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~Cannafornia Style~◆Area51~Kiddie Pool PPK◆VERT~Evolution~

DamnUglyDogE

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Hi, Alien Dawg.

Reducing the total specimen to 4 might be an option. 2 in each pool. With an estimated longer vegetation period, 8 specimen per pool might quickly grow into (over grow) each other, even with thinning. Perhaps 24/7, or 20/4 light regime, all luminaires on. Ideally, we would experiment with only 1 specimen per pool in that sized area, with the total light that you alluded to, but 4 might work well.

With the lights positioned something like

o..X..X..o
......o.....

where o = luminaire, X = pool.

Options might include staggering the lights in a `V` type shape, so they would not shine into each other; raising at least one of the lights to as high as it can go in the tent, so the specimen were encouraged to grow `up` during vegetation; angling the lights at approximately 15 degrees to form a more asymertical illumination pattern; positioning the specimen similar to this

z....z....
..z....z..

inside of the pools, with an extended vegetation period, the foliage might grow to fill the entire area; at least 12 stakes per specimen, in two concentric circles around the specimen. The branches which might grow into the areas where current vessels are positioned would be able to be tied to the pre-positioned stakes; forming the stake (support) array prior to specimen filling the area might be advantageuous. For example, once a given branch reached a stake at the outer circle of stakes, the new shoots and growth beneath the tie-point could be thinned or removed, permitting the terminal flowers to grow up into the light, without lower growth below.

Ideally, we would probably experiment with only 2 specimen in that entire area. 1 specimen in each pool. Yet, 2 per pool might provide you with the experiences and results you are seeking, without having to manage the long term care of single large trees, which if something were to be amiss, might be disadvantageous for the entire season.

The configuration appears similar to your existing system configuration. While it may be `challenging`, or a new experience, reducing to total number of specimen in that amount of space, at least in the pursuit of larger plants of trees, might be advantageous. The current configuration might tend to produce plants that would quickly grow into each other, without any further space to grow into.

Our initial goal might be to extend the vegetative cycle until the point where the gardener could stand at the entry to the tent and not be able to see to walls behind the specimen due to foliage mass. Perhaps then we might prune, thin, and initiate flowering. The culmunitive goal might be to not be able to see any wall behind the specimen at the conclusion of the season, due to the area being entirely filled, or `maxed out` with its capacity of foliage, fruit or flowers.

Good start. The above are merely considerations that we noted while observing your tentative new system. By no definitive or the only way to proceed. We hope that this post might be helpful.

Best,
/SRGB/

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Born Loser:

I was assuming he meant one plant per pool... He said 'ignore pots and bamboo'

You could train 1 to open the center and drop a light or 2 inline with the main stalk...
Height is always optional with extensive training /pruning.. To an extent :)


Hi, Born Loser.

Thanks for the reminder about `ignoring` the vessels inside of the pool. The existing vessels and configuration does help to determine scale.

We found height to be advantageous. Of course, it would be width if the training were to proceed laterally. Whether `height` or `width`, we would encourage elongation of branches to promote more nodes and shoots. Whether or not those shoots were trained to go `up`, or `sideways`, or spun into various shapes when tied to supports would be best determined by the gardener at that stage.

During experiments, we preferred angles. A 1 foot cube has 12 inch sides. Yet, if one were to draw a line from a lower corner to an upper corner, that line would be approximately 17 inches.

One could position a luminaire directly above a specimen and form a `cone` around it with plant or tree limbs.

We preferred to position luminaires offset, and asymertical, to produce light where there might not be any in a purely symmertical configuration. Either might work.

We preferred to tilt luminaires at approximately 15 degrees so that light would both shine down onto the specimen at an angle (similar to the sun), and shine only slighlty upwards, encouraging growth `up`. Even if the luminare was positioned closer to the specimen, there would still be some illumination (photons) traveling towards the top of the overall garden.

If the luminare was `over` a specimen, we would still offset it from being exactly `centered` over the `bowled` specimen, again, to create asymertrical photon patterns, similar to those found in nature, where the sun shines upon (or, irradiates; `strikes`) the earth at angles. Further, those angles change in nature as seasons change, or as the earth `wobbles` on its axis.

