Hypothetical Vert Lighting Setup Questions

[DaveTheNewbie]

Hi guys

What im after here are answers from people with experience in the options rather than just opinions from people that havent tried it.

IF i had 3 lights and 2 plants, would you rather setup :
1) light, plant, light, plant, light in a line
2) have 3 lights in a column with the 2 plants either side
3) have a light above each plant (horizontal) and a light in between

Vert lights rarely use reflectors. Often you will see a vert light in a corner or edge of a room using the walls as reflectors. Taking this theory why not have horizontal lights without reflectors and use the roof as a reflector. If this sounds silly why not use reflectors when vert as well? There has to be a consistent answer as to whether or not use reflectors no matter if your hanging vert or horizontal.

 

[Fly by Night]

3 bare bulbs dangling in a row, plant on either side. Then spread eagle those plants, get em wrapped around the light at a proper distance

Any talk of reflectors is nonsense to me homie. Peace

 

[bobblehead]

I think you should just do what's right for you Dave. I decided to try reflectors and I like them. Bare bulbs have their applications as well... If it was me, I guess i'd do both horizontal and vert. Gettogro does it.

Someone is real sensitive and dishing out neg rep like candy....

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

yeah how do i get neg rep for asking a question?

Fuckem, i have more spare

 

[Airnut]

I go on option 3.
But insted of directly above i think i would have mount the top ones in angles.

/ I \ = bulb angles
P P = Plants

Hope it make sense.. The vertbulb is lowered a bit down in between..
The two 45 degrees could use reflectors..

 

[Born Loser]

The first thing I thought when I read your post was "well, what kind of plant is he aiming for? short bushes, big round tall bushes, thinned out tall trees, keep em round or trained to screens, etc..."
Not that you want opinions, but I would build pvc screens in a square C shape- 2 opposing each other so they close up like a square. Train each plant to the 3 walls of their screen. Get em huge. close the screens up and have 2 vert bulbs down the middle, and 1 overhead w/ an umbrella reflector (the big 40"er or whatever) above them.
Go for 3000w and 3000gs.

But hey, that's me.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

The first thing I thought when I read your post was "well, what kind of plant is he aiming for? short bushes, big round tall bushes, thinned out tall trees, keep em round or trained to screens, etc..."
Not that you want opinions, but I would build pvc screens in a square C shape- 2 opposing each other so they close up like a square. Train each plant to the 3 walls of their screen. Get em huge. close the screens up and have 2 vert bulbs down the middle, and 1 overhead w/ an umbrella reflector (the big 40"er or whatever) above them.
Go for 3000w and 3000gs.

But hey, that's me.

ive tried PVC screens, flat and shaped.
They are a prick to move, maintain, harvest, and maintain
seriously they arent fun to work with.
and i didnt get enough of a bigger yield to justify it (yes a small one)

 

[Mister_D]

Would depend on a lot of other factors, but pretending for a second that nothing else matters, I'd do option one or three. Option one, obviously vert all the way. If choosing option two, I'd use vertizontal (only reflector i'd consider buying more of at this time) reflectors for the over head lights and vert bulb in the middle. If ceiling height were right for the setup I may forgo the reflectors and just use a painted ceiling as a reflector. My main issue with reflectors is the amount of heat they tend to radiate back towards your plants. The light aluminum ones (vertizontal, parabolic, vertical, and adjust-a-wings, etc) don't seem to have this problem as bad as the heavier steel models.

Oh, and no worries bout the neg rep. I hit ya with some positive to counteract whatever fucktard left ya with some neg

 

[bobblehead]

yeah how do i get neg rep for asking a question?

Fuckem, i have more spare

Hi guys

What im after here are answers from people with experience in the options rather than just opinions from people that havent tried it.

Like I said, someone is feeling sensitive....

Would depend on a lot of other factors, but pretending for a second that nothing else matters, I'd do option one or three. Option one, obviously vert all the way. If choosing option two, I'd use vertizontal (only reflector i'd consider buying more of at this time) reflectors for the over head lights and vert bulb in the middle. If ceiling height were right for the setup I may forgo the reflectors and just use a painted ceiling as a reflector. My main issue with reflectors is the amount of heat they tend to radiate back towards your plants. The light aluminum ones (vertizontal, parabolic, vertical, and adjust-a-wings, etc) don't seem to have this problem as bad as the heavier steel models.

