big plant ppk

[high life 45]

Wow consider the difference in cost between a 32 site undercurrent and a 32 site ppk setup....

LOL, luckily he got it second hand from a friend of his, Ill have to find out how much exactly he paid.

He's only gonna rock 16 plants in it,
a two part nutrient from the manufacture vs jack is also going down.. probably not this round but the next we will both run the same cutting of cookies.

Its his first time in the UC and the space, I have been in the ppks for around a year now....still I know a lot about the ucs and have built a few myself. I will be helping him as much as possible with any tips and tricks that may apply, I wouldn't watch him get root rot and not mention ewc tea or something like that.

 

[DHF]

Hey everyone Ive been really busy lately so I just thought Id share with ppk central that Im getting 1" a day growth rates.
This is in a 10x20' room with ONLY 3 1000w bulbs hung vertically in the room.
Thats only 15 watts per sq ft.
These plants aren't all cramped next to the bulbs either, they are evenly spaced through out the room. Some plants are over 6' away...the c02 isn't turned on.....

D9


HL45 over and out

Sorry Bro.....Can`t condone the crazy ass low wattage per sq ft......Or am I missin somethin ?......

I know D9`s all about the umol`s and par , and for the record.....I did well with a mex skunk hybrid I dialed for many yrs outside before putting her in Krusty buckets for a decade pumpin out 2 1/2 lber`s with 34 watts per sq ft , but again.....Am I missin somethin ?.....regardless....

I had laboratory conditions with perfect environment per the Krazy Klown ALONG with the mega RH levels inherent in my lil corner of the world that we now know as proper VPD till end of stretch.....and now about your plants......

It`s not EVEN about what they look like now , but most definitely how hard the nugs get , as well as adequate trich formation they end up with and finish on the vine......

Didn`t mean to intrude on the thread D9.....Just know for certain and beyond the shadow of a doubt how my only genetics I had at the time responded to increased wattage per sq ft compared to almost 20 yrs of growin her outside AND in......

Peace.....Freds...........

 

[high life 45]

Sorry Bro.....Can`t condone the crazy ass low wattage per sq ft......Or am I missin somethin ?......

DHF glad you didn't get to worked up in the name of helping other prosper, you know that I pump out trees!

Your not missing anything, your just looking at it the wrong way. Im glad you chimed in because this is not lab conditions. My set ups tend to be on the cleaner side but these plants are growing in Far from an IDEAL environment at the moment.

What I'm saying is Im getting "v8 performance when I only have 3 cylinders firing on a v10". The plants are growing faster than I have ever seen in this amount of light. We both know that it shouldn't be growing an inch a day in 15wpsf, thats why I had to post something.

Im finally feeling dialed and seeing the results...I'll be seeing 2"+ a day easy when every things on during stretch.

BTW DHF, PPK 4Plant 5Lighters are blowing me away, can't think of any other way I would use a 10x10 grow space from now on. You definitely got my attention on the 4plant5light set up and I must thank you for that.

 

[DHF]

DHF glad you didn't get to worked up in the name of helping other prosper, you know that I pump out trees!

Your not missing anything, your just looking at it the wrong way. Im glad you chimed in because this is not lab conditions. My set ups tend to be on the cleaner side but these plants are growing in Far from an IDEAL environment at the moment.

What I'm saying is Im getting "v8 performance when I only have 3 cylinders firing on a v10". The plants are growing faster than I have ever seen in this amount of light. We both know that it shouldn't be growing an inch a day in 15wpsf, thats why I had to post something.

Im finally feeling dialed and seeing the results...I'll be seeing 2"+ a day easy when every things on during stretch.

BTW DHF, PPK 4Plant 5Lighters are blowing me away, can't think of any other way I would use a 10x10 grow space from now on. You definitely got my attention on the 4plant5light set up and I must thank you for that.

Not gonna bust your bubble my buddy , but the reason they`re stretching that much is BECAUSE of the inadequate wattage and not cuz of the dialed PPK IME...or is it.....regardless......