[EDIT: FOOTNOTE]
In our previous post, we mentioned angling a vertical luminaire at approximately 15 degree. To clarify, we 15 degrees from the starting position of 90 degrees. So, the luminare might have a true angle of either 75 degrees or 105 degrees. As briefly noted above, at least two of the goals of such a positioning would be 1) mimic sunlight; and 2) creating an array light waves travelling both downward and upward, from a primarily vertical position.

Just some options that we found to be advantageous. By no means the only routes to proceed.

We hope that this post might be helpful.

Best,
/SRGB/



:respect:


So well laid out...

Thanks to you guys I see difficulties that I had not understood with the idea of a large "Tree" grow in a Tent.

2 plant per seems to be a great option for a pool when trying for something on a large scale.

The
12 stakes per specimen, in two concentric circles around the specimen
Sounds like a great technique IMO.


Thinking in terms of angles and the work you have done as well as
the way you laid it out is GOLDEN to say the least...

I can visualize the grow from start though end a little better/realistically...


You have given me quite a bit to chew on and I love it...

Thanks you once again as this is some great information for
what is possible in the space I have.


:ying:
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Not that im sticking to a tree grow but I sure do like the looks of this grow....


That would just fit in the tent...lol
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Then again...

Where there is the will...

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View image in gallery




There is a way...






I dig plants and fear not ... :ying:
 

SRGB

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Alien Dawg:

Not so much Grafting as simple joining together/growing into one another.
Forming a single plant.(sort of) lol


Hi, Alien Dawg.

The technique that you described at #980 might be similar to `approach grafting`.

That is, for example, if the the two rose scions at the below illustration were `bonded`. The knob-like tissue that formed along the length of branch that was scarified would be where we would press the two scions together, wrap with florist or pipe wrap tape, perhaps apply a sealing paste around and covering the bond, and attempt to keep them as firmly pressed together as possible. A fair amount of rose stock at nurseries might be grafted.

srbgb-rose-roots-4.jpg


Best,
/SRGB/
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Alien Dawg:

Not so much Grafting as simple joining together/growing into one another.
Forming a single plant.(sort of) lol


Hi, Alien Dawg.

The technique that you described at #980 might be similar to `approach grafting`.

That is, for example, if the the two rose scions at the below illustration were `bonded`. The knob-like tissue that formed along the length of branch that was scarified would be where we would press the two scions together, wrap with florist or pipe wrap tape, perhaps apply a sealing paste around and covering the bond, and attempt to keep them as firmly pressed together as possible. A fair amount of rose stock at nurseries might be grafted.

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Best,
/SRGB/

Great example...

Quite a few months ago I looked into graphing techs and spent a good couple weeks taking note of this option...

Some place way down the road I will get to this tech as it sounds like such a great way to move strains forward is development.


Having chewed on this concept of (re using) a root system( for lack of a better term)
Graphing a new plant to a plant about to be cut.


Take Kong (for exsample)






Could I grow a cross of this plant (Caliente Kong)
and veg it out say 4 weeks in a 1 or 2 gallon pot.



Then...


Cut a v shape cut at a angle into the trunk of KONG.
(Not going more that 30% through the truck and a length of say 2")

Then cut the Caliente Kong trunk about 2" above the root ball in a
v shape.

Placing the CK into the trunk of the Kong and
wrap with florist or pipe wrap tape, perhaps apply a sealing paste around and covering the bond, and attempt to keep them as firmly pressed together as possible.

Say 3 weeks before harvest of the Kong...


Once you cut the Kong maybe leave the bottom 2 set of branches
for a week or 2 more.

The question is ....

Are you saying that in a example such as this.

The Caliente Kong would continue to use the Kong roots and continue growing through flowering ?
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Hard choices made....

Hard choices made....

Needing/wanting a better place for the M-BATF in the tent and tired
of slacking..

I've decided to go get chit dialed better.

1st thing was to make a place for him...

After looking at the pools and options/space is limited.

I found the weakest growing lady in the tent at took her out.

This was Blue hogs and due to getting pushed back and tied into
the lady next to her.

BH was not getting the light needed.

Though her buds were nice looking. They were all very small...
so...

I took her out and cut her her up.








