Broad Mites?

[bubbler720]

hey all, i'm starting to see some positive new growth 1 week after 1st forbid treatment. attempted heat treatment -- my area won't hit 120 even shutting down hvac, temps slowly crept to 97, hour later 98, etc.

thanks to storm and all else who contribute to this post. will continue update

 

[LEDNewbie]

hey all, i'm starting to see some positive new growth 1 week after 1st forbid treatment. attempted heat treatment -- my area won't hit 120 even shutting down hvac, temps slowly crept to 97, hour later 98, etc.

thanks to storm and all else who contribute to this post. will continue update

Been stated a 1000 times. Space heaters need to be added to get room to 120.

 

[Some old dude]

Forbid /Judo works

Forbid /Judo works

hey all, i'm starting to see some positive new growth 1 week after 1st forbid treatment. attempted heat treatment -- my area won't hit 120 even shutting down hvac, temps slowly crept to 97, hour later 98, etc.

thanks to storm and all else who contribute to this post. will continue update

Have been using it for years. Now trying to get away from poisoning people. I have about four weeks left in flower been using predators and heat. If things keep looking good will post some pictures in a couple weeks.Although Judo/forbid is the least poison properties is my opinion but "Avid" is certified neurotoxin.The calif AG considers Judo to be non-carcinogenic and almost non-nuerotoxic (Low Mammalian toxicity). But still has properties that make it non-medical grade and still very bad. And I understand the reasons people are using these poisons and do have some sympathy.And I would like to add the toxin in your plant won't start to dissipate for at least a few weeks you will notice better vigor then.Maybe some had a different result but the years I been using it it really should not show clear improvement for a good while .Good luck.

 

[bubbler720]

thanks all, i've got the space heaters to make the 120. I haven't and won't use pesticides in flower, I agree it's bad news, irresponsible and brutally dangerous . I'm applying the heavy artillery to the mothers, veg, and new clippings only.

 

[Some old dude]

Whats worked for me

Whats worked for me

thanks all, i've got the space heaters to make the 120. I haven't and won't use pesticides in flower, I agree it's bad news, irresponsible and brutally dangerous . I'm applying the heavy artillery to the mothers, veg, and new clippings only.

I have read people say to use as much as 3 ml per gal of forbid. it's been my experience this is way over kill. The Oberon version of Judo/Forbid for commercial fruit and veg crops is 1/2 concentration of Judo/Forbid and that rate of concentration is appox a little less than 1 ml per gallon. I would suggest only using Forbid in my opinion and not worrying about all these concoctions what has worked excellent for me is to use forbid only it is even promoted by bayer as being something the hugs don't build resistance to (one of the selling points they use) anyway, I would spray one time and use the coveralls and respirator. Then about a week or ten days later spray again (and you don't have to cover both sides of leaves or completely soak the plant (but good coverage).This has worked very well for me in the past I am now transitioning to poison free and it seems to be working so far. Remember even if you continue to use the poisons the plants will always have the toxin in them it's just some strains handle the toxin better than others. Some you can keep as mothers some you can't. Also Forbid has a harsh reaction to some strains especially if you overdose.All the best.

 

[Terpene]

Hey all.. let's not get down on Storm too much. I can see where hes coming from, he's found a solution for the elimination of Broad Mites and you jump down his throat - despite his efforts to help you in your time of need. I can see where he would get angry. But I'm not here to protect Storm. I'm jumping in because I want to make sure that everyone understands the "more is better" approach is VERY incorrect and probably dangerous.

Bayer Forbid 4F Label (Spiromesifen: 45.2% bottle)

Page 5 - Maximum Sprayable Dose
4oz (120mL) per 100 gallons MAX application rate
6mL per 5 gallons MAX application rate
1.2 mL per 1 gallon MAX application rate

20 drops (ish) per mL
20 x 1.2 = 24 drops per gallon MAX

3.78 liters per gallon
24/3.78 = 6.35 (6) drops per liter MAX[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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3mL per gallon is 2.5x the maximum application rate!