Oh, and no worries bout the neg rep. I hit ya with some positive to counteract whatever fucktard left ya with some neg

Fucktard... I like that word.

The ceiling in his tent should make a nice reflector if it doesn't melt.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I hit you with some pos rep to. Don't know how much my rep gives though. Some where above neg 2 I think.

 

[SRGB]

DaveTheNewbie:


IF i had 3 lights and 2 plants


Hi, DaveTheNewbie.

O..X
..O..
X..O

Where `O` = bare bulb illumination, `X` = specimen

The middle `X` might be positioned as high as possible in the garden, or at `ceiling` level. The other light sources might be positioned sligly lower than the `inner` luminaire, and in such a manner that each luminare would shine upon both specimen.

Additionally,one of the `outer` luminaires might be positioned slightly lower than the adjacent `outer`luminare. The basic concept would be to arrange light sources in a configuration similar to a spiral staircase, where no 2 sources would be on the same plane, and thus would reduce the instance where light would shine into light. Another option might also be to slightly angle to `outer` light sources so that they shine down into the speciem similar to this `/`, an approximate 5 to 15 degree angle; starting from 90 degrees, that might be a roughly 85 to 75 degree position. The purpose of this configuration might be for a) a single light source to be the highest, shining on all specimen; b) 2 light sources irradiating 2 specimen each, and staggered asymmetrical illumination to reach different portions of the specimen than would be reached with standard purely vertical (90 degree) configurations.

We hope that this post might be helpful.

Best,
/SRGB/

 

[DHF]

Yeah Dave......Pos rep from me as well.....I`ve got no problem with the "helpful" rating , but these bullshit not helpful ratings suck big HOG BALLS.....They need done away with so any NEG rep is with the rep button on the other side of the page so you can actually READ who doesn`t agree with one`s post , instead of hidin behind a "not helpful" rating like a lil bitch.....

I`ve never hit the not helpful rating once in my life and don`t intend to , cuz I`ll tell yas EXACTLY how I feel in open forum as it should be instead of bein chicken shit , like a not helpful rating/neg rep means a damn thing anyways......now.....

When I ran my ebb and flow buckets , I angled my ceilings in the shape of a "hip roof" with 3-600`s inline and the 2 outside lights were reflected back down to the plants "angularly" , and the middle bulb got bounced back at the plants below from both sides with everything covered in reflectix making the room itself an air cooled reflector.....

Kinda sorta like what Airnut`s screamin , or even what Mr D said bout 2 parabolics on the outsides and the middle light dropped down between em once stretch is over , but hey.....

The biggest thing IME is makin sure all the light bounces up , down , and all around right back at the plants FTW , and then it`s strain and environment dialage to make em be all they can be , and then......

It`s all downhill from there.......Good luck Bro , just keep pluggin like the mule ass stubborn Aussie you are and yas`ll get there....bet on it.....Holler if I can help Dave.....anyways.....

Dodged cow turds walkin down to my 3 acre pond and caught a buncha catfish this mornin , so it`s "Fish Fry Friday" at Fred-ville with all the fixins......

Ya`ll come....and.....

Peace.....Freds..........

 

[Mister_D]

"Fish Fry Friday" Love it Think i'll be having some catfish for dinner also, though not as fresh as yours bro.......

 

[RM - aquagrower]

I think that i would stick with option 2. Reason being is I don't think ya get to utilize the full height of your tent unless ya got them bulbs stacked.

Option 1? Although I've never tried such a configuration, I really don't think that ya will have much room for the plants after setting it up in your 4x8. Altho SRGB's suggestion of angleing the lights would work (I think he ment for the Os to be plants and the Xs to be lights).

Option 3 could be interesting (I was an old scrogger before going vert). Concidering available height, and your environmental struggles in the summer, a couple AC hoods over SCROGs that start flat (3x3?), then radius into a V-scrog toward the center.

Seems to me, your struggles have not been so much your lighting configuration, but your nute delivery system(s). I would try to get that figgered out first. You were getting pretty good results (near 1 GPW) with the stack. Why change that?

