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I'm paying $1800 a unit wet. Plants are cut when I walk in the room an I request no trimming of anything.
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Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers
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I'm paying $1800 a unit wet. Plants are cut when I walk in the room an I request no trimming of anything.
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sirius haze
great post BOG
a legalization scheme where the gov let the big bizness rule the roost is the worst in my opinion, i would rather stay outlaw underground than to be put out of work by capitalist. patented genetics and big bizness scheme is the plague of our modern world, it kills small farmer, artisan ect... we have to get back to a local economy and a local way of thinking with small farming, small business sector, a more human way of thinking, less money more barter, more balance
a legalization scheme where the gov let the big bizness rule the roost is the worst in my opinion, i would rather stay outlaw underground than to be put out of work by capitalist. patented genetics and big bizness scheme is the plague of our modern world, it kills small farmer, artisan ect... we have to get back to a local economy and a local way of thinking with small farming, small business sector, a more human way of thinking, less money more barter, more balance
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Thanks for the insight
@Bog, i could not agree more with you - well written
We as humans can only do it if we belive it
Today pro capitalists have won the mind off most pepol and i find it a commone conception among many that think capitalisme is very close to natural systemts and the only way smart to devise a transaction system.
On the other hand we dont really have a capitalistic system because we got some big goverments and other entities like WTO ect that controlle the markets and at the moment every thing is played out with "what do i gain" politics, messy game..
Be the changes that you want to see in the world
@Bog, i could not agree more with you - well written
We as humans can only do it if we belive it
Today pro capitalists have won the mind off most pepol and i find it a commone conception among many that think capitalisme is very close to natural systemts and the only way smart to devise a transaction system.
On the other hand we dont really have a capitalistic system because we got some big goverments and other entities like WTO ect that controlle the markets and at the moment every thing is played out with "what do i gain" politics, messy game..
Be the changes that you want to see in the world
I believe that the market should be free for anyone that wants to be growing. That said, how can a non-professional farmer growing indoors compete with a real farmer? Can you think of any crop besides Cannabis that is grown under lights by non-farmers?
Things will change when legal, farmers will produce the Cannabis outdoors or in greenhouses. Prices will drop a lot.
As for a business that is not allowed for big biz, what can I say? I want Cannabis to be mainstream for everyone, not something that is held back so a few can profit.
I do agree that Capitalism has many faults, but what is better? Can you list anything?
BTW Capitalism produces the the shoes, clothing, you wear as well as the food you eat, the cars you drive, as well as almost all consumables, if you really don't like Capitalism why support it?
Capitalism also produces Dom Pieignon and Thunderbird you as the consumer must pick and support the biz you believe is not trash. I can assure you that Cannabis of the very highest quality can be produced in multi-ton amounts by Capitalists that care about the earth and the quality of their Cannabis products, size of production does not automatically diminish quality, greed and ignorance does.
As for alternatives like a no or slow growth economy, sounds good to me, except where is one?
It will not happen as long as the worlds population is growing so fast, even if it wasn't the folks in China and India etc all want what many Americans have, multiple automobiles, very large houses, filled with TV's washing machines, refrigerators, freezers, air conditioners, telephones, all the stuff Americans love to buy, and get the newest models. Until the population growth is reversed, I have no faith the world will get any better for the masses, maybe if you are very rich you can insulate yourself, maybe.
I think we are in agreement on many issues, I too wonder about my grandchildren and the world they will live in, but I have little hope that I can have much effect, 1 of 7 billion. It is the masses that will have the future, good or bad.
I will do my best to assure that Cannabis will be legal worldwide for Recreational, Medical, and Industrial, the masses will need it that is for sure! Maybe it could help folks realize they don't need so much stuff, they do need less people, a cleaner healthier environment, and maybe a simpler life? But don't hold your breath....
-SamS
Things will change when legal, farmers will produce the Cannabis outdoors or in greenhouses. Prices will drop a lot.
As for a business that is not allowed for big biz, what can I say? I want Cannabis to be mainstream for everyone, not something that is held back so a few can profit.
