Let's talk investors!

[soursmoker]

yeah being on the east coast helps with profit margins...

Not to be an asshole but some of you guys need to fucking READ!!!

I'll spell it out for you all once more... 3 simple things...

1) I CAN NOT GO ANY LARGER THEN I AM CURRENTLY GROWING AT CURRENT LOCATION.

2) I HAVE TO MOVE IN 1 YEAR

3) I HAVE TO SHUT DOWN ALL GROWS IN CURRENT LOCATION IN 6 MONTHS

Sorry for the caps for everyone who can read in between the lines!

Does everyone get why it is not simple enough to just get a 600 or 1k for myself? Trust me I will have one when for when I move out to a better place....


Also based on what everyone is saying, I almost don't want to do the partnership anymore... It does have its downsides.. idk we will see what happens when I talk to him.


I can't believe some of you guys have the nerve to talk shit when you can't even fucking read! How did you learn so much about growing? Some of you have documented your grows very well and I respect all of you... but some talk out of their ass with no proof of their "Expertise"

 

[d3cryption]

No need to get angry .... I'm pretty sure everyone just don't want u to do something you'll regret. ..... This thread not only helps u , but others who are thinking the same as u ... U also posted this on a public forum ..... Unless a mod close it people will continue to post, until they are tired ...


But I digress , everyone feel free to come to my thread if in the csg sub forum and give me advice...

Peace

 

[LouDog420]

Get a tent and throw a 1k in there... Sleep on the couch/floor... Blow it up for 6 months... You say you can't expand, but you can always expand unless you live in a closet

You give very vague constraints, and then ask broad questions. You want an estimate on equipment for 2-6k worth of lighting... Sounds like you need to take some of your own advice and go read.

Not trying to be an asshole, but ask yourself, if I had 10k to spare, would I want to give it to myself?? If you told this investor you were soursmoker on IC and let him view your shit, would he feel comfortable with your skills and putting you in charge of setting up and running 2-6k? Do it unbiasedly because we all see ourselves through tinted glass... Look at your grows, your skills, and ask yourself if you're ready...

Not to be debbie downer, but I think you're putting the cart way before the horse... I wouldn't have posted if it wasn't for your last post which came off a bit coarse. These people are giving good advice, and while it isn't what you want to hear, that doesn't mean it isn't what you need to hear...

Good vibes, if ya do decide to blow it up, I'm sure you'll have a group watching ready to help though, if the dude is that loaded

 

[soursmoker]

No need to get angry .... I'm pretty sure everyone just don't want u to do something you'll regret. ..... This thread not only helps u , but others who are thinking the same as u ... U also posted this on a public forum ..... Unless a mod close it people will continue to post, until they are tired ...


But I digress , everyone feel free to come to my thread if in the csg sub forum and give me advice...

Peace

my bad, I didn't mean to get angry but it gets annoying repeating the same things over and over again...

I appreciatte the advice, expecially the good advice, but when people can only read the first post and respond with some nonsense it gets annoying after the 2nd or 3rd time.

thanks for the advice though, it is more then welcome! sorry if I came across as rude...

Get a tent and throw a 1k in there... Sleep on the couch/floor... Blow it up for 6 months... You say you can't expand, but you can always expand unless you live in a closet

You give very vague constraints, and then ask broad questions. You want an estimate on equipment for 2-6k worth of lighting... Sounds like you need to take some of your own advice and go read.

Not trying to be an asshole, but ask yourself, if I had 10k to spare, would I want to give it to myself?? If you told this investor you were soursmoker on IC and let him view your shit, would he feel comfortable with your skills and putting you in charge of setting up and running 2-6k? Do it unbiasedly because we all see ourselves through tinted glass... Look at your grows, your skills, and ask yourself if you're ready...

Not to be debbie downer, but I think you're putting the cart way before the horse... I wouldn't have posted if it wasn't for your last post which came off a bit coarse. These people are giving good advice, and while it isn't what you want to hear, that doesn't mean it isn't what you need to hear...

Good vibes, if ya do decide to blow it up, I'm sure you'll have a group watching ready to help though, if the dude is that loaded

Ok once again I apoligize for coming off as rude...

Ok so first off, I would LOVE to just buy myself a 1k or a 600w and grow at my own spot for the next 6 months but it is not that easy... hence why the investor thing is even an option...

I am more then capable financially to actually fund the equipment but I do not have any of these things to follow through with it... just cash...