Check for elongated internode spacing that will determine end results IME for dense and dialed nugs....but....

What matters most is if you`re happy with the finished product......I`ll be over here on my bucket watchin and waitin....and....

Glad the 10 x 10-5 light setups are hoonin for yas...........always did for me......

Peace....Freds..........

 

[Big John]

Wow consider the difference in cost between a 32 site undercurrent and a 32 site ppk setup....

I don't know how much the undercurrents run, but I know if ya added the money I've spent at home depot and lowes you'd be most of the way to a car. I got this problem where I'm always thinking up a different idea a month after I got the last one installed. And it's just right there down the road, open late, everything you need for a project! It can be a dicey situation for a diy addict

Thank god for the no questions asked return policy.

 

[otis33]

I don't know how much the undercurrents run, but I know if ya added the money I've spent at home depot and lowes you'd be most of the way to a car. I got this problem where I'm always thinking up a different idea a month after I got the last one installed. And it's just right there down the road, open late, everything you need for a project! It can be a dicey situation for a diy addict

Thank god for the no questions asked return policy.

I've got the same problem, in addition to the fact that I don't usually have single plan, more like two or three loose ideas of how it may or may not go. I end up buying 3x as much as I need. I promise I have two of every pvc fitting and I'm starting to get a nice collection of carlon fittings as well.

 

[Big John]

I've got the same problem, in addition to the fact that I don't usually have single plan, more like two or three loose ideas of how it may or may not go. I end up buying 3x as much as I need. I promise I have two of every pvc fitting and I'm starting to get a nice collection of carlon fittings as well.

I swear, the pvc fittings are like legos for adults. You can make all sorts of good stuff!

 

[disciple]

 

[disciple]

 

[irishdude5186]

Is the internode spacing the same as 40w psf or 50 wpsf in regards to the concerns DHF posted? Cant wait to see what it yields as electricity is so expensive over here plus low plant counts are very desirable when punishments depends largely on plant count. Thanks for sharing friend.

 

[disciple]

 

[high life 45]

New tricks

New tricks

its been said before, time for a lil vocab refresher..

Synergy is the interaction of multiple elements in a system to produce an effect different from or greater than the sum of their individual effects. The term synergy comes from the Greek word synergia συνέργια from synergos, συνεργός, meaning "working together"

Freds if your really my "buddy", then you will "burst my bubble" I wouldnt want my "buddy" doing something less than optimal imo.. the thing is you dont know what your talking about until you dig in those "storage" units get your gear out, and actually grow in a PPK.

Were all waiting for you to do it and eager for the revision on your horticultural commandments. Yes we all know that plant numbers dictate yeilds, but they also can dictate prison sentences. This isn't a krusty bucket, or blumats, or coco dtw, "all them years" are becoming outdated as the scene and its technologies evolve. As a species we are learning more and more about light and photosynthesis all the time.

Change, the only constant since always.

LEPs (not LEDs) are beating out hps and throwing the wpsf rule out the window. Once china reproduces the technology, the price will go down and Im pretty sure we will see a sudden increase in people pulling 1gpw+ yeilds with LEP's. The wpsf rule is HID lighting dependent as we all know that 50wpsf of incandescent or halogen lighting wouldn't grow nearly as good as hps, no matter the environment. LED's and LEP's exist, and they may or may not fit into your 50wspf rule. Esp LED's with each diode capable of specific nm of light. 50watts of xnm led's may be greater than 50watts of ynm led's.

I already had to "burst your bubble" about SM90, remember? ..."all them years" you grew with it and still were unfamiliar with its ph.

Guess who's the reason I had sm90 in the first place?

Thats why were here though, to grow and evolve as a community, share and reflect ideas and views, ask and answer questions, give and receive feed back.

Pictures are worth a thousand words, that means ya get at least 2thousand words to disprove me.

Here is 10wpsf for two week, in one of the xgrows you initially inspired LOL! The ripple of your own words coming back to rock your boat!

