MMPR- meet the players

[Dr. Buddington]

Well, an individual should be able to grow a plant for personal consumption. As soon as you call it medicine and want to sell it to people who will use it for their health benefits - the rules change. There has to be a system in place to ensure that people get safe, tested, unaltered and standardized medicine.
As for the ethical dilemma: you say that its wrong to make a living growing medical marijuana for others. Should farmers feel bad for producing food and selling it to make a living? Not everyone can afford to buy bread, should the wheat farmer work for free to feed the masses?
At the moment, when someone shows me their medical marijuana I'm inclined to think that its just as polluted with heavy metal/pesticide residues as the non-medical bud. How many people use Flower Dragon, Phosphoload, etc., without researching the active ingredients?
Bottom line is that to make medicine you need regulations and procedures. To grow pot for yourself, you just need half a brain and a little bit of room.

 

[Dr. Buddington]

Med man, the minister grants the security clearance, not the RCMP

 

[oscarthegrouch]

So folks who are sick and dying (and growing) have more of a right to produce without fear of reprisal than those who maybe not be dying but still want the right to produce their own medicine?
Entitlement is a tricky thing....

depends if those people are flipping pounds on the side, do feel you have an entitlement to grow 500 plants under a ppl and sell them? I think everyone should be able to grow for *themselves* and smoke if they want. But getting a ppl for 500 plants to make money is bs, and the reason this program is ending.

 

[oscarthegrouch]

I'm just saying if you want to get rich take the risk, don't hide behind med licences designed for sick people because your afraid of jail. my prob isn't with anyone growing or selling weed. It should be legal for everyone. My prob is with peoples greed

 

[Dr. Buddington]

Hmm, so I can take my 300k and invest it without risk or take the chance of loosing it all and going to a jail? Look at it as insurance. Before you accuse me of 1000's of plants, I'm allowed 280 and have 268...

 

[Green Supreme]

The real reason it is folding, is that it was designed to fold. Doctors won't sign fail. Failure to produce the cards the police always ask for fail(Pitting us against the police). Unclear rules leaving municipalities to take responsibility fail{Pitting us against the city). Creating doctors like Kamermans, that abuse the system, because other doctors will not sign fail. Judges ruling the doctors ruined the program, followed by HC putting them back in charge fail. Removing the right to grow you own or have it grown for you if you are not capable fail.

These things are made to fail by the folks that design them. Then a bunch of "cannabis people". come along and want to point fingers at their own for failure. Weak sauce. Peace GS

 

[oscarthegrouch]

Cannabis is not such an insidious plant that only the sick should be allowed to grow it. Funny to me that any cannabis person would think its ok for them, but not for some one else. Cannabis may be legal for some in some places. You would think those it is legal for, would not be wishing ill on others for the same.

If not for the illegal growers keeping good weed available up to now, there would be NO med programs everywhere. Hmmm self righteousness. So pretty. Peace GS

Don't believe I ever said cannabis was only for the sick did I? I said med licences are for the sick. I think everyone should be able to use it legally. Who's more self righteous? the people with ppl growing for themselves? or the people hiding behind a ppl to make money?

 

[oscarthegrouch]

The real reason it is folding, is that it was designed to fold. Doctors won't sign fail. Failure to produce the cards the police always ask for fail(Pitting us against the police). Unclear rules leaving municipalities to take responsibility fail{Pitting us against the city). Creating doctors like Kamermans, that abuse the system, because other doctors will not sign fail. Judges ruling the doctors ruined the program, followed by HC putting them back in charge fail. Removing the right to grow you own or have it grown for you if you are not capable fail.

That I can agree with you on.

 

[RubeGoldberg]

If anything, the medical system allowed it to be grown for profit while easing the strain on society.
There's nothing wrong with growing for profit, we're a capitalist society.



Just look at California, they seem to be having a jolly time with their pseudo medical laws.

 

[ChilcotinBuddha]

The real reason it is folding, is that it was designed to fold. Doctors won't sign fail. Failure to produce the cards the police always ask for fail(Pitting us against the police). Unclear rules leaving municipalities to take responsibility fail{Pitting us against the city). Creating doctors like Kamermans, that abuse the system, because other doctors will not sign fail. Judges ruling the doctors ruined the program, followed by HC putting them back in charge fail. Removing the right to grow you own or have it grown for you if you are not capable fail.

These things are made to fail by the folks that design them. Then a bunch of "cannabis people". come along and want to point fingers at their own for failure. Weak sauce. Peace GS

fuck'in eh GS,
silly sheep who put any faith in the government to do something good for the people, this is all aboot $$$$$$$$$$, always has been for them and always will be. (anyone remember WHY they made it 'illegal' in the first place??)

The Hegelian Dialectic they've created with this issue is phenomenal, the amount of wasted thought, time and energy that the PTB have created by keeping those of you who scrurry around, worrying aboot this, that and the other thing blows me away.

Zero critical thought has been applied to whats really going on and the long term ramifications of this systematic manipulation of a demographic that we all encompass makes me shake my head and wonder aloud, thank god I removed myself from the madness!

Where is the friggen popcorn eating emoticon when you need it, cause sitting back watching this shit show is high-larious.

Be proactive, do big business or politics/politicians in general follow the rules set out for them??

Over grow the government!



rant mode over
everyone have a good day eh, oh yeah do a random act of kindness for a stranger and pay it forward

 

[Green Supreme]

Don't believe I ever said cannabis was only for the sick did I? I said med licences are for the sick. I think everyone should be able to use it legally. Who's more self righteous? the people with ppl growing for themselves? or the people hiding behind a ppl to make money?