I do agree that Capitalism has many faults, but what is better? Can you list anything?
BTW Capitalism produces the the shoes, clothing, you wear as well as the food you eat, the cars you drive, as well as almost all consumables, if you really don't like Capitalism why support it?
Capitalism also produces Dom Pieignon and Thunderbird you as the consumer must pick and support the biz you believe is not trash. I can assure you that Cannabis of the very highest quality can be produced in multi-ton amounts by Capitalists that care about the earth and the quality of their Cannabis products, size of production does not automatically diminish quality, greed and ignorance does.
As for alternatives like a no or slow growth economy, sounds good to me, except where is one?
It will not happen as long as the worlds population is growing so fast, even if it wasn't the folks in China and India etc all want what many Americans have, multiple automobiles, very large houses, filled with TV's washing machines, refrigerators, freezers, air conditioners, telephones, all the stuff Americans love to buy, and get the newest models. Until the population growth is reversed, I have no faith the world will get any better for the masses, maybe if you are very rich you can insulate yourself, maybe.
I think we are in agreement on many issues, I too wonder about my grandchildren and the world they will live in, but I have little hope that I can have much effect, 1 of 7 billion. It is the masses that will have the future, good or bad.
I will do my best to assure that Cannabis will be legal worldwide for Recreational, Medical, and Industrial, the masses will need it that is for sure! Maybe it could help folks realize they don't need so much stuff, they do need less people, a cleaner healthier environment, and maybe a simpler life? But don't hold your breath....
-SamS
A cottage industry for medical marijuana now exists here and it provides income for so many people that total legalization scares people. Why can't we have a two tiered system one for recreational and one for medical that isn't taxed or allowed to be taken over by big business.
Ya know that capitalism just encourages over population and nobody seems to see why both are the main problem. Everyone racing to the bottom. Who can grow the most weed the cheapest is gross commercialization.
It is gross and we are devaluing the value of life itself! Once upon a time most people made a living on a small family farm. Most people lived a simple life off the land by their own hard work or they starved. It wasn't really much like what we now think of as capitalism.
You want me to come up with some alternatives?
Ok...a new steady state economy that doesn't require growth to exist. Is that impossible or all that radical to contemplate? Wouldn't the priority of people making a living be better than what we now have? Maybe we will just move on to expand and keep growing forever like in the movie Avatar where capitalism steals their natural resources and destroys their homes.
We don't need a doomsday disaster to make us all come tumbling down with the actions of the gifts of this world.
Ya know I make a living and I live decent but most people on this planet don't. Am I just crazy to think how we do things is really up to us or that there are other ways to look at things?
This world is Idiocracy now and while it makes me sad to think that I leave this mess behind for my grandchildren it's not our fault. We have been lied to ever since we were born. The things we have been taught to believe in are delusions.
I am full of delusions but what this all comes down to on this subject is do you want legalization really. I think Sam is very right about farming economics but wrong to assume things can't be different. I hope change can come but I'm too old to do it now.
Nobody wants to listen to a delusional old man who just wants to return to an age before he was born. You can have the future. Bog
Say it ain't so Soothsayer Sam!
I'm not the one who said "many more will have to suffer, many more will have to die."
But gloom without hope is like a rainstorm without sun afterwards.
You talk about systems and the futility of one person to affect them...but are human nature and capitalism the same?
Where does the idea of perpetual increase as a condition for prosperity come from, anyway? Do all peoples at all times view the world this way?
If you think the answer might be Yes, kindly Google "sahlins original affluent society."
When we understand that culture includes competing ideas and values we are in a better position to see its aspect as a human construction, and we needn't run screaming and desperate from it like it's some granitic Half Dome we can do nothing about.
Not that we can easily take it over and remake it. But if you believe humankind has a moral career and destiny, it might seem worthwhile.
Cynicism is the death of our soul. More's the pity that it often sounds so reasonable...inevitable...
I'm not the one who said "many more will have to suffer, many more will have to die."
