never require running bleach overnight..

3)its a good idea to throw your neoprene in the washer between each round, also a good idea to change the rez water each round too.. but neither of these are always necessary.. and if you using plain water you may never have to.. if using rooting solution,you may get away with not doing it a few times, but better to be safe..

4) if your ph is in check and you are having problems, then your cloner needs cleaned.. cleanliness is the #1 cause of clone death.. if you are not getting at least 90% success, something is wrong..

5) the scrape and split tip that I am always talking about works excellent !! I have found that it cuts a few days off cloning times, and roots are more explosive..

6) sm90 is a great product, I use it with everything in every rez change.. I never had any issues like others were having not too long ago.. use this in your cloner at 2-5ml/gal to keep things clean.. thats just my opinion though..

7) buy new pucks when they get real bad (every 6-12 months, depending on how often you use it)

8) DONT FORGET TO PLUG IT IN !!!

hope that helps and I hope you guys enjoy your new cloners !!!

 

[SmokinErb]

Thanks for the tips. Didn't bother adjusting the pH when I set it up... I'll get around to that here shortly. Will also try the drop or two of bleach.

Really need to get around to doing some reading on the various ways people use these things, but in the meantime I'm just trying to KISS as much as possible. Just trying to do a test run with just straight water, and see what the results are like. Wasn't even going to adjust the pH, but I figure that's the least I can do.

 

[GMax]

helps keep bacteria and pathogens away and keep things sterile as those are the #1 cause of clone death in aero

 

[SmokinErb]

Karma Genetics - biker kush

 

[soursmoker]

Fillin out NICELY! I wish my plants fit my room better... oh well now I know how to fix it.

looking good tho bro...

 

[SmokinErb]

Biker kush clones in new cloner