Trick plants into more THC

[Evocho]

Upon further interrogating the plants won't budge.. I tried squirrel pinching, donky punching, and gave each one a noogie with no response. What gives?

Here's some info on "Chitin" !



"Chitin is essentially a long chain carbohydrate compound, which gives it lots of binding sites along it's oligo-saccharide molecular ridge.
It has a pH of 2.5.
The use is insecticidal because it bonds to insect exo-skeletons so thoroughly that the insect "suffocates" & dies.
It can be deemed disease preventative, in the sense that it will occupy binding sites on the plant surface, so that pathogens can not take "hold".
The use of an adhering agent with chitosan is preferable to allow it to dry in place when sprayed on.
If you go to a Chinese grocery store & look for the extremely tiny shrimp you can not imagine how to eat, you've found a rich chitin source to experiment with. (Human consumption of this chitin frees the oligo-saccharide for good glyco-biology processes; think how healthy mushrooms are similarly rich in oligo-saccharides.)
It is non-toxic & essentially organic."

Seems promising!

I'm not looking for some huge secret of improving resin count, I just haven't heard it brought up on any forum..

Someone do a side by side! (Okay okay I probably should)

 

[Evocho]

Here's a thread with some experienced users of the jazz rose spray

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=232520

Gonna have to try it for sure

 

[supermanlives]

try yelling at your plants and bitch slapping em a bit.i have yet to try jazz spray . read the thread tho a while back. I haven't yet found anything . someone here was using a silica spray and claiming an thc increase I think. I am happy with the potency I got already.

 

[Hash Man]

Please link some scholastic articles. I didnt find any corroboration, in regard to increased trichome production.

No articles that I know of. Maybe someone else can post up some links about chitin and potency. His question had to do with "what his friend told him"; I have heard the same claims about chitin. I'm not sure if you noticed that I said I hadn't seen any increased potency. This is my first season using insect castings on a large scale. I originally started using them for increased protection from root born pathogens. So far I have noticed awesome results in vegetative growth. I have used the castings indoor with awesome results, but I can't give much credit to the castings with chitin for those results because I have been getting dank for years without it. Chitin is only a tool in one's arsenal, not an standalone product that ensures more potency IME..

 

[lordofthenugz]

Seems like if cannabis specifically reacted that way to insect pestilince then more people would be reporting positive results when they attack their grows instead of risking pretty much any means to rid of said pestilence.


Peace!

 

[Weezard]

Aw, c'mon LOTN,

Common sense ruins all the fun.

Let 'em short-cut through the quicksand.

We can always point and laugh, yah?

Jus' havin' some Wee fun.

And bottom line?
Knowing what does not work is good information.

Watching these geese get chased is a low impact lesson for thinking readers.

Aloha
Weeze

 

[Siever]

I think if it really worked, just pulling off some leafparts would work to. Just my opinion.

Siever

 

[canna woop!]

I think if it really worked, just pulling off some leafparts would work to. Just my opinion.

Siever

What are you talking about?

Like hash man says chitin is not a single solution, it is just one of many ingredients that makes a kick ass compost. Like eating crab or lobster and don't feel like sending the to the landfill? A mortar and pestle will make quick work of the shells and they make a KiCk ASs compost ingredient, especially if you are composting with worms! D not feed your plant uncomposted chitin/crab shells

Canna woop!

 

[Budbuddysmile]

No articles that I know of. Maybe someone else can post up some links about chitin and potency. His question had to do with "what his friend told him"; I have heard the same claims about chitin. I'm not sure if you noticed that I said I hadn't seen any increased potency. This is my first season using insect castings on a large scale. I originally started using them for increased protection from root born pathogens. So far I have noticed awesome results in vegetative growth. I have used the castings indoor with awesome results, but I can't give much credit to the castings with chitin for those results because I have been getting dank for years without it. Chitin is only a tool in one's arsenal, not an standalone product that ensures more potency IME..

Chitosan is no snake oil and you said it best. It can be used as a tool. Especially with certain strains, I have noticed it reacts better than others. Here is the Wikipedia link.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitosan... It explains well. The US forest department applies it to pine trees which helps them produce more sap and resin, which helps fend off pine beetle infestations. Makes sense too me. Oil and Resins are also a plants defense. Chitosan is a hormone found on the legs of insects, so when you apply it to your plant, it simulates a pest attack. Your plant will defend itself with oils and resins.

Another resin and growth promoter is salicylic acid. (basically Aspirin). It can work as a healthy stimulant for your plant. Whereas chitosan simulates a pest attack and is more of an external stimulation, Salicylic Acid will work internally triggering a gene that is otherwise dormant in the plant. It triggers the SAR response (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_acquired_resistance) I will look for better resources than Wiki, but I dont have time right now, just got excited to throw in my 2 cents. I dont know a lot of people that are familiar with Chitan or Salisylic Acid and I have found it to work well.

