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kiwi_growa
Sorry this is a bit off topic but I wonder if a good water cure would reverse any build up of anything from feeding full strength all the way to the end.
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FEED OR FLUSH IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS?
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Sorry this is a bit off topic but I wonder if a good water cure would reverse any build up of anything from feeding full strength all the way to the end.
Not off topic! Interesting question.
1. There is no buildup in your plant, only on the roots. So stop worrying about it. As long as your plant is ready for harvest, you'll be fine!
2. Water Curing makes inferior product, just grow it right and don't worry about fixing it later.
There is no need to over complicate things.
Just get the best genetics you can find and take really good care of them
Water Curing is more of a novelty rather than a respected practice.
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BigRuss
DHC I hear ya loud and clear but mostly because I am a DWC grower.I don't have decades of experience but I can tell you that my best product has been when I slowly dial back the ppm levels and simply topped off at the end. 3000 ppm sounds crazy to me....even at the. 7 calibration but I am a big advocate of people doing what works for them. Me I never go above 900 (.5 calibration) ppm in my buckets.
Budseeker147
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Hey guys ive read the whole post lol interesting stuff.. I have a question may b silly..
Im currently grow bb blue cheese in gold label soil im currently feeding them h&g shooting powder half strength bud xl 1mpl and soil a+b at 2.5mpl 1liter per plant per day for next 7 days.
Then i was going to use shooting powder at full strength and reduce a+b down to 2mpl 1ltre per day per plant
Then flush for a week then leave in darkness for a day or 2 bfor the chop after reading this excellent thread i think i need some advice
I must say that ive seen many posts from you DHF great info i recently read heaths thead that you pretty much held down for him both gave great advice and fact to back it up!
But milehigh you also give great advice and back it up with fact
Cheers for any advice in advance guys
Im currently grow bb blue cheese in gold label soil im currently feeding them h&g shooting powder half strength bud xl 1mpl and soil a+b at 2.5mpl 1liter per plant per day for next 7 days.
Then i was going to use shooting powder at full strength and reduce a+b down to 2mpl 1ltre per day per plant
Then flush for a week then leave in darkness for a day or 2 bfor the chop after reading this excellent thread i think i need some advice
I must say that ive seen many posts from you DHF great info i recently read heaths thead that you pretty much held down for him both gave great advice and fact to back it up!
But milehigh you also give great advice and back it up with fact
Cheers for any advice in advance guys
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DHF
I`ve tried to stay away and let this thread calm down , and after reading MHG`s thoughts on how there`s no way possible for him to flush OR "dwindle" down ppms toward end of cycle with a "water only" organic type setup being the exception and most definitely NOT the rule .....
I defer to the voice of reason from Hammerhead about actual "plant senescence" I`ve tried to stress during this thread to work toward , by leaching nutrients from the rootzone while allowing the plants to "cannibalize" themselves , and use up residual nutrients stored in the fan leaves and plant tissue by the time it comes to chop said plants where little to no ppms reside in any plant matter , and what`s left over is taken care of through proper dry and cure IME.....WITH synthetic nutrient grown setups REGARDLESS of medium used....that said.....
Heath never ran more than 600 ppms/1.2 ec across the board and NEVER flushed , but....He also always preached proper dry AND cure to allow all excess juice left in plant tissue to be leached out through evaporation/dehumidification "slowly" FTW....so....
Snook.....Just make sure your plants have max airflow and RH reduction during a "slow" dry and cure process AFTER nugs are done and bagged/jarred and it`s all good......Me ?....
I never walked around with blinders on and accepted what someone "said" as bein gospel , but rather found over many many yrs of "trial and error" that getting rid of as many ppms "slowly" WITHOUT starving the plants in late bloomage to allow em to swell accordingly and be all they could be by end of cycle , was what worked for me with optimum and consistent returns every run.....with synthetic nutrient setups with "soilless" or hydro mediums .....guaranteed....so.....
Many ways ta skin a mule guys.....BUT....Plant senescence is key to a properly finished plant from what I and 99% of ALL old head growers have seen over the yrs , and crazy ass ppms till end of cycle even @ .7 conversion is indeed just that.....Crazy....anyways....
Good luck and.....
Peace....DHF.....
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I defer to the voice of reason from Hammerhead about actual "plant senescence" I`ve tried to stress during this thread to work toward , by leaching nutrients from the rootzone while allowing the plants to "cannibalize" themselves , and use up residual nutrients stored in the fan leaves and plant tissue by the time it comes to chop said plants where little to no ppms reside in any plant matter , and what`s left over is taken care of through proper dry and cure IME.....WITH synthetic nutrient grown setups REGARDLESS of medium used....that said.....
Heath never ran more than 600 ppms/1.2 ec across the board and NEVER flushed , but....He also always preached proper dry AND cure to allow all excess juice left in plant tissue to be leached out through evaporation/dehumidification "slowly" FTW....so....
