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[Cabinet Ninja]

What up Sour!

I'd echo what others have said here. Wait a while until you can move to a location that a tent could be put up. Chuck a 400 or a 600 in there and in 4 months you can start expanding.

I've only ever grown with CFLs and a 400w HPS and I didn't get anywhere near 0.5g for my first run.

Main thing, no matter what you do is stay safe and stay smart!

Let us know how things pan out though bud

 

[lazy gardener]

to be honest I have the all in or nothing thing too! I'ts really hard to break. I'm working on it every minute. all the money I spent and ended right back to the KISS! Check it- a guy just got busted and all he had was a tarp for flowering in a barn thrown over the rafters and blocks holding down the edges and 2 6 hundreds. guy never gave a second look at air survaliance, smell, or even a pad lock or mowing the gass= mother fucker put out some dank ass shit and yeilds a truck load! fucking amazing what some do and some dont. I have about 20+ inches in my attic and another 6 inches for the walls of insulation. the guy got tagged for stealing a car and thats how they searched his property. good luck guy. but most of all JUST DO IT! 4 months is 4 months, and get you some auto flower also so you will have some smoke to choke on while the others stack buds

 

[hush]

thanks man... not sure where you are but no one is paying $1600 for a QP near me...

you must have missed the part about me not being able to order anything... I have cash... more then enough to setup what I am talking about... i just can't order it...

sounds like you are on the right path tho... good for you... where did you get your equipment from?

Well, in my defense, you did say this:

yeah being on the east coast helps with profit margins...

...so I extrapolated from there, and assumed you were in a place where people pay $400 an ounce at the retail level, which is also what I specified. That doesn't mean anyone's going to buy a qp from you for $1600. It meant that you could sell $100 quarter-ounces to 16 people. That would take a weekend, at most. I am on the east coast, and I know for a fact, from Florida on up to NY, that this is easily achieved.

Nonetheless, I just read the part about how you already have the cash. So if that's the case, then yes, my suggestion is null and void. I didn't realize your situation was that you are for some reason unable to have equipment ordered to you? Is this because of security?

If so, I gotta tell you... going in with a partner is the WORST thing you can do for security. I saw another post before where you were saying you can't go to a hydro shop. Honestly bro, don't take this the wrong way, but you have your paranoias all skewed! Going to the hydro shop and paying cash for something, using a rented car if you really must, is WAY more secure than conspiring to commit crimes with a partner, in my opinion. But the truth is, using Amazon or Ebay to order your shit and have it sent to you is even MORE secure than going to the hydro store.

I ordered all my stuff from Amazon, and I made sure to only order things that reviewers reported were sent in brown boxes. Be careful of some of the "cheaper" items being sold on Amazon... lots of them come to your door in the manufacturer's box! With labels and pictures all over it!

Good luck to you, whatever you end up doing.

 

[mowood3479]

Ill just say two things, as kindly as i can...
I would not invest my $ in ur proposed project..
But if u really want to do it, and u have someone u trust willing to front u 10k..
Rent a house with a nice basement, run as many lights as u have power and balls for.... Rinse and repeat..
U can make a living and its def doable.. But think about this?
If i wouldnt even consider investing in ur project, why is ur investor going to want to?
If he has enough $ that he can risk 10k on an unproven illegal project then he prob doesnt need to do illegal shit to make more $..
What im getting at is that u should consider and try to understand the motives of the people u do buisness with.. Easier to see a snake in the grass if ur being honest with ur self and are keeping tabs on things..
Good luck..

 

[soursmoker]

I see what you are saying 100%.

 

[frankenstein2]

I know partners are bad, trust me I have read about it over and over again on this site but sometimes there are no options left... If I can't go bigger at home then where am I gonna go bigger? I know no one ever expects to get fucked over but I really don't see it happening... he wouldn't have much to steal from me... He would be the one taking most of the risks...

Frank thanks for the advice... I will prob skip on the table and rockwool because i like my dirt... Never messed with hydro much and there isn't much room for error so I'd rather go with something I have past experience with. Organic soil is so easy... Water it...

Roughly how much was it for that whole setup you spoke of frankenstein?

It was right around 5 grand to get going. That's with co2 equipment, and ac.

 

[DHF]

Just wanted to stop in and apologize for all the negativity from folks that as said earlier don`t actually "read" the questions concerning the thread , but rather try to shove shit down your throat cuz you`re a micro/cabinet grower.......

Waaay too many experts and opinions around public forums where NOBODY reads the body of the question , but rather generalizes and points fingers at the negatives of partners/investors...and...rightfully so IME cuz 2 people can keep a secret if 1`s dead and gone in a "Non-med" state situation IME , but I digress.....