But gloom without hope is like a rainstorm without sun afterwards.
You talk about systems and the futility of one person to affect them...but are human nature and capitalism the same?
Where does the idea of perpetual increase as a condition for prosperity come from, anyway? Do all peoples at all times view the world this way?
If you think the answer might be Yes, kindly Google "sahlins original affluent society."
When we understand that culture includes competing ideas and values we are in a better position to see its aspect as a human construction, and we needn't run screaming and desperate from it like it's some granitic Half Dome we can do nothing about.
Not that we can easily take it over and remake it. But if you believe humankind has a moral career and destiny, it might seem worthwhile.
Cynicism is the death of our soul. More's the pity that it often sounds so reasonable...inevitable...
Really I do think the worlds population will continue to increase, I wish not, but people are what they are.
I do not think sahlins original affluent society is how I would want to live, I prefer science and technology, but with a population of 7 billion the earth may be better off with zero people. If the population was small enough to have a sustainable life without destroying the planet to get what we need, is what we really need.
I am not so sure we are so special or have any special destiny.
-SamS
I do not think sahlins original affluent society is how I would want to live, I prefer science and technology, but with a population of 7 billion the earth may be better off with zero people. If the population was small enough to have a sustainable life without destroying the planet to get what we need, is what we really need.
I am not so sure we are so special or have any special destiny.
-SamS
We do have a destiny. Capitalism was a great idea and it is natural but squirrels hoard their nuts but it doesn't really make them capitalists.
You have a family and then a tribe and the Indians lived in a system that was more communal. The hunters provided food for all and everyone worked first for family and then they shared and bartered. Was it natural capitalism or communism?
I am not a communist and I don't have a solution but what the world has now isn't fair.
The only solution seems to me is to wait for catastrophe that is bound to occur with the worlds in debt economies. Unfortunately the ignored over population problem will lead to a radical decimation of the population. We will reduce population and return to the land and local farming to live.
Maybe next time we will plan ahead.
Sam, I agree with most of what you say but we really are all the slaves of the current system that keeps most trapped in poverty or working for wages so low it's called wage slavery. Like indentured servants we work for years only to have Detroit go bankrupt and steal all the pensions and health benefits.
I am pissed off and I have little hope that anyone will even see the problem before it hits them in the face. So many people just assume that we have to forever endure the bullshit our world provides. Why doesn't everyone get health care? Capitalism.
Someone others out that farms could be corporate monsters...
Someone figured out how to take their jobs away.
Now we sell water. Even the poorest people find the river fenced off and a meter to pay for water.
We can be left to die with no health coverage because someone figured out how to make a bundle out of peoples illnesses.
If you can't see just how corrupt this world is then listen to a guy like Mitt Romney when he says he isn't concerned about the poor.
We need cottage industries Sam. People need jobs. That's why people grow pot for a living. I gave my heart to my job 16 years at the same hospital.
Now is the time to sound the alarm because our safety net, many peoples plan B is a rug that legalization could pull out from under us just like the small farm.
Soon robots will take all the rest of the jobs. I doubt robots will make very good seed breeders but you won't employ people trimming anymore.
Will people even be allowed to smoke pot? They will probably put those crap dabs in vape pens and decide that's the safer way. Imagine no weed, just capitalism pretending to get you high with a watered down, tasteless legal substitute that won't be cheap.
What a world. Why not ban dabs and hash as drugs because they are processed and let the raw herb be classified like all the other herbs. Let people smoke weed forever.
Nothing against good hash but that bho is bad for people. BushyOG
You have a family and then a tribe and the Indians lived in a system that was more communal. The hunters provided food for all and everyone worked first for family and then they shared and bartered. Was it natural capitalism or communism?
I am not a communist and I don't have a solution but what the world has now isn't fair.
The only solution seems to me is to wait for catastrophe that is bound to occur with the worlds in debt economies. Unfortunately the ignored over population problem will lead to a radical decimation of the population. We will reduce population and return to the land and local farming to live.
