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[soursmoker]

so vortex/phresh filter over can fan/filter?

 

[trichster]

to answer your question about heat difference between 1k and 600, a 1k is 40% hotter running when at full power. If both are running at 600w then your only making 600w of heat, they would be around equal heat. Now 1k bulbs are only $3 more then 600w where i get my bulbs(ushio) and get replaced slightly less frequent then 600w.

Fan/filter wise Id go with a Vortex and 6x24 phresh filter. Should be plenty for a 600 and just enough for 1k.

 

[otis33]

my first grow started last May with a1000 wt 8 plant donut. I stumbled on the vert section while trying to figure how big of a reflector I could afford. it made sense to go bare bulb with no reflector. I started blind, thinking if I had a light and some clones I'd have a harvest in two months. I stumbled through that first grow buying equipment and learning as the plants grew. the harvest was impressive for a first grow with no experience.... today, a bit more than a year later, I run 7600wts of flower 1200 or so veg between two locations, and am considering quitting my day job. working your way up is possible if you are determined. if you trust the investor, maybe things can go quicker. I recommend donut grows, pm me if you have any specific questions. good luck.

 

[babelfish]

This has always been my dream, have a cool investor that is down for pretty much anything. Nothing is set in stone yet but I have a good feeling he will be down when I lay it out for him... I want to have some basic numbers/figures ready for him for when I go to talk to him though. So that is where you guys, the pros come in...

I wanna say right now, I am gonna need some help, that's why I am posting this. I have only grown under a 150w HPS but unless everyone has been lying to me, they say that micro growing is much more challnging then full scale growing and i figure as long as I have a proper setup and the right equipment I shouldn't have much to worry about. I know there are unforseeable events but prevention is the key as they say.

So time to talk some real shit...

first off locaton is the biggest issue. We have no spot currently to use so that will prob be the biggest expense but idk if he will care based on his background. And he may be planning this to be a long term investment, where I am looking at it short term.

Let's talk equipment. What do you guys think is a good amount to ask for to get a proper setup rolling? this is only for equipment for the grow... no rent, electricty bills or anything... just the loan for the gear.

How big he wants to go is still unknown so for now let's just say we are keeping it somewhere between 2k-6k

I was figuring 10 G's. Just to play it safe and have some spare just in case "OH SHIT" money...

does that sound about right guys?

I don't wanna go into too much detail without some ideas being thrown around because I know you guys have a much better idea then I do...

If anyone feels more comfortable in PM, just shoot me one...

THIS IS JUST FOR IDEAS. IT IS NOT YET IN PROGRESS,

40k

 

[Born Loser]

10k over cost, up front for lawyer retainer/bail/cash in case something goes wrong.
Paying for lights and such is the smallest part of the deal.
I would tell him that you are in if he pays for the spot, but you find it, and he has no idea where it is. Video update him if you must...

 

[soursmoker]

Ah so many decisions... So for ballasts... I think I am deff going Quantum unless someone reccomends not to...

400w is $130
600w is $140
1000w is $150

USHIO Hilux Bulbs in same order:
400w is $40
600w is $60
1000w is $70

It only makes sense to go with the 1000w makes it is only $50 more in total then the 400w setup... but I just DON'T SEE myself running 1k ANYTIME SOON...

Also would I run into any problems if I went with this fan instead of a Can or a Vortex or should I once again just pay the extra $50 bucks?


http://www.amazon.com/Inch-ValuLine...1371990506&sr=8-17&keywords=6+inch+inline+fan

EDIT: How are Hurricane fans in comparison to Vortex's? I can get a 6" Hurricane for $70 vs. a 6" vortex for $140...


Also would it be fine to get the 6"x16" Phresh Filter instead of the 6"x24" to match the above fan, Or should I go with Can still? Anyone have any reccomendations for speed controllers?

Also how loud are these fans going to be? I want to be able to cool my fans and exchange air twice per minute but i don't want my bedroom sound like an airport runaway... anyone have any reccomendations for duct muffler/silencers?


EDIT: Just to be Clear, THIS IS ALL FOR PERSONAL EQUIPMENT> NOT INVESTOR PLAN.

 

[trichster]

Any fan you get will be pretty loud. The vortex i would say is slightly quieter. The valuline is slight step down and hurricane is slightly behind the valuline. Id go with the Vortex if you got the money, Ive had mine running for 7 years never shut it off. I have a valuline to but its 8'' and buddy has a hurricane 8'' and there not as high quality as Vortex.

