U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

[SpasticGramps]

The tide is slowly turning here though. I feel that's only because the empire is starting to collapse onto itself and as it collapses the rotten edifice becomes so exposed that even the strongest cognitive dissonance of the collective is eroded and we become cognizant of our true reality.

 

[skullznroses]

Its all limited to how much the courts can process in some places that seems about it really, plus people all rule by majority of default.

 

[DreamsofTesla]

The tide is slowly turning here though. I feel that's only because the empire is starting to collapse onto itself and as it collapses the rotten edifice becomes so exposed that even the strongest cognitive dissonance of the collective is eroded and we become cognizant of our true reality.

Well said. I also see the tide turning.

 

[bentom187]

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/government-says-secret-court-opinion-law-underlying-prism-program-needs-stay

Government Says Secret Court Opinion on Law Underlying PRISM Program Needs to Stay Secret

In a rare public filing in the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), the Justice Department today urged continued secrecy for a 2011 FISC opinion that found the National Security Agency's surveillance under the FISA Amendments Act to be unconstitutional. Significantly, the surveillance at issue was carried out under the same controversial legal authority that underlies the NSA’s recently-revealed PRISM program.

Court finds NSA surveillance unconstitutional. Administration’s response: keep the ruling secret and carry on

The government’s argument is guaranteed to make heads spin. DOJ earlier argued that it lacks discretion to release the FISC opinion without the FISC’s consent, but DOJ now argues that if the FISC were to agree with EFF, “the consequence would be that the Government could release the opinion or any portion of it in its discretion.” But FISC material is classified solely because the Executive Branch demands that it be, so release of the opinion has always been a matter of Executive discretion.

Main Core: A List Of Millions Of Americans That Will Be Subject To Detention During Martial Law

Are you on the list? Are you one of the millions of Americans that have been designated a threat to national security by the U.S. government? Will you be subject to detention when martial law is imposed during a major national emergency? As you will see below, there is actually a list that contains the names of at least 8 million Americans known as Main Core that the U.S. intelligence community has been compiling since the 1980s

 

[Bowb Aandweeve]

Well said. I also see the tide turning.

I thought I saw it turning in the 70's, then it turned on it's IGadgets instead.

You want to see the problem, look at all the new stuff everyone has to have. We've been lied to by corporations that tell us that owning the NEWEST BIG THING is the most important thing in the world and it's worth sacrificing all your time, energy and money to have. It's worth sacrificing all your time and effort for a new generation to discover the wonders of "Gomer Pyle" on their brand new, 1/2" larger than the one they got rid of because it's too small tablet.

Once communications went wireless, everybody lost their privacy. If people don't realize that, they're hopelessly outdated and naïve. Anything posted on the internet isn't private, not e-mails, not chats, nothing. Everything is backed up and stored and is available for inspection. Regardless of any laws, rules or regulations the information is available and can be looked at. Doesn't matter, terrorists or not, the right to privacy was freely given up by everyone in the name of the ability to take pictures of your food and post that you "Like" things on meaningless websites. Screw the terrorists, they're just straw men, the world just pulled down it's pants and bent over for Big Brother and didn't blink an eye. Welcome to The New World Order.

 

[OrganicBuds]

you know i was thinking about this in the last days. from what we know the protests that are happening all over Turkey now started with 30 people being tear gassed and chases out of a park. that was enough to get 300 people out the next day, they also got teargassed and chased off, upon which 3000 of them gathered the next day as well as many protests in many other towns. now think about it, they are spitting mad at the way they are being treated by the pigs. this is enough reason for them. there are now hundreds of thousands protesting just in Istanbul alone. how far have we been domesticated in the west that we hardly even dare to protest anything anymore, no matter how important, let alone protesting in solidarity with other protesters being abused. makes you wonder if we are being tranquilized or something in the west. i mean just look at the amount of bs thats going on and on the whole, we just allow it and watch as the totalitarian boot stomps and tear gasses the ever decreasing few who still do dare to protest.

It's because we're civilized..............

Don't worry, when the dollar collapses there will be riots in the USA. Hungry people tend to riot.

What gets me the most is Obama is out there saying Bush started these wire taps......WTF does it matter? Our founders warned us about the two party system, and this is why. 60% or more will defend their parties decisions no matter what, sheeple.

 

[DreamsofTesla]

I thought I saw it turning in the 70's, then it turned on it's IGadgets instead.

That was then, this is now. This wave builds on the momentum of the last. Consumerism was already a problem in the 70s. You might want to take a fresh look at all of the changes happening in the world, and the growing discontent with the stupid way our world has been run. Check out the Zeitgeist Movement, Anonymous, Occupy Wall Street, and many other ways that people are looking for new solutions. The center cannot hold.