SS.....You`ve got nothing but neg rep since this thread started......Just take this shit to pm with knowledgeable and experienced folks and stop having to explain shit that can`t be explained in an open public forum....

WT215 and Frank were the only positive contributors to this thread since it started that I`ve seen , but I could`ve missed a couple....other than that....sure ...lack of experience with bigger setups ALWAYS takes runs under your belt , butchas gotta start somewhere once yas got a workin knowledge of growin dope.....

WT215`s my fuckin hero for the fast track he`s taken from novice to full-fledged cropper in such a short time , so it`s do-able if yas do yer homework and follow details......

Sheesh....Sure ...failure`s around every corner , and dewd`s said he CAN`T upgrade in his present situation without the investor scenario at elsewhere surroundings , so give a brotha a break.....all things in time.....

Peace....DHF...........

 

[FlowerFarmer]

Word to that.


Hang some bare bulbs.
Spend money on Ballasts, Bulbs, & Air Conditioning. Simple base nutes.


It's the nature of the posts however that cause for some concern.

Don't think partnerships are your only option. They can often end in prison. Sometimes patience is the best play. Take your own dough.. and go about your own efforts or make a calculated decision on if you can 100% take responsibility for your own actions while possible having a partner/investor who might not.

Starting from the bottom and going 100% alone without anyone ever having any knowledge that one was even remotely involved in cultivation is PRICELESS.

Best of luck.


That aside.
You've got the money and space. My advice...keep it cheap, but pro.

Buy: (for sealed w/ co2)
ballasts
bulbs
cordsets
window or split ACs @ 4500btu per 1K of light
flat white paint or poly
good dehumidifier for night cycle
co2 generator (nature gas or propane depending on location situation.)
Fan/Filter combo for odor control (recirculating)
simple on/off co2 controller/sniffer (no fancy environmental stuff here)

Just the essentials for doing it proper and most easily dialed.




go water-only soil mix (see TonyGreen signature) or simple base nute in DTW coco. Plastic grow bags are cheap. Make poly "basins" to catch/direct run-off.

Don't waste investor funds on "mainstream" overpriced nutrient lines. Keep it really simple.

 

[pisspotgrower]

Just wanted to stop in and apologize for all the negativity from folks that as said earlier don`t actually "read" the questions concerning the thread , but rather try to shove shit down your throat cuz you`re a micro/cabinet grower.......

Waaay too many experts and opinions around public forums where NOBODY reads the body of the question , but rather generalizes and points fingers at the negatives of partners/investors...and...rightfully so IME cuz 2 people can keep a secret if 1`s dead and gone in a "Non-med" state situation IME , but I digress.....

SS.....You`ve got nothing but neg rep since this thread started......Just take this shit to pm with knowledgeable and experienced folks and stop having to explain shit that can`t be explained in an open public forum....

WT215 and Frank were the only positive contributors to this thread since it started that I`ve seen , but I could`ve missed a couple....other than that....sure ...lack of experience with bigger setups ALWAYS takes runs under your belt , butchas gotta start somewhere once yas got a workin knowledge of growin dope.....

WT215`s my fuckin hero for the fast track he`s taken from novice to full-fledged cropper in such a short time , so it`s do-able if yas do yer homework and follow details......

Sheesh....Sure ...failure`s around every corner , and dewd`s said he CAN`T upgrade in his present situation without the investor scenario at elsewhere surroundings , so give a brotha a break.....all things in time.....

Peace....DHF...........

From what i read he asked questions that were answerd honestly, and after any negativity was revieved seemed to work it self out with no negative effects...so i know im new here but ....

cheers for apologizing on my behalf.......

 

[soursmoker]

Thank you DHF, someone who knows how to READ before they SPEAK... anyone else who gave good advice thank you but DHF seems to be the only one who read EVERYTHING and ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS.

 

[DHF]

Word to that.


Hang some bare bulbs.
Spend money on Ballasts, Bulbs, & Air Conditioning. Simple base nutes.


It's the nature of the posts however that cause for some concern.

Don't think partnerships are your only option. They can often end in prison. Sometimes patience is the best play. Take your own dough.. and go about your own efforts or make a calculated decision on if you can 100% take responsibility for your own actions while possible having a partner/investor who might not.

Starting from the bottom and going 100% alone without anyone ever having any knowledge that one was even remotely involved in cultivation is PRICELESS.

Best of luck.


That aside.
You've got the money and space. My advice...keep it cheap, but pro.