Snook.....Just make sure your plants have max airflow and RH reduction during a "slow" dry and cure process AFTER nugs are done and bagged/jarred and it`s all good......Me ?....
I never walked around with blinders on and accepted what someone "said" as bein gospel , but rather found over many many yrs of "trial and error" that getting rid of as many ppms "slowly" WITHOUT starving the plants in late bloomage to allow em to swell accordingly and be all they could be by end of cycle , was what worked for me with optimum and consistent returns every run.....with synthetic nutrient setups with "soilless" or hydro mediums .....guaranteed....so.....
Many ways ta skin a mule guys.....BUT....Plant senescence is key to a properly finished plant from what I and 99% of ALL old head growers have seen over the yrs , and crazy ass ppms till end of cycle even @ .7 conversion is indeed just that.....Crazy....anyways....
Good luck and.....
Peace....DHF.....
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I vote no flush... or a short one.. maybe one last heavy watering of straight water before the chop.
I have several friend who id consider herb snobs...i have given them unflushed herb to smoke and they didnt notice at all.. i guess im a dick.
that being said, I will flush a plant at the end of flower if it is still deep green and i want to get it yellowing out a little quicker.
i expect i will be called an unethical scumbag for advocating a no flush or minimal flush.. but as others have said.. i cant find any science that supports a "flush" (except if the plant is showing symptoms of nute lock out/burn)
and taste is subjective to each their own... do what you like... cant we all have our own opinions? it doenst matter to me if someone wants to flush thier plants for 6 months.. if it works for them.. awesome.
i however have been trying to weed out the "bro science" and keep it as simple as possible without sacrificing to much on the end product.
I have several friend who id consider herb snobs...i have given them unflushed herb to smoke and they didnt notice at all.. i guess im a dick.
that being said, I will flush a plant at the end of flower if it is still deep green and i want to get it yellowing out a little quicker.
i expect i will be called an unethical scumbag for advocating a no flush or minimal flush.. but as others have said.. i cant find any science that supports a "flush" (except if the plant is showing symptoms of nute lock out/burn)
and taste is subjective to each their own... do what you like... cant we all have our own opinions? it doenst matter to me if someone wants to flush thier plants for 6 months.. if it works for them.. awesome.
i however have been trying to weed out the "bro science" and keep it as simple as possible without sacrificing to much on the end product.
I`ve tried to stay away and let this thread calm down , and after reading MHG`s thoughts on how there`s no way possible for him to flush OR "dwindle" down ppms toward end of cycle with a "water only" organic type setup being the exception and most definitely NOT the rule .....
I defer to the voice of reason from Hammerhead about actual "plant senescence" I`ve tried to stress during this thread to work toward , by leaching nutrients from the rootzone while allowing the plants to "cannibalize" themselves , and use up residual nutrients stored in the fan leaves and plant tissue by the time it comes to chop said plants where little to no ppms reside in any plant matter , and what`s left over is taken care of through proper dry and cure IME.....WITH synthetic nutrient grown setups REGARDLESS of medium used....that said.....
Heath never ran more than 600 ppms/1.2 ec across the board and NEVER flushed , but....He also always preached proper dry AND cure to allow all excess juice left in plant tissue to be leached out through evaporation/dehumidification "slowly" FTW....so....
Snook.....Just make sure your plants have max airflow and RH reduction during a "slow" dry and cure process AFTER nugs are done and bagged/jarred and it`s all good......Me ?....
I never walked around with blinders on and accepted what someone "said" as bein gospel , but rather found over many many yrs of "trial and error" that getting rid of as many ppms "slowly" WITHOUT starving the plants in late bloomage to allow em to swell accordingly and be all they could be by end of cycle , was what worked for me with optimum and consistent returns every run.....with synthetic nutrient setups with "soilless" or hydro mediums .....guaranteed....so.....
Many ways ta skin a mule guys.....BUT....Plant senescence is key to a properly finished plant from what I and 99% of ALL old head growers have seen over the yrs , and crazy ass ppms till end of cycle even @ .7 conversion is indeed just that.....Crazy....anyways....
Good luck and.....
Peace....DHF.....
Like a boss - I did what you say - except I was up at 1300 ppms peak flower.
sempervirdis
Member
Tobacco grower DO starve their plants and def. don't want N in their leaves....however they do pump P and K till the very end ....
Stop on over to the organics forum. That's where folks like MHG hang out. Check out Organic Soil 101, Microscopy, ROLS, etc... No BS and definitely no sacrificing. We even had author Jeff Lowenfels drop by when we were discussing his latest book, Teaming With Nutrients.
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DHF
Hey JD......I fully respect water only organic medium setups , and my last post was about semi-apologizing to MHG about him not being able to leach his rootzones of excess juice NOR all the fan leaves and plant material with leftover ppms not used up by end of cycle with just water , and.....