Nowhere to have the equipment shipped...
No Credit Card to place order; would have to buy bunch of Visa Pre-paids

Also, I grow in an attic currently... with a 150w HPS like I stated before... It hasn't even gotten that hot here yet and I am already having trouble keeping it cool in there... I can't imagine trying to cool anything bigger then the 150w up here! I already run lights on at night and there is a A/C within 10 feet of the cab...

Heat wouldn't be such an issue if it wasn't for the placement of the windows... Could prob send most the heat back out but there are so few windows in the room that it is impossible.

As far as the estimate... I just wanted to know what was a good amount that would leave me leeway to get everything but not too much so it would be hard to get even again...

As far as everything else goes, I feel you man and I feel bad for being an asshole but sometimes there are some details that haven't been mentioned and explain a whole lot... and people like to jump to conclusions before the know the whole thing... I guess once again that is my fault though for not posting everything in the OP... Oh well...

This thread went downhill real quick...

I just wanted advice from someone who has done an investor deal before... wanted to know how much they were willing to invest... the type of setup they ran... just wanted numbers from someone who tried it before me... Not you should or shouldn't do it...

I haven't even talked to the guy about growing yet... I just wanted some ideas to throw at him if he happened to be interested...

Like I said earlier in the thread, at this point I'd rather he just gave me a regular ass job...

 

[DJXXPLATINUM]

I AM OLD SS....NO PARTNERS EVER..SHIT JUS DOESN'T WORK...
YOU WANT A PARTNER.. TALK TO YOURSELF WHILE YOU WORK...LOL

NO REALLY WHEN YOU ARE THE ONE......EVERYONE I HAVE EVER TAKEN ON AS PARTNERS I HAD TO BABYSIT....NEVER AGAIN....YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME IF ITS JUST YOU....AND ALL, I MEAN ALLLLLLL OF MY SO CALLED FRIENDS STOLE FROM ME....

AS FOR THE MICRO COMMENT...YOUR STUFF LOOKS PRETTY DANK TO ME...I GUESS NOT ALL OF US ARE EXPERTS...TRUST ME THERE IS A TROLL OUT THERE TO LET YOU KNOW

IF YOU STILL WANNA PLAN SOMETHING START WITH A DETAILED BUSINESS PLAN...CK OUT A BUSINESS 101 BOOK AND GO FROM THERE...GOOD LUCK...DJ

 

[frankenstein2]

Have your investor buy 4x8 flood table. Have him buy 2 1k's, and all the fixins' to make the table work. Get three oscillating fans. Gonna need at least a 60 pint dehuey. Gonna need at least two 430 cfm inline fans. get 2 cases of 3" rockwool cubes with the holes.
Then find a strain that grows single cola's, and finishes in eight weeks or less Fill half of the table. Four weeks later fill the other half. After the first Harvey, you will only have to wait 4 weeks and you'll be picking again. Within 4 months you should be able to pay back all the borrowed money, and have extra to give him for his help. Then it will be all you, all the time. Trust me it works. I did what I just said and after 6 months it was all paid for( I had some extra expenses to cover.

 

[DJXXPLATINUM]

NICE IMPLEMENTATION OF A GOOD PLAN...FRANK..DJ

 

[soursmoker]

I know partners are bad, trust me I have read about it over and over again on this site but sometimes there are no options left... If I can't go bigger at home then where am I gonna go bigger? I know no one ever expects to get fucked over but I really don't see it happening... he wouldn't have much to steal from me... He would be the one taking most of the risks...

Frank thanks for the advice... I will prob skip on the table and rockwool because i like my dirt... Never messed with hydro much and there isn't much room for error so I'd rather go with something I have past experience with. Organic soil is so easy... Water it...

Roughly how much was it for that whole setup you spoke of frankenstein?

 

[pisspotgrower]

Very first thing u need to do is work out how much u want....no good saying how much cash do i need if u dont know how much u want to grow.

BEst bet save up ya bux do all by yaself.

If cash is the issue and thats y u need a partner go tell the bank ya want a car loan...worked for me lol.

Gota say tho, i started with a single 400 watt in a tent and my biggest grow to date is only 3600 watts ( 6 x 600s ) and ill tell ya mate if i switched over straight away there would have been hella problems, as ya got no idea on a veg times to fill the new space, ya dont know how the strain really branches out ( as it never has under 150watts ).

Then ya got new pot sizes n stuff to consider. How long before root bound ect ect, cause the pot u used to use may not be big enough anymore.

Sure yall succeed buddy just dont think its easy as buy gear..plant plants n sell

and doesnt matter if ya got nowere to ship to.....get in the car n go buy the gear ya self.