Carbon filter wise a 6x24 is barely enough to get rid of odor on full all out 1k grow. Ive bought new Phresh 6x24's and could still smell things. If i could do it again I would have got a 8x39 and put a 6'' adaptor on it back then.

muffler wise i have never used 1. I run a carbon filter at begining and 1 at the end. So I got 2 6x24's on same line. NO smell, No sound(hardly), and ive done this for going on 6 years with no issues with same Vortex. Im sure guys will say shouldnt do that for some reason or other but It works and I will always run with 2 filters on blooming rooms.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

Glad to see you listened to some people in this thread. Most if not all people started small, and worked their way up from there. I started with 1 600 watt and barely got a harvest the first time. Now I run much more than that, and have monthly harvests. There is a lot involved with more lights, and multiple rooms. Broad mites just knocked me back down to the ground. I thought I had everything dialed in, and running like clock work. Then the broad mites decided to show me I don't know shit. Even with broad mites I did not miss a harvest. I will have decreased yields, but still kept the rotation going.

When I went form 1 600 watt, to running more I got way ahead of myself. I started to look for a basement to blow up, and yada, yada, yada, you know the drill. I pulled back, and started to focus on what I have, and not what could be. My growing skills are far superior to what they were because of this. I have not missed a monthly harvest in a year and a half. Might not sound like a big deal to some, but it is much harder than I would have ever expected it would be.

I am at a point now where I don't really want more lights(deep down we all want to run a 100 lights ), but I want to work on my yields. I have more than enough watts. With the right skills, and the right market you don't need to blow up a basement, or rent house to make it.

Slow, and steady wins the race.

 

[DHF]

Ah so many decisions... So for ballasts... I think I am deff going Quantum unless someone reccomends not to...

400w is $130
600w is $140
1000w is $150

USHIO Hilux Bulbs in same order:
400w is $40
600w is $60
1000w is $70

It only makes sense to go with the 1000w makes it is only $50 more in total then the 400w setup... but I just DON'T SEE myself running 1k ANYTIME SOON...

Also would I run into any problems if I went with this fan instead of a Can or a Vortex or should I once again just pay the extra $50 bucks?


http://www.amazon.com/Inch-ValuLine...1371990506&sr=8-17&keywords=6+inch+inline+fan

EDIT: How are Hurricane fans in comparison to Vortex's? I can get a 6" Hurricane for $70 vs. a 6" vortex for $140...


Also would it be fine to get the 6"x16" Phresh Filter instead of the 6"x24" to match the above fan, Or should I go with Can still? Anyone have any reccomendations for speed controllers?

Also how loud are these fans going to be? I want to be able to cool my fans and exchange air twice per minute but i don't want my bedroom sound like an airport runaway... anyone have any reccomendations for duct muffler/silencers?


EDIT: Just to be Clear, THIS IS ALL FOR PERSONAL EQUIPMENT> NOT INVESTOR PLAN.

I ran vortex fans and matched cfm carbonaire scrubber combos from plantlightinghydroponics.com.....

I`d go with the dimmable ballasts and 600 eye horti`s but they cost more although they last longer.....You can find duct mufflers/silencers , but I`m not knowledgeable on em since I never used any......

Make sure you use active intakes on speed controllers dialed down so as to not overrun the exhaust scrubber combo`s to maintain negative pressure inside the grow area.....

Small muffin fan underneath the bare bulbs on the lowest speed to establish that "slow-moving" column of air to gently assist natural heat convection rising so the scrubber combo`s are "always" pulling heat and smell out of the room.....

You can do this.....Make a plan and stick with it.....set goals and make shit happen.....Got so many of my vert-ville boys like Otis that started with very little and have constantly grown and prospered accordingly.....anyways.....

Good luck and holler if I can help...

Peace....DHF............

 

[soursmoker]

Any fan you get will be pretty loud. The vortex i would say is slightly quieter. The valuline is slight step down and hurricane is slightly behind the valuline. Id go with the Vortex if you got the money, Ive had mine running for 7 years never shut it off. I have a valuline to but its 8'' and buddy has a hurricane 8'' and there not as high quality as Vortex.