Environmental Fate
The longest half life I can find on Forbid is 86.6 days in neutral water. To be fair, UV, light and wind will degrade Forbid at a rapid rate, but keep in mind there is a possibility that Forbid will semi-emulsify itself in the oils present in cannabis. In other words, it could remain as long as 86 days after you've applied it to your plants. Flowering application of Forbid is therefore TOTALLY out and veg applications should be applied no later than 2 weeks BEFORE a change in photoperiod - especially with fast flowering indicas.

By the by, if you're wondering about using Avid, you should check this link where I broke Avid application down.

It is VERY important to look up label application rates as well as environmental fates of the active ingredient in your pesticides so you know what the maximum recorded half life is. By knowing how fast the pesticide you're using degrades, you'll have a better understanding of the breakdown of the product so you don't end up inhaling aggressive pesticides. Remember, this is medicine after all.

 

[RetroGrow]

Hey all.. let's not get down on Storm too much. I can see where hes coming from, he's found a solution for the elimination of Broad Mites and you dump on him despite his efforts to help you in your time of need. I can see where he would get angry.

I'm not here to protect Storm. I'm jumping in because I want to make sure that everyone understands the "more is better" approach is VERY incorrect and probably dangerous.

Bayer Forbid 4F Label (Spiromesifen: 45.2% bottle)

Page 5 - Maximum Sprayable Dose
4oz (120mL) per 100 gallons MAX application rate
6mL per 5 gallons MAX application rate
1.2 mL per 1 gallon MAX application rate

3mL per gallon is 2.5x the maximum application rate!

Environmental Fate
The longest half life I can find on Forbid is 86.6 days in neutral water. To be fair, UV, light and wind will degrade Forbid at a rapid rate, but keep in mind there is a possibility that Forbid will semi-emulsify itself in the oils present in cannabis. In other words, it could remain as long as 86 days after you've applied it to your plants. Flowering application of Forbid is therefore TOTALLY out.

It's not as though he's "found" a solution. Anyone can "find" the same solution by Googling "broad mites" and up pop the miticides used against them. The problem is, HE has been dumping on people that come up with alternative solutions, as if "his" way is the only way, and "we" are challenging his "authority". He acts like a 12 year old. And as you accurately pointed out, he is recommending over dosage. In other words, he doesn't mind poisoning his peeps as long as his product sells. I wouldn't want to smoke any of his herb.
Thanks for clarifying the dosage issue.
And of course, can't be used in flower, so alternatives will be necessary in flower for people who are health conscious.

 

[Tardigrade]

Wow, lotsa judges, i juust drowned my girls in Avid and two weeks later i just torn off the bad leafs and it looked like they never had a bad day in their life. Than I drowned em again just to be sure but they were just veggin, don't hate man.

 

[Tardigrade]

Damn, pot whollop, you talk like a real bug guy or some thing, you make me sound like a tard.

 

[ballplayer 2]

Terpene I really appreciate the drops/liter breakdown you have provided. I have a very small garden and would never need a gallon to cover it.

I will be using poisons in veg to gain control of the situation. However, will be using beneficial mites to maintain control during flower.

Can anyone shed some light about how long I should wait after my last pesticide application to unleash the beneficial mites? I know it depends on which miticide, but say for Avid or Forbid?

 

[eric2028]

wait anywhere from 3-5 weeks.

 

[Some old dude]

Swirskii Mites

Swirskii Mites

Terpene I really appreciate the drops/liter breakdown you have provided. I have a very small garden and would never need a gallon to cover it.

I will be using poisons in veg to gain control of the situation. However, will be using beneficial mites to maintain control during flower.

Can anyone shed some light about how long I should wait after my last pesticide application to unleash the beneficial mites? I know it depends on which miticide, but say for Avid or Forbid?