Im my experience if ya wana grow u will.....if u dont u will keep making excuses not 2.

 

[soursmoker]

I'll never be caught dead going to a hydro shop in my area... that is like pointing a sign on your back " HEY COPS! ARREST ME! I GROW DRUGS!"

Everything else i agree on... cash isn't the issue, I could afford a 2kw setup on my own but have nowhere to set it up!

I agree jumping from a 150w to a 2-6k would be a BIG change and things WOULD have more chance to go wrong...

thanks for the advice.

 

[lazy gardener]

If I were the investor I'd keep my money! people with money and good work ethics dont just like to hand over the cash. you have a lot of planning to do first before even thinking of bringing someone else in.. You said the guys knows a little something and is loaded? (i would love for people to look at me this way, wouldnt you? bet your investor did it on his own) well look down the road you are disposible if you let to much out. you gotta learn not to spill all the beans and keep an ace card!. the guy can polish off his knowledge and have you kicking rocks. and youll be stuck back at square one = with nothing. good luck fella but you seem like a hustler, not the hustler with a plan but the hustler thats a leech.

 

[soursmoker]

You make some great points but I can promise you I am not a leach...

Once again I know you are all responding based on the information I have given but like you said... gotta learn not to spill all the beans... Well I didn't. If I laid out every detail you guys might understand a little better but I can't.

I am not looking for a handout... this guy is just looking to help me... I am not looking for help... this is just an oppurtunity... I can either take it or not... I don't NEED it...

Don't assume guys...

 

[DJXXPLATINUM]

YOU WORK OUT THE HOUSE SITUATION....WHAT DOES YOUR SCHEDULE PERMIT...I HAD AN OUTDOOR WITH A PARTNER..THE ONLY TIME A PARTNER WORKED OUT....ITS A BUNCH OF WORK AND THERE ARE DAYS WHEN YOU JUS DON'T HAVE IT IN YA AND A PARTNER CAN PULL UP THE SLACK...IT WAS HIS LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE I PROVIDED IN FULL...SO PARTNERS CAN BE COOL...JUS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN...WE HAD SOME 10 FOOTERS...WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE,10 FOOTERS ARE PRETTY COOL....DJ

 

[roach]

I kind of did the same as you, borrowed the money from someone i trusted, got all the gear and 4 months later i had paid him back plus some extra, but then I had the spot to grow in already and can pay for it without the money I get from growing, so if I skip a harvest all it affects is my own smoke, never ever make it so you have to get a harvest in to make things go round, murphys law and all that

But you should also be aware that there is a shitload of work with a big grow, all the potting up, generel love and care needed to make top quality buds, and the trimming, sitting 6-8 hours a day trimming for a week, it just sucks, but if you are okay with it being a fulltime job then go for it, I can just say for me personaly it was too much work and I dont care enough about money to want to devote all my time to it, I just want good smoke for me and my friends, so I whent from 10 lamps to 2, and the only reason I got 2 is because it would take too long to grow out all the seeds I want under 1 lamp

But i do wish you the best of luck, just be sure you have thought it through first, and that includes the possibility of jailtime

 

[hush]

Man, this is a great thread, with great information!

Sour smoker, my advice is to grow out a qp with your 150 (use scrog, qp easy!), flip that at retail price into $1600, then that will be more than enough to setup a sealed, air conditioned tent in your attic with a 1000w HPS. I just bought a 4x4 tent, 1000w light, air cooled reflector, inline fan, air conditioner, and all other fixings for just over $700. Since I already had mother plants, no extra money was needed for genetics. I went with hempy buckets for cost. In 3 months or so, I should have at least a pound, and it required no partnerships with anyone.

FWIW.

 

[soursmoker]

YOU WORK OUT THE HOUSE SITUATION....WHAT DOES YOUR SCHEDULE PERMIT...I HAD AN OUTDOOR WITH A PARTNER..THE ONLY TIME A PARTNER WORKED OUT....ITS A BUNCH OF WORK AND THERE ARE DAYS WHEN YOU JUS DON'T HAVE IT IN YA AND A PARTNER CAN PULL UP THE SLACK...IT WAS HIS LAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE I PROVIDED IN FULL...SO PARTNERS CAN BE COOL...JUS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN...WE HAD SOME 10 FOOTERS...WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE,10 FOOTERS ARE PRETTY COOL....DJ

think it might be too late for outdoor unless I plant TODAY and I don't really have anything ready to go outside... plus my area SUCKS for outdoor. even more risky then indoor... almost not worth the reward... but great advice nonetheless... I was planning on doing outdoors this year even before I heard all this news bout house and everything but it just didn't work out...