Im working on the tent today and starting on pool 2( Pick and clean and rearrange and support the colas and branches for swellege and weight.




:)





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DamnUglyDogE

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Cool pics AD , The Ga3 growth is wild

Thanks Mister D....

I'm at a point that I didn't truly think would come... :YaRight:

The Ga3 looks to be working...

Now what :bashhead:

I have Alien og sitting next to a GSC
about to start pumping out pollen

Sharing a kiddie pool with 8 flowering plants with a fan blowing
on the tips of all plants.

Then just feet away there is a male BATF in a pool of 7 for company
that at the same time wants to drop his junk into a fan blowing upward...

:peek:


Being a stoner I want to just let it ride.. :woohoo:


But...

Wont... Theres work to be done.....

:beat-dead





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Whoa. :)
I'd take a dip in that pool!
I knew that GA would do the job. That looks crazy!
That Kong looks nuts. Hell, I'd keep doing what you are doing now. Maybe a bit bigger..
:)
What are you feeding them?
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Whoa. :)
I'd take a dip in that pool!
I knew that GA would do the job. That looks crazy!
That Kong looks nuts. Hell, I'd keep doing what you are doing now. Maybe a bit bigger..
:)
What are you feeding them?

Yeah loven the freaks.. Can't wait to see over the next couple week what they do.

I like the doughnuts in the pool for sure...

1 strain per and no more than 4 ladies each.. Golden.

I feed with jack hydro. .. Solid and easy. ..

The kong is an amazing looker for sure and just packs it on the whole way.

That is going to be one heavy mo~fo......:woohoo:

Turns fire red as well.. Maga bag appeal. . IMO. ..:ying:

My girl took me surfing(beautiful day) and messed up my work mode. Lol


See if I can back on track. ..lights on in a hour. ....
 
Thanks for the info! The grafting you described should work if I read it right. :) Did a lot of grafting in class in college. I just recently got back into it growing grafted Peyote. Peyote grafted onto Pereskiopsis (fastest growing cactus)- its truly amazing to see a pea sized button grow YEARS of growth in only 6 months when grafted. Hydro-grafted Peyote is even faster, :)
Anyhow, I digress...LOL
The Jacks is a great nute. Cant go wrong with their many decades of dedicated service. I will be using Jacks alongside Canna in a side-by-side in my next round. Never used Canna, and want to try it with some coco buckets (might fall on my face with the ideas I have for the 'system'). I am ordering new beans (undecided) - all I have on the way so far is BB cheeses, and I need something...well...a bit more reliable and don't feel like they will fit the bill in this grow yet. :(
So its back to the waiting game before I start up a thread. I should be able to choose some strains by tomorrow...for now I'll watch you closely. :)
Glad you enjoyed the surf. Great way to end the week..Now chopchop, get to the tent!!
Thanks for the show.
 

DamnUglyDogE

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Thanks for the info! The grafting you described should work if I read it right. :) Did a lot of grafting in class in college. I just recently got back into it growing grafted Peyote. Peyote grafted onto Pereskiopsis (fastest growing cactus)- its truly amazing to see a pea sized button grow YEARS of growth in only 6 months when grafted. Hydro-grafted Peyote is even faster, :)
Anyhow, I digress...LOL
The Jacks is a great nute. Cant go wrong with their many decades of dedicated service. I will be using Jacks alongside Canna in a side-by-side in my next round. Never used Canna, and want to try it with some coco buckets (might fall on my face with the ideas I have for the 'system'). I am ordering new beans (undecided) - all I have on the way so far is BB cheeses, and I need something...well...a bit more reliable and don't feel like they will fit the bill in this grow yet. :(
So its back to the waiting game before I start up a thread. I should be able to choose some strains by tomorrow...for now I'll watch you closely. :)
Glad you enjoyed the surf. Great way to end the week..Now chopchop, get to the tent!!
Thanks for the show.

Awesome stuff bro. ..
Jacks and canna side by side.... Nice....
I'm sure you'll find some sweet beans ta do you right.
One of these days I'm getting me some of DJ shorts gear. .
Can't wait. ..

Rock on with ya bad self...


AD. ..:abduct:
 

DamnUglyDogE

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