Buy: (for sealed w/ co2)
ballasts
bulbs
cordsets
window or split ACs @ 4500btu per 1K of light
flat white paint or poly
good dehumidifier for night cycle
co2 generator (nature gas or propane depending on location situation.)
Fan/Filter combo for odor control (recirculating)
simple on/off co2 controller/sniffer (no fancy environmental stuff here)

Just the essentials for doing it proper and most easily dialed.




go water-only soil mix (see TonyGreen signature) or simple base nute in DTW coco. Plastic grow bags are cheap. Make poly "basins" to catch/direct run-off.

Don't waste investor funds on "mainstream" overpriced nutrient lines. Keep it really simple.

And that`s dope growin "101" from a skilled vert Vet with words to live by in a non-med state.......

Respect FF.....but....SS did open up a can of worms askin bout investor/partner setups that most definitely rarely work , and I see where the negativity comes from....but again.....

Nothin ventured , nothin gained , and as stated above it sounds like this "investor" isn`t concerned about return on investment so much as it seems to be just genuinely concerned about helpin SS grow and prosper so ALL can benefit from the upgrade......But I could be wrong........regardless......

All this neg rep bullshit makes me tired......I give 2 shits whether some kid behind a keyboard thinks I`m wrong about simple down to earth decisions that the original thread question was derived from , so best thing for this thread is to kill it and take shit to pm......

Waaaay too many know-it-all geniuses on public forums......Walk in someone else`s shoes before passing judgement on a situation YOU`RE not familiar with but still wanna shove shit your way down their throat disguised as your so-called way of "helping"......

No more from me.....Ya`ll chill and help folks......Karma`s a bitch , and follows yas around EVERYWHERE you go....Some get it.....most don`t.........

Peace....DHF...........

 

[soursmoker]

Lol people can hate on you as much as they want DHF but like you said they have never walked a day in your shoes so they have no right to judge you and your opinions...

You were breaking "records" before most of us were out of diapers... show some fucking for the man\

EDIT: I am taking your advice and taking it to PM's, go check your's...

 

[Jamorg13]

"they say that micro growing is much more challnging then full scale growing" Who ever said that is wrong.

" where I am looking at it short term. " Farming in general is not a short term investment.

$2000 per 1kw is a good figure IMO. That is around enough for everything including rent, deposit, electricity, and everything else grow related. If your real thrifty it could be done for less. Get some shitty chinese magnetic ballast's bulbs and sockets, lucas method, bare bulb. Do everything cheap at first. No fancy shit until have some runs in.

Also I haven't read any of the thread except your first post, so I am not sure if this has been discussed or is relevant, but partnerships and investments are a big no-no in growing mj, especially in a non-med state.

 

[rocketman420]

do what you want with a partner just be smart. if you want to maximize your yield and stay in soil build some grow boxes about 4x8 6 -8 in high out of wood or whatever and put 100 clones veg for 10 days under 2k you can get 4 lbs no problem. if you really want yield go flood and drain, start a small set up to learn on after a run or two and you got some money. i am about to give a table a try myself.

 

[rocketman420]

i say a table because i never have done vert and i have friends who get ridiculous yields on theirs. i know the vert guys swear by it and i see the point just haven't gotten there yet.

 

[FirstTracks]

Lots of great advice in this thread.
Lots of "I can't do this because..."

Kind of odd, Someone offers to kick a pile your money your way to grow, and you can't or won't even throw together a basic business plan to see if its viable. Seems like something to do before even thinking of accepting a loan.

People would have reacted better to this thread (though not responded and trolled as much) if you led with some type of plan. Even if you have no clue what equipment you need, you should at least know how much money you plan to be able to bring in each run, and how frequently the harvests should occur.

There aren't many places in the US that you can't drive 2 hours and find some type of seclusion to hide an outdoor grow in. a 150w HPS bulb is plenty big enough to veg 20 clones in beer cups to 6". 6" plants in beer cups are pretty to easy to transport. could even fit them all in a cooler for the drive. If you took cuts today, you could root them and veg them under 24 hrs light for a week and have clones out by July 15th. Do it right and don't be lazy about how and where you plant and you're looking at 10-20 ounces if it goes smooth. Small plants are easier to hide anyways and if you start them this late, they're gonna go almost immediately into flower.

That's what I'd do anyway. You have to clean out in 6 months, so get the clones for outdoor set, then pump out one more indoor run.