I kind of did the same as you, borrowed the money from someone i trusted, got all the gear and 4 months later i had paid him back plus some extra, but then I had the spot to grow in already and can pay for it without the money I get from growing, so if I skip a harvest all it affects is my own smoke, never ever make it so you have to get a harvest in to make things go round, murphys law and all that

But you should also be aware that there is a shitload of work with a big grow, all the potting up, generel love and care needed to make top quality buds, and the trimming, sitting 6-8 hours a day trimming for a week, it just sucks, but if you are okay with it being a fulltime job then go for it, I can just say for me personaly it was too much work and I dont care enough about money to want to devote all my time to it, I just want good smoke for me and my friends, so I whent from 10 lamps to 2, and the only reason I got 2 is because it would take too long to grow out all the seeds I want under 1 lamp

But i do wish you the best of luck, just be sure you have thought it through first, and that includes the possibility of jailtime

very great advice thank you so much! so you got him to buy everything but you had the spot to grow? my situation IF it happens would basically be... he does EVERYTHING except grow the plants... house, bills, buying everything... idk what else lol but that is all a very BIG IF.

I would be willing to do all the work.. if I knew it could all work out... which is very possible... VERT has crazy potential to pull like 13 pounds from 3600w of lights. thats like 1.5 gpw. WHICH I KNOW IS NOT EASY TO PULL.

That means If go with somewhere around 3k for flower even if I fuck up and ONLY get .5 gpw I will still have 3 elbows for the first harvest which will come close to completely paying him off most likely and still have probably two more harvests for profit margins... and the last two harvests will be the best after finding right strain for setup and dialing it in...

And If I get lucky let's say .75gpw = 5 elbows.
Really lucky 1gpw = 6.5 elbows.

Ok enough of this. Getting ahead of myself once again...

Man, this is a great thread, with great information!

Sour smoker, my advice is to grow out a qp with your 150 (use scrog, qp easy!), flip that at retail price into $1600, then that will be more than enough to setup a sealed, air conditioned tent in your attic with a 1000w HPS. I just bought a 4x4 tent, 1000w light, air cooled reflector, inline fan, air conditioner, and all other fixings for just over $700. Since I already had mother plants, no extra money was needed for genetics. I went with hempy buckets for cost. In 3 months or so, I should have at least a pound, and it required no partnerships with anyone.

FWIW.

thanks man... not sure where you are but no one is paying $1600 for a QP near me...

you must have missed the part about me not being able to order anything... I have cash... more then enough to setup what I am talking about... i just can't order it...

sounds like you are on the right path tho... good for you... where did you get your equipment from?

 

[Treetroit City]

Okay for real advice here.

Have your exit strategy agreed upon between both parties before accepting any cash. Details such as how long you will work together, how much cash he will front, how much cash he will be paid back, who will do what work ect.

Above all have an end date with an option to continue if both parties are interested. But really, once you pay him back plus interest what do you need him for? And how is he going to feel now that he is no longer wanted as a partner in this exciting new venture.

"You would have nothing if it weren't for me!" comes to mind.

10K cash would be plenty for rent and equipment provided you can harvest and sell in a timely manner.

 

[trichster]

honestly I believe you need to learn more before you go big. I understand you cant go bigger now but once you move you should start back up with a 400 or 600. Then work your way up to 1k then go bigger when your ready and have more knowledge. You have no experience with anything bigger then 150hps and your grows now reflect on your knowledge. Read more learn more!!!

 

[soursmoker]

honestly I believe you need to learn more before you go big. I understand you cant go bigger now but once you move you should start back up with a 400 or 600. Then work your way up to 1k then go bigger when your ready and have more knowledge. You have no experience with anything bigger then 150hps and your grows now reflect on your knowledge. Read more learn more!!!

Yes the more I ponder on it, I think you guys are all right. going from a 150w to more then a 600 would most likely be kinda stressful... I could do it but things are bound to go wrong without prior experience on a big scale like that. sorry for being stubbron everyone but thank you for all the advice.. I am going to try and crop as much as I can from my 150w doing Scrog methods... and then like you said start back up a little bigger.

 

[trichster]

I know guys that have done similar to what you wanted to do, go from small grow to big scale grows and there still not hitting there marks and there buds are always crappy, been like 3 years now for them. Partnerships is just another person that knows your growing and who ever they tell to. More worrys with partners and half the money. As you progress through from 150<400<1k<4k<ect the knowledge will happen and you will have the background to fix any problems that can happen. Good luck Sour...