Maybe next time we will plan ahead.
Sam, I agree with most of what you say but we really are all the slaves of the current system that keeps most trapped in poverty or working for wages so low it's called wage slavery. Like indentured servants we work for years only to have Detroit go bankrupt and steal all the pensions and health benefits.
I am pissed off and I have little hope that anyone will even see the problem before it hits them in the face. So many people just assume that we have to forever endure the bullshit our world provides. Why doesn't everyone get health care? Capitalism.
Someone others out that farms could be corporate monsters...
Someone figured out how to take their jobs away.
Now we sell water. Even the poorest people find the river fenced off and a meter to pay for water.
We can be left to die with no health coverage because someone figured out how to make a bundle out of peoples illnesses.
If you can't see just how corrupt this world is then listen to a guy like Mitt Romney when he says he isn't concerned about the poor.
We need cottage industries Sam. People need jobs. That's why people grow pot for a living. I gave my heart to my job 16 years at the same hospital.
Now is the time to sound the alarm because our safety net, many peoples plan B is a rug that legalization could pull out from under us just like the small farm.
Soon robots will take all the rest of the jobs. I doubt robots will make very good seed breeders but you won't employ people trimming anymore.
Will people even be allowed to smoke pot? They will probably put those crap dabs in vape pens and decide that's the safer way. Imagine no weed, just capitalism pretending to get you high with a watered down, tasteless legal substitute that won't be cheap.
What a world. Why not ban dabs and hash as drugs because they are processed and let the raw herb be classified like all the other herbs. Let people smoke weed forever.
Nothing against good hash but that bho is bad for people. BushyOG
I understand your BHO stand but that is how I feel about herbal Cannabis, I really do not like smoking 80% plant material to get the resin I am after;
As for the need of cottage industries like Cannabis if they can not compete then maybe they need to find a cottage industry where they can compete? What did people in this situation do before they grew Cannabis? Cannabis has only been grown by the masses from the 60's so 50 years ago hardly anyone in the USA was making a living growing Cannabis.
My focus has been not the few that grow Cannabis, but the many that get in trouble with Cannabis, legalize and let the chips fall where they may. Legal Cannabis with dirt cheap prices is what I see in the future, if growers continue to not see the changes coming they have no one to blame other then themselves.
Holding on to the past will not help you in the future.
We used to all be serfs for a king, now we all, or most all, work for a corporation, but people do have at least a few choices, they can try and support that which they believe in.
-SamS
As for the need of cottage industries like Cannabis if they can not compete then maybe they need to find a cottage industry where they can compete? What did people in this situation do before they grew Cannabis? Cannabis has only been grown by the masses from the 60's so 50 years ago hardly anyone in the USA was making a living growing Cannabis.
My focus has been not the few that grow Cannabis, but the many that get in trouble with Cannabis, legalize and let the chips fall where they may. Legal Cannabis with dirt cheap prices is what I see in the future, if growers continue to not see the changes coming they have no one to blame other then themselves.
Holding on to the past will not help you in the future.
We used to all be serfs for a king, now we all, or most all, work for a corporation, but people do have at least a few choices, they can try and support that which they believe in.
-SamS
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DirkDiggla
Personally I cannot see cheap legal Cannabis any time soon. Imho will take another generation at least and if it is legalised it certainly won't be cheap, the goverment and large corporations will then be the ones to profit.
I am curious if 10 years ago you would of thought that prices in Cannabis producing areas would have fallen by half? I did. Don't be surprised if they fall another 50%, over the next few years, and when fully legal the price drops really a lot. As long as I can legally grow my own I do not care who makes profit off Cannabis, I just want people to be able to use Cannabis for anything they want without fear of prison.
I guess I mean who makes most of the profit when you buy gasoline? When you buy food? When you buy almost any consumable including cars, homes, clothing, medicine, etc?
The government and large corporations.
That is one of the main reasons why alcohol and tobacco are legal and Cannabis is not.