 

[soursmoker]

I still need to read more Vert threads... but I think If I start out with basic 600w donuts in 5 gal smart pots or bigger.... I should be fine... just have to find the right strain... then like eveyone said, experiment and try different things... but I don't plan on changing from soil... only thing I think I would do in place with be coco DTW

EDIT: FirstTracks you snuck in as I was typing this post... I appreciate the reponse... Let me be clear I was not trying to be an ass to everyone just the ones talking complete shit, trolling... anyone who gave constructive advice... thank you...

now... he did not offer me anything yet... this is why I posted this because I DO want a plan to go to him with... I am reading up a lot on VERT... organic soil... is as easy as remember to water... and R/O filter would deff fit into the budget...

Based on a very simple 600w donut flip/flop... after everything is running smoothly I should be pulling a pound or more from each 600 so a pound every month if I have them a 4.5 weeks apart in age on a 9 week strain?

First runs will be considerably less because we will be pheno hunting for the right strains for the setup...

Eventually the setups will turn into 1200w or 1800w stacks or even more 600w flip/flops for more strains monocropped...

outdoor suggestion is great... I might just have to try that because my 150w died today actually... so idk how the indoor will be going in the future...

I plan on getting a nice inline exhuast/carbon filter combo and a 400 or 600w light setup for personal in the future anyway... so I guess now is the best time to buy it... and test it out... taking suggestions for that as well.

seems like the general consensus on equipment is get a high quality brand and don't question if it was better then the other brand if it works...

Mostly looking for suggestions on quiet but powerful fans that match to high quality carbon filters... and ballasts that wont burn out right away or causue Interference and shit...

 

[FirstTracks]

no bueno with the 150 dying. Bulbs can be tricky to find, but sometimes available at hardware stores. Full setups are cheap online but seem to be expensive most local places except lighting supply places that sometimes have parts kits relatively cheap. Best of luck figuring that out. If you're ever looking for setups with easily replaceable parts, 400w hps bulbs seem to be easy to find at big hardware stores for $20-25.

It must seem odd, but now really isn't too late for small 1-2oz plants that will finish about the time of stuff that was started earlier. Possibly even sooner because of a lack of built up auxins that normally keeps them vegging longer as the hours decrease and a shock into shorter light cycles if you start them at 20-24 hrs of light inside. don't know if you have a mother/clones going though.

You could probably still pull a few ozs outside off a small mother plant in the right spot with the right food and light if your lighting situation is a no go.

Your idea of doing a few different systems, if you bump straight up to a big 4k+room, seems really good. If 1 system were to fail or have issues, you'd have 3 more on backup. Learning which one's you can yield the best with and pump out the best quality herb with doesn't hurt either.

As far as the budget. Calculate what you need then add a buffer. There'll always be little things you left off the list, but the simpler you keep it, the harder it is to do that too much wrong.

best of luck

 

[soursmoker]

I think I am going to say fuck the 150w and just spend the money now to upgrade my setup even if I can't run it full power...


I got some reccomendations on the 1000w Solis-Tek Ballast like this one with badass built in timer and remote and shit...

http://compare.ebay.com/like/2511882...Types&var=sbar


But PLH has 1000w Quantum for half the price... what does everyone else think?

http://www.plantlightinghydroponics....st-p-3385.html


this brings me to my next dilemma... I don't see myself burning the full 1000w ANYTIME SOON. Most my grows will be on shared 15 AMP circuits and I would not feel safe drawing more than half the constant reccomended load at any given time...

15x120=1800w*.8(Constant Load)= 1440... 600w would still stay under half of that constant load...

Is it worth it going for the 1000w and just keeping it dimmed down? Or would it just be smarter to go with the 600w dimmable so that I am not constantly replacing expensive ass 1000w bulbs? What is everyone's opinion?

Most importantly... how hot is the 1000w dimmable compared to the 600w dimmable... will the 1000w dimmed to 600w be equal to the 600w or cooler or hotter?

I only planned on upgrading to a 6" exhaust which is my next question...

Would I be better off going with a Can Fan 6HO matched to a Can33/Can50 OR A 6" vortex matched to a 6x16"/6x24" Phresh Filter...

how do you guys think the 6" will do at cooling the bigger lights than I am used to? I am sure I have a few more questions I am forgetting...

ALL OF THIS ABOVE IS TALKING ABOUT PERSONAL SETUP ^^ Not investor plan...

If investor comes through there will be dedicated circuits and most likely sub-panels installed before hand...


I really am liking your outdoor idea more and more... two biggest problems are lack of clones... and I don't know of any good areas to plant them but that can always be handled...

Yes thank DHF for the idea on multiple smaller rooms running different strains MONOCROPPED...

the more I think about it though I don't really want to go through with the investor plan...

 

[frankenstein2]

A six inch vortex will cool the light, within reason. as long as your pulling air thru it that is realativly cool.