Carbon filter wise a 6x24 is barely enough to get rid of odor on full all out 1k grow. Ive bought new Phresh 6x24's and could still smell things. If i could do it again I would have got a 8x39 and put a 6'' adaptor on it back then.

muffler wise i have never used 1. I run a carbon filter at begining and 1 at the end. So I got 2 6x24's on same line. NO smell, No sound(hardly), and ive done this for going on 6 years with no issues with same Vortex. Im sure guys will say shouldnt do that for some reason or other but It works and I will always run with 2 filters on blooming rooms.

that is a great idea I have never thought of that! Tonygreen suggested the Panasonic Whisperline... it is 440 CFM 8" and says it's the quitest fan available... period. My current room won't even fit the 8"x39" scrubber but I guess I could mount it on the outside of the cab...I agreee overkill on carbon filters is never a bad thing... I don't think I need to do double this time though if I get a quiet fan and the 8" scrubber... I will take it into consideration if I build bigger rooms later though...

BTW I will not be blasting full 1k at ANY time in the next 2-3 years... starting out at 400 and if environment is dialed will try 600... don't have a dedicated circuit though to feel safe enough to run the full 1k

Glad to see you listened to some people in this thread. Most if not all people started small, and worked their way up from there. I started with 1 600 watt and barely got a harvest the first time. Now I run much more than that, and have monthly harvests. There is a lot involved with more lights, and multiple rooms. Broad mites just knocked me back down to the ground. I thought I had everything dialed in, and running like clock work. Then the broad mites decided to show me I don't know shit. Even with broad mites I did not miss a harvest. I will have decreased yields, but still kept the rotation going.

When I went form 1 600 watt, to running more I got way ahead of myself. I started to look for a basement to blow up, and yada, yada, yada, you know the drill. I pulled back, and started to focus on what I have, and not what could be. My growing skills are far superior to what they were because of this. I have not missed a monthly harvest in a year and a half. Might not sound like a big deal to some, but it is much harder than I would have ever expected it would be.

I am at a point now where I don't really want more lights(deep down we all want to run a 100 lights ), but I want to work on my yields. I have more than enough watts. With the right skills, and the right market you don't need to blow up a basement, or rent house to make it.

Slow, and steady wins the race.

yes thanks everyone for talking some sense into me... I like to get ahead of myself sometimes with my ideas... I will try and take it as slow as possible...

I ran vortex fans and matched cfm carbonaire scrubber combos from plantlightinghydroponics.com.....

I`d go with the dimmable ballasts and 600 eye horti`s but they cost more although they last longer.....You can find duct mufflers/silencers , but I`m not knowledgeable on em since I never used any......

Make sure you use active intakes on speed controllers dialed down so as to not overrun the exhaust scrubber combo`s to maintain negative pressure inside the grow area.....

Small muffin fan underneath the bare bulbs on the lowest speed to establish that "slow-moving" column of air to gently assist natural heat convection rising so the scrubber combo`s are "always" pulling heat and smell out of the room.....

You can do this.....Make a plan and stick with it.....set goals and make shit happen.....Got so many of my vert-ville boys like Otis that started with very little and have constantly grown and prospered accordingly.....anyways.....

Good luck and holler if I can help...

Peace....DHF............

Don't think they have the carbonaire scrubbers anymore... just Phresh and Phat filters... what size fans did you run?

does anyone know if the 1000w dimmable quantums can fire 600 bulbs or do you buy 1000w and dim em down to 600?

Hmm you reccomend Eye Horti's? I thought USHIO's were the best but I'll check it out...

You really think I need an active intake? I have a window banger A/C in the "lung" room... I have been meaning to talk to you about that too... but with a big enough passive intake and the low speed fan blowing up the heat won't be enough for the big old fan to pull it all up?

I really wasn't anticipating the active intake idea...

Tonygreen reccomended to check out 8" Panasonic Whisper line fans... they push 440CFM and are apparently almost dead silent...

thanks for the encouragement DHF.. haha I got this bro... Don't wanna get ahead of myself like Bobble did and set huge goals... so I just wanna pull a full LB before I have to close shop and move to the next spot...

DHF.. do you not answer PM's for a reason? lol

 

[Big John]

The soler and palau fans are pretty good for a quiet mixvent fan too. All sorts of mounting options.

I've ran both the can and phresh filters, and I'll never buy another can. Unless you got another person assisting you it's just more of a pain in the ass to lift and hang the heavier can fans, and the phresh have lasted just as long. The design and carbon they use adds much less static pressure on the fan so you'll get more cfms out of the same exhaust setup.