-SamS
I guess I mean who makes most of the profit when you buy gasoline? When you buy food? When you buy almost any consumable including cars, homes, clothing, medicine, etc?
The government and large corporations.
That is one of the main reasons why alcohol and tobacco are legal and Cannabis is not.
-SamS
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BasementGrower
I was talking to a family member out in Colorado .. and he was saying that pot prices probably wont drop much more...on a buying standpoint.. but that the gov will tax u and u will end up making HALF of wat u were making if ur the grower.... its sad that this country has changed from a place to live the DREAM life having kids a job and opportunities.. to a place that is trying to control us so much that they start these crazy attacks on our own people like BOSTON.. and Sandy Hook.. just to take away more of our rights to STAY SAFE? lol.. id rather my privacy .. the only people who are in danger r the gov.. so of course they want to make us all feel in danger so we BEG for CAMERAS ON EVERY ST CORNER.
I love bubble hash and conventional hash but I still prefer smoking raw herb.
I think you remember what happened when the BHO craze started. A lot of people got hooked up on it to the point that they had to start adding it to the bubble hash and to buds to be smoked.
I doubt that it's the butane that's harmful really but the nitrates that are formed in the process. This is off topic and I only bring it up as an example of one way legalization could go wrong.
I think smoking herb is good for you and I still want it legal regardless of consequences due to the current mess we have with so many in prison for weed. People need cheap weed and that's why seeds help. Seeds keep well and you can grow your own for very little money. So why not just legalize it for folks to grow like we have it here now in California?
We can sell to each other and we keep it local. The prices are only so high still because clubs double the price. We have a big market for indoor so a fair price would be higher for indoor grown organic and it is.
I don't have to sell weed at all but clubs that sell my seeds love to have some of the herb to sell too. My concerns are for so many who need income to live. Joblessness looks only to continue to get worse and you can't outgrow this problem when corporate farms and robots take over all the rest of the simple jobs. Like driving trucks. Do you know how many truck drivers there are in the world? They better all figure on new jobs too I guess.
I plan to sell seeds if allowed but I also plan to die as plan B.
. Bog
I think you remember what happened when the BHO craze started. A lot of people got hooked up on it to the point that they had to start adding it to the bubble hash and to buds to be smoked.
I doubt that it's the butane that's harmful really but the nitrates that are formed in the process. This is off topic and I only bring it up as an example of one way legalization could go wrong.
I think smoking herb is good for you and I still want it legal regardless of consequences due to the current mess we have with so many in prison for weed. People need cheap weed and that's why seeds help. Seeds keep well and you can grow your own for very little money. So why not just legalize it for folks to grow like we have it here now in California?
We can sell to each other and we keep it local. The prices are only so high still because clubs double the price. We have a big market for indoor so a fair price would be higher for indoor grown organic and it is.
I don't have to sell weed at all but clubs that sell my seeds love to have some of the herb to sell too. My concerns are for so many who need income to live. Joblessness looks only to continue to get worse and you can't outgrow this problem when corporate farms and robots take over all the rest of the simple jobs. Like driving trucks. Do you know how many truck drivers there are in the world? They better all figure on new jobs too I guess.
I plan to sell seeds if allowed but I also plan to die as plan B.
. Bog
bayarea925
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I love bubble hash and conventional hash but I still prefer smoking raw herb.
I think you remember what happened when the BHO craze started. A lot of people got hooked up on it to the point that they had to start adding it to the bubble hash and to buds to be smoked.
I doubt that it's the butane that's harmful really but the nitrates that are formed in the process. This is off topic and I only bring it up as an example of one way legalization could go wrong.
I think smoking herb is good for you and I still want it legal regardless of consequences due to the current mess we have with so many in prison for weed. People need cheap weed and that's why seeds help. Seeds keep well and you can grow your own for very little money. So why not just legalize it for folks to grow like we have it here now in California?
We can sell to each other and we keep it local. The prices are only so high still because clubs double the price. We have a big market for indoor so a fair price would be higher for indoor grown organic and it is.