 

[bentom187]

Sibel Edmonds: America: A Deteriorating Nation of Denial & Apathy

Most importantly, I found the real enemy. I discovered the mega beast. I unearthed the main evil paving the way for all the secondary evils and their deeds. I found the one common answer to the most common question asked of me: who/what is the real enemy we are facing today that we must fight.

Unfortunately that answer is not what the inquirers in the alternative media want to receive and air.

Sadly, the real answer is not what the bewildered and irate activists are willing to hear or acknowledge.

It is much easier to stare at the beasts in the forms of palaces and presidential mansions, carved majestic marble-granite courts, congresses or parliaments, media conglomerates …

Beast-making is not that difficult. Channeling rage and energy towards the beastly abysses outside is a common practice.

On the other hand, it is hard and painful to turn the eyes inwards and look at one’s self. It is not a common practice- that’s for sure. It is not what we want or like to hear, acknowledge or tackle.

I find myself standing alone when I now answer the questions directed at me following the endless atrocities and scandals. I am no longer the provider of the popular answer. My answer is one of the most unpopular, if not the most, in the eyes and ears of the public. I accept the consequences. I may never be sought as an opinion-provider after the never-ending breaking news on ever-expanding and continuing scandals. And that’s okay. Because I know there will be no hope of any meaningful action or changes so long as we stick with our national pride.

The enemy has been us; we the people. We the majority – in denial. Our national apathy. Our large majority’s denial, indifference; apathy. Apathy is a must ingredient for any police state, authoritarian regime, dictatorship, for abuses of power, for corruption, national atrocities, genocide … Some ingredients may be decreased, increased or substituted, but one key ingredient remains constant: Public Apathy.

Like a cat chasing its tail, like Don Quixote chasing the many windmills, we can target and point fingers at kings, presidents, statesmen, judges and media puppetries. In the end we’ll end up with our own tail, we’ll arrive at the windmill of our own. We will end up with us the people. And that is the ultimate enemy we must take on and out: Our very own denial and apathy.

 

[opiumo]

Sibel Edmonds: America: A Deteriorating Nation of Denial & Apathy

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Most importantly, I found the real enemy. I discovered the mega beast. I unearthed the main evil paving the way for all the secondary evils and their deeds. I found the one common answer to the most common question asked of me: who/what is the real enemy we are facing today that we must fight.

Unfortunately that answer is not what the inquirers in the alternative media want to receive and air.

Sadly, the real answer is not what the bewildered and irate activists are willing to hear or acknowledge.

It is much easier to stare at the beasts in the forms of palaces and presidential mansions, carved majestic marble-granite courts, congresses or parliaments, media conglomerates …

Beast-making is not that difficult. Channeling rage and energy towards the beastly abysses outside is a common practice.

On the other hand, it is hard and painful to turn the eyes inwards and look at one’s self. It is not a common practice- that’s for sure. It is not what we want or like to hear, acknowledge or tackle.

I find myself standing alone when I now answer the questions directed at me following the endless atrocities and scandals. I am no longer the provider of the popular answer. My answer is one of the most unpopular, if not the most, in the eyes and ears of the public. I accept the consequences. I may never be sought as an opinion-provider after the never-ending breaking news on ever-expanding and continuing scandals. And that’s okay. Because I know there will be no hope of any meaningful action or changes so long as we stick with our national pride.

The enemy has been us; we the people. We the majority – in denial. Our national apathy. Our large majority’s denial, indifference; apathy. Apathy is a must ingredient for any police state, authoritarian regime, dictatorship, for abuses of power, for corruption, national atrocities, genocide … Some ingredients may be decreased, increased or substituted, but one key ingredient remains constant: Public Apathy.

Like a cat chasing its tail, like Don Quixote chasing the many windmills, we can target and point fingers at kings, presidents, statesmen, judges and media puppetries. In the end we’ll end up with our own tail, we’ll arrive at the windmill of our own. We will end up with us the people. And that is the ultimate enemy we must take on and out: Our very own denial and apathy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik1AK56FtVc

 

[macdiesel]

The people calling Snowden a traitor etc have the argument that it is only the phone records being pulled and ran through supercomputers using algorithms and what not.
Most then go into saying that calls aren't actually being tapped...........then I watched the Guardian/Snowden interview.

quote from that interview-
"Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector. Anywhere," Snowden said in a video on the Guardian's website. "I, sitting at my desk, had the authority to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had a personal email."

I'd like to hear more about this, even though I'm sure they are stifling this as best they can.

One more interesting thing is that if this is no surprise to anyone.....(because it's outlined in The Patriot Act) then why the concern that Snowden confirms it? He really hasn't compromised anything. I think this could get very interesting before it's all said and done.