Do gotta tell ya buddy, in about 12 years on the boards, I don't remember seeing anyone have as many struggles as you have. VT-Clear (back at OG) comes close, but I think ya passed him a few floods ago.

Reason I bring it up is cause 'ol VT kept at it and grew into a pretty damn good grower. Keep at it, and I have no doubts that you will too.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

this truely was a hypothetical question.
i was running 2 seperate donuts each with 1 light and 4 plants around it
then i moved to 3 lights in a column with plants surrounding the lights (option 2)
then i moved to light plants light plants light (4 plants not 2, option 1)

its a hobby for me and i like to fuck about and learn. i have yet to harvest with the current light setup and im not going to change until i have had at least a couple of harveys from it.

I suspect the column would be more efficient, but i notice alot of people have multiple lights but not in columns. it seems a popular option

Additionally,one of the `outer` luminaires might be positioned slightly lower than the adjacent `outer`luminare. The basic concept would be to arrange light sources in a configuration similar to a spiral staircase, where no 2 sources would be on the same plane, and thus would reduce the instance where light would shine into light. Another option might also be to slightly angle to `outer` light sources so that they shine down into the speciem similar to this `/`, an approximate 5 to 15 degree angle; starting from 90 degrees, that might be a roughly 85 to 75 degree position. The purpose of this configuration might be for a) a single light source to be the highest, shining on all specimen; b) 2 light sources irradiating 2 specimen each, and staggered asymmetrical illumination to reach different portions of the specimen than would be reached with standard purely vertical (90 degree) configurations.

the spiral staircase concept is pure genious. I spend at least one moment a day wishing i knew as much as SRGB. Its thinking 3 dimensionally. Spreading lights in the X Y and Z axis. Something akin to this would be my next idea.

Option 1? Although I've never tried such a configuration, I really don't think that ya will have much room for the plants after setting it up in your 4x8.

your right, it sucks up ALOT of realestate that i really cant afford to waste. There are a few burnt leaves about the place, but they are easily removed.

Dodged cow turds walkin down to my 3 acre pond and caught a buncha catfish this mornin , so it`s "Fish Fry Friday" at Fred-ville with all the fixins......

Dammit but every time you post your doing something awesome. You must have the best lifestyle of anyone on these forums.

 

[DHF]

I busted my ass for 30+ yrs Dave , killin myself 7 days a week to build a legacy and future for my son when I`m gone , and even though this shit`s your hobby , I used it as a tool to get what I needed while I was STILL livin and workin in the REALworld while cookin the books and payin taxes on illicit shit...and........

I`ve learned a few things in the process , and try ta share with folks that WANT to pay attention and learn.....Some folks get it.....most don`t......anyways.....

I`m old and don`t haveta work anymore if I don`t want to , but I still haveta maintain rental properties that haven't sold yet due to Obama`s economy , but for the most part I`m self sufficient and all my shit`s paid for....

Got rental fees payin for the beach house down south as far as property taxes and insurance is concerned , and outta 50 head of cattle , I get rid of the oldest 20 once calves are born twice a yr so that takes care of the farm to the tune of minimum 40K , and guaranteed farm and lakehouse are paid for , so property taxes , utilities , and insurance is all I worry bout on a fiscal basis.....

Everything else is on cruise control , and after being a "career criminal" in Hell ALL my life compared to legal caregivers in medville that hide behind a scrip and think they`re doin GOD`S work when we ALL know we`re STILL just growin dope , I feel blessed I never got caught cuz I was smarter than the average bear......that said.....

I PRAY for deliverance in all 50 states so I TOO can grow giant pumpkins in my already cowshit conditioned organic front yard some of these days , but I doubt it`ll ever happen before my old ass checks outta here.....anyways.....

Folks in medville are jaded and don`t know how blessed they are to appreciate the freedom they have and definitely take it for granted....regardless....

GF`s hollerin bout breakfast bein ready so.......Come getchas some scrambled eggs and cheese with biscuits and sausage gravy , sliced maters , and buncha bacon straight outta my smokehouse , along with killer cheese grits and fresh cantelope from the garden.....

Take care and hang tough Dave....

Peace....Freds..........

 

[anonymousgrow]

Not to derail the light question, I'll give you my two cents in a second.