I don't have to sell weed at all but clubs that sell my seeds love to have some of the herb to sell too. My concerns are for so many who need income to live. Joblessness looks only to continue to get worse and you can't outgrow this problem when corporate farms and robots take over all the rest of the simple jobs. Like driving trucks. Do you know how many truck drivers there are in the world? They better all figure on new jobs too I guess.
I plan to sell seeds if allowed but I also plan to die as plan B.
Lol I was a truck driver for 14 years. I also know 4 other growers that we're drivers also.
It's been awhile since I've been to a club. But last time they are making more than 3 times what they pay for it. As "most" only sell by the 1/8th.
On a side note BOG. Looking forward to running sour boggle.
BOG,
I have and have had hundreds if not thousands of close friends and family that made a living with Cannabis.
Many quitting jobs in the corporate world, to be self sufficient via Cannabis.
I do feel for them if the prices continue to drop as I think they will. These are good folks, some I knew from the 70's until today, but they need to realize that things are going to change, in the future Cannabis will not be worth its weight in gold. Seeds maybe, maybe not. When I started the worlds first seed company Sacred Seeds in 1976, I had no idea of the changes coming to Cannabis. I really wanted to allow others to grow great seeds and to be able to have safe organic Cannabis without supporting giant violent cartels, as well as to help support my lifestyle. Clones, artificial lights, medical Cannabis, as well as international seed deliveries pretty much guaranteed that the war on Cannabis was lost by the governments, they just took a while to see it, many still think or say they can win. The battles will continue, but the war is lost by them already, if they admit it or not.
Not only do I think that Cannabis will get a lot cheaper soon, I think the amount of people that grow it will peak soon after it is fully legal as most Cannabis folk do not want to bother to grow it anymore then most folk want to grow their own food. Even Cannabis growers today are much the same, they use clones, or if seeds they want all female, or autoflower, they really just want to cut to the chase. Here in the EU 3/4 or more of Cannabis seeds sold are all female or auto or both. When Cannabis is legal and cheap like beer or food, then I suspect most youth will buy it at the 7-11. I am not saying this is good or how it should be, I just know the average Joe don't want to make his own beer or grow his own Cannabis when it is cheap and legal. There will always be Cannabis growers (me included), like there are home beer brewers, home veggie gardens, but it is a very small percentage of the beer, or food consumed in the USA.
I guess things will change, they always do....
No idea if it will all be positive, but I do support legal taxed Cannabis, treat it much like alcohol or tobacco. Enough families have been ripped apart and lives destroyed by the laws against Cannabis, legalize Cannabis for all uses, the sooner the better.
-SamS
I have and have had hundreds if not thousands of close friends and family that made a living with Cannabis.
Many quitting jobs in the corporate world, to be self sufficient via Cannabis.
I do feel for them if the prices continue to drop as I think they will. These are good folks, some I knew from the 70's until today, but they need to realize that things are going to change, in the future Cannabis will not be worth its weight in gold. Seeds maybe, maybe not. When I started the worlds first seed company Sacred Seeds in 1976, I had no idea of the changes coming to Cannabis. I really wanted to allow others to grow great seeds and to be able to have safe organic Cannabis without supporting giant violent cartels, as well as to help support my lifestyle. Clones, artificial lights, medical Cannabis, as well as international seed deliveries pretty much guaranteed that the war on Cannabis was lost by the governments, they just took a while to see it, many still think or say they can win. The battles will continue, but the war is lost by them already, if they admit it or not.
Not only do I think that Cannabis will get a lot cheaper soon, I think the amount of people that grow it will peak soon after it is fully legal as most Cannabis folk do not want to bother to grow it anymore then most folk want to grow their own food. Even Cannabis growers today are much the same, they use clones, or if seeds they want all female, or autoflower, they really just want to cut to the chase. Here in the EU 3/4 or more of Cannabis seeds sold are all female or auto or both. When Cannabis is legal and cheap like beer or food, then I suspect most youth will buy it at the 7-11. I am not saying this is good or how it should be, I just know the average Joe don't want to make his own beer or grow his own Cannabis when it is cheap and legal. There will always be Cannabis growers (me included), like there are home beer brewers, home veggie gardens, but it is a very small percentage of the beer, or food consumed in the USA.