Good luck man.

 

[rocketman420]

i like phresh myself i have tried a few other filters twice as heavy and only last 3 months. phresh filters is were its at, they are very light and work great. go with the 1000 watt dimable, i used to have a 400 watt and kicked myself in the ass 2 months later when i had to buy all new lights. 1000 watts dimmed down 1/2 is 500 watt, the more light, bigger buds.

 

[soursmoker]

Ok looks like I am definitely going with the Phresh filter then...

anyone know if PLH accepts Pre-Paid Visa Gift Cards?

They have this message on their homepage..

New Customers; Please be advised that all orders over $500.00 require a signature at delivery unless you waive the signature in the notes field when you place an order. If your billing address is different from your shipping address we will require a copy of your drivers license to verify credit card ownership; otherwise we will only ship to the billing address. These procedures are to protect the credit cardholder.

they seem to be pretty serious about the credit card info... not that they shouldn't be... there is credit card and Identity theft going on all around us but it sucks for us growers...trying to order some shit anonymously...

 

[FlowerFarmer]

So long as you register (add address) your pre-paid against your shipping address I don't believe they'll be any problems.

If you want to be anonymous though you're going to have to send a money order or buy locally in cash.

If sending MO you'll be for the most part anonymous, but can assume you're order/shipping details will still be held at PLH. I don't think it's anything to really sweat, but if you're concerned.... These records WILL exist at both PLH and the shipping service (UPS/Fedex).

 

[soursmoker]

PLH said I can stack as many $100 visa pre paids as I need to if they are all registered... I got it all figured out...

I changed my mind again... I have problems... I think I am going to go with the 600w dimmables because I SERIOUSLY will not need full 1k anytime soon and like someone mentioned... I had the galaxy's and quantum mixed up... galaxy let's you choose 1000w, 600w, 400w... quantums let you choose 100%, 75%, 50% of whatever wattage you are running...

So 50% of 1k is 500 watts and that is overkill! I am not ready to run that kind of wattage right now, I thought 400w was going to be pushing it...

Reasons why I am so concerned about wattage...
1) Old house, don't trust electric...
2) Attic, very hot in summer, trying to kepe as cool as possible...
3) on a shared 15A bedroom circuit... shared with computer & phone chargers, TV, videogames... fans... A/C.

I do not trust 500w plus what I am already running on a 15A SHARED circuit...

So sorry guys, I agree 1k is a good option to have but for my situation I have to go 600...

 

[d3cryption]

who cares if it's a old house? You don't trust the wiring? you better get a electrician out that, or read up on it.........

safety first...

also good choice, on going with the 600......... I use to run 1ks vert.. but made the switch to 600s....
cheapest 600s you'll find ( cheapest i found ) hydro crunch (ebay) for $90. or you can go with the revolt ballast....

 

[whatthe215]

add a new circuit? sometimes i say fuck code and just drill holes and pull wires... been running a 50A subpanel with a wire strung across the ceiling (secured to a stud) for a year now. just pops into the main panel through a knockout and hole in the wall.

nice way to temporarily get an extra dedicated 20A for the tent...

but don't do some ghetto shit until you understand how it works.

 

[soursmoker]

no i understand electricty but I'm not installing any new circuits or anything here... my friend is an electrician (working on getting his license) and I would have him check/do any work... but I don't wanna install any new circuits and I don't even think their is room for one...

 

[rocketman420]

if all you got is a 15 amp breaker you defiantly need to run more power. run 240 v breaker you can get twice as many lights on one breaker and the lights were made to run off this voltage because it uses half the amps to run. go to lowes or home depot and get an electrical tester they are cheap and will tell you if your wiring is right. all you do is plug it in and the light tell you if its grounded backwards or correct. then check the breakers and make sure your wire is right. 15 amp 14 gauge, 20 amp 12 gauge, 30 amp 10 gauge, ect. and trust me do it right the first time, wire it right, get the 1000 watt you can always dim it, get a oversize fan so you can hook up more lights later and it wont be as loud if its dialed down with a speed controller. 500 watts is not over kill I veg under 600 watt and my buddies that use less light there plants don't look near as thick.

 

[soursmoker]

I fully agree with the statement, "overkill is underrated"

But what I mean is it's overkill for my current situation... my flower area is a sad 25.5"x28.5" there would be no space for plants to stretch in a vert setup... they would just burn right up...