 

[Motown]

Insect Frass in your tea is all you need!

 

[vertigo0007]

Cannabis isnt a pine tree. Show us proof that it creates more resin in cannabis. Oh, thats right, you cant.

 

[sallyforthDeleted member 75382]

Nettle Tea. Look up how to make it. Real easy. Adds vanilla to the flavour too.

Flower in cooler temps like 18C at the canopy, will flower slower, add another 3 weeks, shorter plants too.

 

[Siever]

Canna woop,

I meant that if insects eating the leaves of a plant results in an increase in potency, it MIGHT be possible to achieve similar results.
I knew already it is used for compost because Advanced Nutriënts uses it as an ingrediënt
for one or more of it's product(s). B.T.W. insects are a good source for it to.

kind regards

 

[Siever]

forgot to end the first sentence:
It MIGHT be possible to achieve similar results by removing some leaf parts.

 

[Benjamin Check]

Does it cure hysteria, rashes, alcoholism, whiten teeth, and promote digestion as well?

 

[Fresh Start]

Everything has its place

Everything has its place

Hope you mean just the couple days before harvest. I think letting your plants dry out ever is a bad idea.

I've experienced great results when I dried out my lavender strains at the end of my harvest. The purple hues would turn darker and I also observed an increase in trich production.

For clarification I was watering with plain water and nothing else. My medium was royal gold brand coco blend with perlite (good drainage) and pot size 25 gallons. Then I would not water for the last 4-5 days before harvest until the plants were seriously wilted. Since there were no left over salts in the medium before I dried it out, the chance of burning the plant from increased fertilizer concentration was not there- she just wilted and turned more purple and frosty.

It depends on what you want from your plants- its an art. There is no wrong way

 

[midwestHIGHS]

I used to trick my plants into doing all sorts of crazy things but as time went on I realized in essence I was only making them stupider.
I am now focusing all of my energy on intimidation tactics.

lmao!

 

[Hash Man]

Cannabis isnt a pine tree. Show us proof that it creates more resin in cannabis. Oh, thats right, you cant.

While there is not much literature out there, if any, on the effects ofchitin on thc production, there is a pretty good amount of info on chitin and other crops.

Here is a paper I thought was interesting. I think we can all agree that a healthy plant is generally going to produce more thc than an unhealthy plant. This shows research on chitin in relation to plant health and disease resistance. The studies show incresed health and disease resistance from control groups in plants and seeds.

http://www.mdpi.com/1660-3397/8/4/968/pdf

Hopefully someone can do a side by side grow with chitin and without for more quantitative information, but for now we are left with subjective info from people with experience using stuff with chitin in it.

I hear you, and I agree it would be awesome to see some cannabis related studies on chitin and thc, but at this stage in the game the studies have yet to be done, most likely due to the the fact that's its still federally illegal.

I will say there is a reason people have been using crab and shrimp products and herbavorous insect castings for so long. Many claim increased potency. Claims such as these lead to proper research.

I will post up some pics of some indoor blue dream of some plants that I top dressed with insect castings vs some that I did not top dress. Hash Man

 

[gaiusmarius]

interesting, kinda makes sense that you don't see any benefits if you really have pests as they end up doing too much physical damage for any positive effects to be visible. but maybe by just making the plant think it's under attack you can get some of the benefits from the reaction of the plant?

 

[Hash Man]

interesting, kinda makes sense that you don't see any benefits if you really have pests as they end up doing too much physical damage for any positive effects to be visible. but maybe by just making the plant think it's under attack you can get some of the benefits from the reaction of the plant?

I know it's Wikipedia but there are some good references and good info here. I'm on my iPhone so it's going to take awhile to go through all the research but I have some spare time here and there.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitosan

Chitosan increases photosynthesis, promotes and enhances plant growth, stimulates nutrient uptake, increases germination and sprouting, and boosts plant vigor. When used as seed treatment or seed coating on cotton, corn, seed potatoes, soybeans, sugar beets, tomatoes, wheat and many other seeds, it elicits an innate immunity response in developing roots which destroys parasitic cyst nematodes without harming beneficial nematodes and organisms.[9][10]
Agricultural applications of chitosan can reduce environmental stress due to drought and soil deficiencies, strengthen seed vitality, improve stand quality, increase yields, and reduce fruit decay of vegetables, fruits and citrus crops (see photo right).[11] Horticultural application of chitosan increases blooms and extends the life of cut flowers and Christmas trees.[12

NASA results revealed chitosan induces increased growth (biomass) and pathogen resistance due to elevated levels of beta 1-3 glucanase enzymes within plant cells. NASA confirmed chitosan elicits the same effect in plants on earth.[19]

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