I guess things will change, they always do....
No idea if it will all be positive, but I do support legal taxed Cannabis, treat it much like alcohol or tobacco. Enough families have been ripped apart and lives destroyed by the laws against Cannabis, legalize Cannabis for all uses, the sooner the better.
-SamS
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Yeah, I tend to get a little off topic sometimes. Glad people still want my regular seeds.
But, back to our destiny now...
We must have one whatever it is.
Marx believed a workers revolution would eventually come.
Christians think Jesus will return.
Buddhists believe Kosen Rufu will come and earth will be better.
I try to be optimistic and maybe we can figure out a way to provide people with jobs they can live with. It would just take some planning long term by some smart and altruistic people. Not corporate MBAs.
Change will come and America is probably behind on this. We seem to be the main proponents of the stupid war on drugs that even harmless herbs are included in.
My fear regarding pot is that what will be offered as marijuana might not be what I see as pot at all. I understand what industry likes to do...make a pill or water down the beer.
Do gooders pave the road to hell.
It depends on how it's legalized to me. If people can't grow their own then I think they will just do it anyway.
But, back to our destiny now...
We must have one whatever it is.
Marx believed a workers revolution would eventually come.
Christians think Jesus will return.
Buddhists believe Kosen Rufu will come and earth will be better.
I try to be optimistic and maybe we can figure out a way to provide people with jobs they can live with. It would just take some planning long term by some smart and altruistic people. Not corporate MBAs.
Change will come and America is probably behind on this. We seem to be the main proponents of the stupid war on drugs that even harmless herbs are included in.
My fear regarding pot is that what will be offered as marijuana might not be what I see as pot at all. I understand what industry likes to do...make a pill or water down the beer.
Do gooders pave the road to hell.
It depends on how it's legalized to me. If people can't grow their own then I think they will just do it anyway.
Funny stuff.
The complete opposite is about to happen in Canada. Our conservative government has passed new laws making mandatory minimums for cannabis production. 5 plants or more and you do a minimum of 6 months and with our federal MMAR program ending on March 31,st 2014 pot prices are set to skyrocket in 9 months time.
Growing dope may mean serious time. With the risk comes the reward.
The complete opposite is about to happen in Canada. Our conservative government has passed new laws making mandatory minimums for cannabis production. 5 plants or more and you do a minimum of 6 months and with our federal MMAR program ending on March 31,st 2014 pot prices are set to skyrocket in 9 months time.
Growing dope may mean serious time. With the risk comes the reward.
beam of light
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you need to hit up the monastery... the first conversation i ever had with a monk was about over population. i'm not going to preach or try to tell you otherwise(i've seen you mention it on a couple different occasions) but lets just say i'm grateful to have dropped such a harmful belief... *picture a slave busting out of his shackles like the hulk and taking his chains and using them against his former master* - that's how empowered i felt after this conversation(exaggerating a bit but not much)
with love
WISHING an HOPING for POT to be FREE here in FLA!!!!!!!!!!
WISHING an HOPING for POT to be FREE here in FLA!!!!!!!!!!
i dont care HOW it happens......
What we need to do is"get our foot in the door" like they say!
Ounce that happens,ALL will see that pot is harmless,and SO WHAT if they
try an manufacture weed like cigs....we all know how every strain has a very
different cannabinoid profile,and every plant for that matter....Yah,they will
sell their name brands to the dummies,but their will always be a place for the
ones that like their own personal types!!!
Lets face it,a good breeder that (holds on to specific genetics) that hopefully cant
be reproduced will have a small but good market still,like sam said"microbreweries"
or micro gardens that only have certain genetics for connecouirs will always be around!!!
PLUS their are a tun of lazy people that would rather NOT grow because of whatever?
i would rather be FREE to grow the thousands of plants that i use to,an sell it for 50 bucks
an oz RATHER then spend time in jail again.......anyday an all the way to the BANK!!!!!