 

[HempKat]

It's because we're civilized..............

Don't worry, when the dollar collapses there will be riots in the USA. Hungry people tend to riot.

What gets me the most is Obama is out there saying Bush started these wire taps......WTF does it matter? Our founders warned us about the two party system, and this is why. 60% or more will defend their parties decisions no matter what, sheeple.

I really don't see what's so hard to get, what else would you expect any Democrat to say? Especially in light of the fact that the Republican's are trying their best to say it's all Obama's idea. This all goes back to that Red and Blue two step SpasticGramps was talking about most of the country being distracted by.

The bottomline is that the republicans put it in place and started it and then the democrats prolonged it and expanded it. It probably played out much the same way when they took what was supposed to be a temporary income tax to fund the civil war and made it into a permanent income tax that funds whatever they feel like spending it on.

 

[HempKat]

One more interesting thing is that if this is no surprise to anyone.....(because it's outlined in The Patriot Act) then why the concern that Snowden confirms it? He really hasn't compromised anything. I think this could get very interesting before it's all said and done.

The surprise is that it's far broader then anyone ever imagined, that's what Snowden is bringing to light. Most people likely thought they would never have to worry because they weren't doing anything remotely related to terrorism and unless they had a middle eastern name they had nothing to worry about because nobody was looking at what they are doing.

 

[DreamsofTesla]

nsa.gov appears to have been hacked, page will not load.

hehehehehe

 

[BudToaster]

guardian.co.uk does not come up for me.

 

[redbudduckfoot]

Couple great posts there Gramps.

This shit is too far gone to try and put the genie back in the bottle. Sad but true. Only thing we can do really is be careful, use TOR/Onion Browser and protect ourselves as much as possible. As stated in previous posts, the American public, mainly the 18-25 demographic depends on their FB, smartphones, Skype, XBox, etc. way too much to start rioting. This generation coming up, is far lazier than the previous, much more dependent on their tech.

More and more, both parents have to work, and in lower class families, that means cable tv and YouTube are raising their children, breeding complacency and sheepleness. They care more about Kanye and Kim than what's going on in Turkey, Syria and other Revolting populace all over the Middle East. They don't understand their problems are the same as ours.

On another note, not really related, but kinda just shows u how fucked shit is. A pal of mine got drunk one night and like an idiot, stole a 5$ box of cookies. Lol, right. The fucking DA WANTED TO PUT HIM IN JAIL FOR 14 FREAKING DAYS. really? So let's spend 120$ a day to incarcerate this guy, for a total of about 1700$, instead of just giving him a fine. Obviously he fought it, and 2 court dates later, he received 20$ restitution and a 60$ fine. Just ridiculous.

Anyways, fuckit.

Rbdf

 

[VenturaHwy]

I am much more concerned with the IRS going after the political opponents of Obama. That is way beyond just collecting data on US citizens...

And Homeland Security has put returning vets on their possible terrorist list...

 

[Alone]

Edward Snowden is a National Hero!

 

[Skinny Leaf]

Millions of citizens standing on the steps of congress with pitchforks and torches will take care of this shit.

Are ya'll scared? I'll even be the first one to stand in front of the tank. 11 pages of talking. What ya'll have a different solution? It ain't working.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Millions of citizens standing on the steps of congress with pitchforks and torches will take care of this shit.

Are ya'll scared? I'll even be the first one to stand in front of the tank. 11 pages of talking. What ya'll have a different solution? It ain't working.

Your Million Leaf March on congress isn't gaining much ground bro.

 

[Tudo]

Ron Paul warned about this in 1984
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2ku8a3DvFA&feature=youtu.be


But we libertarians are told we are wearing our tin foil hats and we get called names. Well, you republicrats can go fk yourselves too.


Here's another tinfoil hat prediction, you know the online backup services like carbonite or the credit protection services? Yup, no doubt about it.


Lastly, So what about all this? What are you going to do about it? Twirl a sign somewhere? Seriously what are you going to DO about it? Write to your congressman LOL ? What? Revolution? No you're not. Wil anyone Do anything even remotely similar to what we did in the late 60's and early 70's when real protests were going on?
The answer is nothing. A whole generation who "protests" by typing on message boards and volunteering for the military.No balls, no brains and definitely no integrity. LOL
You don't get what you want, you get what you deserve.

NONE of this comes to any surprise to anyone who has been following libertarian views or austrian economics. Try reading the Freeman sometime from Foundation for Economic Education and learn how all of this is connected and if you are appalled by this now, wait, they're just laying the groundwork to fuck us all real good.

There's only one possible way to change this and that's not going to happen.