I didn't track the growth on these so I cant say how fast she grew but the internode spacing speaks for itself. Only bulb I had on was the center 1k until we flipped. In the second pic you can see all the bulbs are in, but only the center one was on. Believe it or not, I wouldnt veg with a bulb that low it if was on. The nugs are better than my last year of growing the same cut, best ive grown yet.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=35933&pictureid=1096773

Most everyone knows that you dont go directly from a 2'x4' t5 above a cloner, into 50wpsf of HID HPS lighting above a ppk. You wouldn't have any internode spacing, you would have internode BURNING.

I have respect and love for ya freds. You without a doubt helped me to get where I am today, as have many others onine. However, just because someones getting results that you never could doesnt mean its not possible.

HL45

 

[bobblehead]

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

 

[DHF]

HL.....I`m ALWAYS yo buddy , but everything you`re screamin goes against EVERYTHING I ever got to a dialed position for the best possible finished product ......and hey....

Technology rules and far be it from me to say there ain`t a better up and comin mousetrap , but I can tell yas categorically that I went from T-5`s to the big lights after pre-veg with 4-5 week old plants from bein cut and stuck without ever burnin any plants Bro , and I can tell you this for sure......

Yall`s PPK setups are awesome and defy all laws of nature with no rootborn disease issues , but ......The yields don`t measure up to dialed Krusty buckets even with the right hybrid as far as what`s been shown up till now.....regardless.....

All other fast hydro setups have potential imminent crop death potentials as to where the PPK`s don`t.....except for Dave......and it took a lil bit for his plant to croak.....now.....

The SM-90 issue you schooled me on that I agreed with you out of respect never happened to me ....ever......Never did the shit raise my ph with GH 3 part and silicablast @5 ml per gal.....or as I said originally maybe it did a wee bit and I blamed all of it on the potassium silicate for stemwall strength from the silicablast.....anyways.....

If yas don`t grow yas wither , and my sig says it all......Knowledge is power , and if yas don`t adapt you WILL perish....so since I`m old and retired not growin a PPK I`ll defer to those that are .....but.....

I`m ALSO from Missouri and you GOTTA SHOW me.....Pics are awesome , but honesty and integrity shine through in the end per Heath`s old saying bout the "science of repeatability" , and 10-15 watts per sq ft`s for top shelf nugs hardened with optimum trichome formation , so if you can do it EVERYONE oughta be able ta do it.....and lastly.....

D9 ....I greatly apologize for jizzin up yo thread , but HL started it............and as far as "synergy" goes Bro......

Show me some shit.......Dyin to see a setup that`ll grow big plants under practically NO wattage per sq ft and produce accordingly.....Thrillspan just finished a thread in hydro with slow recirculating buckets and all LED "vertical" hangin light arrays and did well.......

The only problem I saw was the lights cost $12,500 and the finished blue dream product looked good , but it was also the same wattage as conventional HID lighting so the jury`s still out , but I`m the most open minded old fart there ever was so I`m gonna say it again.....

Show me some shit and let`s see some other folks do EXACTLY as you`re doin with the exact same results , and then it`s documented and written in stone......a done deal.....regardless......

Got nuttin but love fer yas HL.....Just keep it real and let ALL learn from it for the benefit of the community , cuz I know EVERYONE would loveta grow big plants with babyshit wattage.....

Peace....Freds.............

 

[Ichabod Crane]

 

[bobblehead]

I`m ALSO from Missouri and you GOTTA SHOW me......

Missouri isn't anywhere near the ocean... Can you at least stick to the same story?

Show us some shit Freds... We've put ours on the table.

 

[DHF]

Missouri isn't anywhere near the ocean... Can you at least stick to the same story?

Show us some shit Freds... We've put ours on the table.

Missouri`s the "Show me " state BH.......

I `m nowhere near there and was tryin to make a point.....What`s your deal dewd....

I don`t owe you a thing , can you say the same ......sounds like you`ve got underlying anger management issues.....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Wait what are we getting popcorn for? I have been lurking for awhile.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Wait what are we getting popcorn for? I have been lurking for awhile.

Popcorn good. . Multiple personalities, would be my 2 guesses ...