Cannabis has 1000 times the flavor potentials as wine or beer/hardstuff does also.......
THINK about all the folks holding on to TOP quality strains,THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE
WOODWORK when legal......i CAN FEEL IT,what a RUSH it is going to be!
i may even open be able to grow like this again,an i DONT NEED MONEY,just freedom......
WISHING an HOPING for POT to be FREE here in FLA!!!!!!!!!!
i dont care HOW it happens......
What we need to do is"get our foot in the door" like they say!
Ounce that happens,ALL will see that pot is harmless,and SO WHAT if they
try an manufacture weed like cigs....we all know how every strain has a very
different cannabinoid profile,and every plant for that matter....Yah,they will
sell their name brands to the dummies,but their will always be a place for the
ones that like their own personal types!!!
Lets face it,a good breeder that (holds on to specific genetics) that hopefully cant
be reproduced will have a small but good market still,like sam said"microbreweries"
or micro gardens that only have certain genetics for connecouirs will always be around!!!
PLUS their are a tun of lazy people that would rather NOT grow because of whatever?
i would rather be FREE to grow the thousands of plants that i use to,an sell it for 50 bucks
an oz RATHER then spend time in jail again.......anyday an all the way to the BANK!!!!!
Cannabis has 1000 times the flavor potentials as wine or beer/hardstuff does also.......
THINK about all the folks holding on to TOP quality strains,THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE
WOODWORK when legal......i CAN FEEL IT,what a RUSH it is going to be!
i may even open be able to grow like this again,an i DONT NEED MONEY,just freedom......
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A cottage industry for medical marijuana now exists here and it provides income for so many people that total legalization scares people. Why can't we have a two tiered system one for recreational and one for medical that isn't taxed or allowed to be taken over by big business.
Ya know that capitalism just encourages over population and nobody seems to see why both are the main problem. Everyone racing to the bottom. Who can grow the most weed the cheapest is gross commercialization.
It is gross and we are devaluing the value of life itself! Once upon a time most people made a living on a small family farm. Most people lived a simple life off the land by their own hard work or they starved. It wasn't really much like what we now think of as capitalism.
You want me to come up with some alternatives?
Ok...a new steady state economy that doesn't require growth to exist. Is that impossible or all that radical to contemplate? Wouldn't the priority of people making a living be better than what we now have? Maybe we will just move on to expand and keep growing forever like in the movie Avatar where capitalism steals their natural resources and destroys their homes.
We don't need a doomsday disaster to make us all come tumbling down with the actions of the gifts of this world.
Ya know I make a living and I live decent but most people on this planet don't. Am I just crazy to think how we do things is really up to us or that there are other ways to look at things?
This world is Idiocracy now and while it makes me sad to think that I leave this mess behind for my grandchildren it's not our fault. We have been lied to ever since we were born. The things we have been taught to believe in are delusions.
I am full of delusions but what this all comes down to on this subject is do you want legalization really. I think Sam is very right about farming economics but wrong to assume things can't be different. I hope change can come but I'm too old to do it now.
Nobody wants to listen to a delusional old man who just wants to return to an age before he was born. You can have the future. Bog
We are too many people in the world, and too many people trying to obtain the "western" lifestyle now (especially China). As a global population we are depleting our natural resources much faster than earth can create them. It is exponential actually. The need for stuff. New cars, new clothes, new toys... How is all the stuff made?
The same bell curve associated with population growth can be matched up almost perfectly with the bell curve of the rate of receding glaciers, the rate of the destruction of the rain forest, the need for more corn fields to produce fuel and plastics, the national debt., etc..
They are all tied together so enjoy the world while you can because Mother Earth will hit it's own reset button in the form of global warming, humans will dwindle to near nothing, and only then will the Earth be able to heal itself. The destruction will not take long, the healing will probably take a few million years.
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Much less than that, look at how fast nature reclaimed Chernobyl