Since that`s how most folks in late flower do to help remove residual salt buildup with "non" organic soilless or hydro setups , I think a lotta shit got intertwined and called bullshit on.....that said....
Sempervirdis......Thanks for the neg rep when what you just posted is EXACLTLY what I`ve done for yrs and yrs of trial and error to end up with the best possible end result product and is totally unfounded or misunderstood....BUT.....
What`s it gonna be ?......I do appreciate the neg rep coming from the left side of the page where rep`s ALWAYS been till these "helpful and not helpful" ratings showed up a few yrs back , so I KNOW who disagrees with me and has the BALLS enough to do so even IF unfounded , instead of hiding behind a not helpful rating like a lil bitch ......regardless....
True Organics compared to Synthetic juice with soilless and hydro mediums are seriously 2 different animals with no way to compare how end result product is supposed to be arrived at IME......
Apples and oranges guys......No reason to argue over how to do things right before chop when it depends on what medium you grow in.....period.......
Peace....DHF.....
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No offense intended to anyone, DHF. It was more of a direct response to mowood3479's comment about 'bro science'. Lots of real science gets discussed (listed references) over there and those particular threads just popped to mind as examples.
And for the record, back when I grew with chems I usually finished with water only (I always hated saying flush, it ain't a toilet) but sometimes I'd feed til the end.
And for the record, back when I grew with chems I usually finished with water only (I always hated saying flush, it ain't a toilet) but sometimes I'd feed til the end.
KnifeWrench
Member
lmao at people being able tell the difference between flushed and unflushed as well the culprits of snap, crackle, and pop... its looking like icmag is turning into mainstream garbage(high times) with 9/10 silly stoners regurgitating what they hear as opposed to finding out first hand
icmag and reality really dont line up if you have your feet on the ground
this is false. i'd really like to be wrong and would love to see some links but the very successful clubs i've worked with in los angeles do no such thing and i've NEVER heard anything of it amongst mutual friends/croppers.
icmag and reality really dont line up if you have your feet on the ground
this is false. i'd really like to be wrong and would love to see some links but the very successful clubs i've worked with in los angeles do no such thing and i've NEVER heard anything of it amongst mutual friends/croppers.
hear hear john deere
Relax
Relax
Instead of connecting the dots - lots of people want to absorb a tutorial of how-to and then expect to be a professional.
Whats been said in the thread is already enough... and its very good information that needs to be applied and not speculated.
Snap crackle pop - to me - too fresh herb - dry dat shit some mo' or there are premature seeds if its dry/cure.
"Unflushed" weed burns just as white as "flushed" weed with cure. When not cured - made my lips numb and didn't burn even or completely white - more greyish.
From what I deduced from this thread via growing soil - the soil should be amended so that only water is required for the entire life cycle of the plant. With that said - there is no such thing as flush - only leaching of the soil and only senescence is your "flush" - all natural
From what I deduced from this thread via growing Hydroponics - A flush is not necessary but it is very beneficial when properly timed, executed and complete.
Theres always your very own individual variables so always try to take information from a thread like this by interpreting it and connecting it to what you have going on - instead of taking it for face value. So its all about your style - setup - genetics - yada yada and thats how ICMag has helped me. I always morphed the information observed on here into some type of application for myself either directly or indirectly with the grow. Really mind opening all of this stuff that made me fall in love with horticulture.
everyone who contributed to this thread
Relax
Instead of connecting the dots - lots of people want to absorb a tutorial of how-to and then expect to be a professional.
Whats been said in the thread is already enough... and its very good information that needs to be applied and not speculated.
Snap crackle pop - to me - too fresh herb - dry dat shit some mo' or there are premature seeds if its dry/cure.
"Unflushed" weed burns just as white as "flushed" weed with cure. When not cured - made my lips numb and didn't burn even or completely white - more greyish.
From what I deduced from this thread via growing soil - the soil should be amended so that only water is required for the entire life cycle of the plant. With that said - there is no such thing as flush - only leaching of the soil and only senescence is your "flush" - all natural
From what I deduced from this thread via growing Hydroponics - A flush is not necessary but it is very beneficial when properly timed, executed and complete.
Theres always your very own individual variables so always try to take information from a thread like this by interpreting it and connecting it to what you have going on - instead of taking it for face value. So its all about your style - setup - genetics - yada yada and thats how ICMag has helped me. I always morphed the information observed on here into some type of application for myself either directly or indirectly with the grow. Really mind opening all of this stuff that made me fall in love with horticulture.
everyone who contributed to this thread
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sempervirdis
Member
manwithastick
Member
i feed organically, but in the last watering I only use water, to desolve the salts i might have upbuild in my medium, And its a good way to tell the plant : thats all for you babe... U know it, I know it! and she will curl and yellow up nice, slowly and smooth. all in the right time