You seem to think I was talking to you, interesting. Peace GS

 

[blastfrompast]

Medman:
I'm not sure it is just the filling out of the paperwork that is going to be stumbling block.

Auditing in general...seems like it will be a bitch, between secure areas, in-out, wastage, testing, etc. it just makes my head spin....

I kicked the idea around with a few buddies... Just too much risk...despite the huge possible reward to get in on the ground floor.

Hate to have our licence pulled....over an administrative record keeping issue.....have to shut down, destroy product, etc. Nobody has any idea how stringent they will be in terms of breaches.....especially with everything laid out sooooo CLEARLY..lol

 

[vapor]

What does stand up for your rights mean? Is everybody headed to the art gallery to do drugs in public again??

lol i don't think so, I live my life the way i want to, without hurting anyone. So you can make fun of hippies at the art gallery, but some of us are in real legal battles for these rights,while other talk down. I ain't no pooffer{full of hot air} i do what i believe, that means i stand up{live it} for what i know is right or wrong, not hide behind my moms skirt while others lead the attack. I don't sit there with a paranoid look and wonder about it i make motion, that's standing up for my rights!

 

[Dr. Buddington]

Well, with any kind of a business CRA can do an audit. You already have to keep all of the financial records as it is, why would it be so difficult to keep the grow related records in order? Buy a dedicated laptop or a tablet, install reputable record-keeping software and have the diligence to actually make those records on daily basis. Seems simple enough.
To each their own; I'll gladly take jumping through bureaucratic hoops and possibly making less in exchange for keeping my "freedom" and the money that I've worked for.

 

[Gram Paw smurf]

Abit of a failure to mention the fact that it's a consumer market though n 1 can work all they want, but without a consumer base actually buying the product 1 would be fucked quickly with all costs not waiting for thier profit to catch up.
What I find entertaining is this whole thing is like a rush to buy high n sell low.lol
It's an already over inflated comodity, n will only drop in value no matter who speculates about the market going back up just because of HC's little program.lol
HC's programs are insignificant to the actual market.
The mmar nvr was a representation of even just the patient population, it was just a splinter group of patients who allowed themselves to be regulated.(where nobody had the right to regulate them in the 1st place)

Fact is even mandatroy mins as they never have won't stall the market at all, not HC's new program anymore than the old 1 did, not the clubs being shut down, not any of it.
The gov couldn't stop recreational tobacco n alc. production for personal use once industry was producing, what makes anyone believe they can with a medication as easily produced as either?
They can't n won't, n eventually will be told as much by a judge.

There's already speculation floating about about pps getting 10mil in cash from the gov to proceed onto the new program.
Ppl seriously think thier little podunk home boxes n shit n barns n such are going to compete with that?lmao
good luck with it.

Already judges ruling against clubs in Ont. saying if HC says they're not gonna license you than your "grey" area is gone n you're cop prey.

With actual issues needing dealing with like getting med coverage for the most vulnerable n unable to do for themselves, n all the catching up actual research needs doing, this is nothing more than a show for patients to sit back n watch n enjoy.

Schadenfreude for all! lol

 

[blastfrompast]

Dr. Buddington:

I do wish you well, but it will be anything but simple...

Especially in the beginning with the "boutique shows"....

I'm waiting to see how things shape up...

 

[Dr. Buddington]

I never stated that the whole process would be simple. Any situation can be viewed from different angles and perceived as either positive or negative, easy or complicated, it depends on the person making the judgement.
As for the new program affecting the black market: wouldn't you say that the mandatory minimums will affect it more-so? Do you think that people who are running a couple lights and a few dozen plants will still be willing to take the risk of mandatory jail time in return for a few pounds every couple month? I see it being worthwhile on a large scale. As in if you get a few years for 1000 plants, might as well do 10,000 and make a few bucks. At least that's the mentality that I would imagine will be exhibited by large organized groups.
All speculations, naturally.

 

[Pangea]

Should be interesting if Medman is granted a security clearance.

Indicative if the minister is using CSIS, CSEC, et al, sourced illegally obtained information.

Let us know.

 

[Gram Paw smurf]

Think you just hit the nail right on the head there.
Small grows that might stop would also be insignificant in reality to the market, when any large ones as you said may as well just ramp up to even more value n production.
We're not even realy mentioning the guerilla grows as they'll truely be uneffected by any of this any more than they are any other year.
Besides the funny thing nobody ever seems to mention with the mandatory mins is the fact that they only apply with trafficing charges.
I for 1 think it's nxt to impossible for a crown to prove someones intent especially infront of an actual jury rather than copping out with a plea.
You'd have to have some realy stupid shit around like debt lists with names or an actual UC buy from you to prove the intent to traffic imho but that nvr stops ppl from doing just that.

Far as "black" market goes to me it's just THE market the only "black" market I've seen as of yet was HC's what I call the blackest market being thier mmar n the club "grey area", seeing as how it's the only 1 that discriminated against the patient population n made ppl sign up contracts and a list of names unlike any other market I've ever seen anywhere.

Always gotta flip scripts n use thier own propaganda against them.
The market doesn't let anyone dictate squat other than supply n demand n both are doing just fine far as I see, n aint gonna change anytime soon.

Eventually nobody will be in the way of patients doing for themselves, n others getting the meds they need covered, n it'll just be another market on the side like any other.
Nothing more than a gov grasping at straws n anything else for as much of whatever control as they can get over what they obviously know is a huge commodity.
Let the profiteers fight for thier rights to profit, n patients just need to do for themselves n be ready n willing to fight for thier rights to do so if need be.

cheers all,....................................................gps

 

[Gram Paw smurf]

On a side note the whole not being able to do squat till post count is up is a pita lol

cheers,..................................................gps