DHF you sound jaded. Why don't you mov to a medical state, if that what you want? I live in a medical state because I moved here to grow cannabis. Been to jail a handful of times all for pot in a few different states then ended my own similar sounding rant as yours by moving to Cali.

And yes I think some people are jaded but there are people like me that are genuinely very fucking happy all the time cuz I made it. I set a goal for myself and now after being here for a bit I am living that dream. I am filled with joy as I walk around my outdoor garden.
Not only is the med scene great, but life is better than in then the dozen or so other states i have lived previously. Better weather, better people, better natural aesthetics.

I just feel like a fool for growing all those years under lights. I should have moved here 15 years ago and skipped the in between.

 

[anonymousgrow]

Lights. I would hang a high center overhead reflected bulb. Something with a tiny reflector. That will send the light down more than a big wide reflector will.
Then.
L
P P
L
L= light p= plant

 

[DHF]

Not to derail the light question, I'll give you my two cents in a second.

DHF you sound jaded. Why don't you mov to a medical state, if that what you want? I live in a medical state because I moved here to grow cannabis. Been to jail a handful of times all for pot in a few different states then ended my own similar sounding rant as yours by moving to Cali.

And yes I think some people are jaded but there are people like me that are genuinely very fucking happy all the time cuz I made it. I set a goal for myself and now after being here for a bit I am living that dream. I am filled with joy as I walk around my outdoor garden.
Not only is the med scene great, but life is better than in then the dozen or so other states i have lived previously. Better weather, better people, better natural aesthetics.

I just feel like a fool for growing all those years under lights. I should have moved here 15 years ago and skipped the in between.

Look.......I choose to stay in Hell cuz I`m done with growin dope for profit AG........

What I`ve built over the yrs has kept me humble and grounded regardless of turning into a paranoid borderline insomniac , so as far as movin to medville ?.....

I`ve been many many times over the yrs to help close growbro`s max out their indoor setups , and I`m cool livin in Hell where family and friends are.......now.....

If ya`ll don`t like what I post while I do my best to be cordial and help folks , put my old ass on ignore and then you don`t haveta see my shit......

AG.....I respect you and your setup , so you and Milky can agree to disagree with me , but just cuz ya`ll can`t see my shit like certain members round here scream "pics or it didn`t happen" , I assure all here that If I hadn`t done this as long as I have , I`d not be offering solid advice on HOW to do this shit that`s helped more folks than many have a clue about......anyways.....

I apologize for bein honest about medville , but it is what it is.....and I agree witchas AG.....If you`re consumed with growin dope and THINK you`ve got enough runs under yer belt to up and lose all family ties and roots to home and local community , then by all means.......

Move to the promised land and contribute to the CONSTANT price drop from more and more product available come Harvey in the fall from more and more influx of growers thinkin they`ll get rich if they just make it to the left coast and start growin dope for a livin.......

Or.....CO, MI , Me are legal alternatives if yas want somewhat better returns on investment , but hey.......don`t think that us informed folks don`t know about what actually goes to the clubs legally , compared to what REALLY gets shipped out to the rest of the country to KEEP yall`s profit margin up for outdoor mega weed production.....after all.....

You did say livin in a dozen states BEFORE landing in medville FTW ?......You don`t get there penniless , start up outta nowhere and grow giant pumpkins without financial backing so please.......

How much of your shit`s gonna go to the clubs and folks with a scrip or be outsourced....anyways.....

I just tryta help folks with less bein more....and.....I`m sorry if I rub some people the wrong way , but I keep it real......period....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

I busted my ass for 30+ yrs Dave , killin myself 7 days a week to build a legacy and future for my son when I`m gone

no doubt. I know a lot of rich people, but not a 1 is lazy. Where i come from you earn your keep

GF`s hollerin bout breakfast bein ready so.......Come getchas some scrambled eggs and cheese with biscuits and sausage gravy , sliced maters , and buncha bacon straight outta my smokehouse , along with killer cheese grits and fresh cantelope from the garden.....

Take care and hang tough Dave....

Peace....Freds..........

fuck me but if i ever come to USA im seriously gonna take your invite and come around for a meal or 2. And if i dont im still going to die dreaming of the life you lead.

for real, if i cash up then you will get a PM the next day saying im coming round.

and you wont be the only one.