I am still in the "trials" part of the experiment to see If I can be successful using a variety of Heat, swirskii Mites, and will be testing a fungus that the company where I get the swirskii mites wants me to test along with the other treatments. I am showing no evidense of broad mite feeding damage on mothers or in flower room at this time. The flower roon has about another four weeks to be a sucessful grow .And This does not mean I am broad mite free as I don't believe anyone who gets them will ever be.As they are all over the yard inside and out of all outbuildings and homes where I live .In the whole neighborhood and town actually. But if some plants show good resistance to the toxin as I have seen with my own eye's there is hope.Just because your plants don't appear to have the tell tale blistering ,cupped ,burned pistols, poor vigor, does not meant that you are BM free by a long stretch.So anyway, your asking about the predators and what to do. I can only tell you my program and what I have learned. I am using heat to sterilize enviroment and plants in -between swirskii depoyments. on the mothers Heat to 120 for an hour and a half then when it cools down time it so your package of swirskii's arrive hopefully on that day or it's ok if it's another day I would say to release the "sachets' I am using the slow release sachets as I believe they stand a better chance of defeating the enemy over all. (If you use a tube of swirskii's and releasing them all at once will knock them back but the die off due to lack of food and what they need will be to great, and there are more swirskii eggs to hatch in those sachets). So, heat ,swirskii's wait a month heat, swirskii's on and on and I will be adding a fungus that is supposed to only affect the bad mites that feed on the plant itself passing it onto the other bad mites and there eggs (if any).. I waited a month after using Judo to release the swirskii;s and they seemed to be ok the company bayer says Judo/forbid is only slightly toxic to predators especially if you wait a little while and not release close to the time of last spray. One last thing there is a huge problem using swirskii's...smallest sachet order I could find was for one hundred sachets (even at two sachets per plant it's way more than I need so it's rather expensive.) I put the rest in my yard hoping they will colonize someday and take over...I know this probably won't happen but I can hope.I hope this may help you in some way. All the best.

 

[eric2028]

I am still in the "trials" part of the experiment to see If I can be successful using a variety of Heat, swirskii Mites, and will be testing a fungus that the company where I get the swirskii mites wants me to test along with the other treatments. I am showing no evidense of broad mite feeding damage on mothers or in flower room at this time. The flower roon has about another four weeks to be a sucessful grow .And This does not mean I am broad mite free as I don't believe anyone who gets them will ever be.As they are all over the yard inside and out of all outbuildings and homes where I live .In the whole neighborhood and town actually. But if some plants show good resistance to the toxin as I have seen with my own eye's there is hope.Just because your plants don't appear to have the tell tale blistering ,cupped ,burned pistols, poor vigor, does not meant that you are BM free by a long stretch.So anyway, your asking about the predators and what to do. I can only tell you my program and what I have learned. I am using heat to sterilize enviroment and plants in -between swirskii depoyments. on the mothers Heat to 120 for an hour and a half then when it cools down time it so your package of swirskii's arrive hopefully on that day or it's ok if it's another day I would say to release the "sachets' I am using the slow release sachets as I believe they stand a better chance of defeating the enemy over all. (If you use a tube of swirskii's and releasing them all at once will knock them back but the die off due to lack of food and what they need will be to great, and there are more swirskii eggs to hatch in those sachets). So, heat ,swirskii's wait a month heat, swirskii's on and on and I will be adding a fungus that is supposed to only affect the bad mites that feed on the plant itself passing it onto the other bad mites and there eggs (if any).. I waited a month after using Judo to release the swirskii;s and they seemed to be ok the company bayer says Judo/forbid is only slightly toxic to predators especially if you wait a little while and not release close to the time of last spray. One last thing there is a huge problem using swirskii's...smallest sachet order I could find was for one hundred sachets (even at two sachets per plant it's way more than I need so it's rather expensive.) I put the rest in my yard hoping they will colonize someday and take over...I know this probably won't happen but I can hope.I hope this may help you in some way. All the best.

sounds like were in the same boat. I just ordered my swirskis from Oregon. waiting 3-5 after spraying with avid to apply them per sellers instructions. im wanting to be done with avid and forbid! keep us posted on the mycotrol o too! good luck

 

[sunset limited]

Wow, lotsa judges, i juust drowned my girls in Avid and two weeks later i just torn off the bad leafs and it looked like they never had a bad day in their life. Than I drowned em again just to be sure but they were just veggin, don't hate man.

you have no business handling chemical pesticides. multiple consecutive applications of chemicals that use the same mode of action (or in this case, the exact same chemical) is how pest resistance happens. quit making shit bad for the rest of us because you can't be bothered to learn how to rotate.

Hey all.. let's not get down on Storm too much. I can see where hes coming from, he's found a solution for the elimination of Broad Mites and you jump down his throat - despite his efforts to help you in your time of need. I can see where he would get angry. But I'm not here to protect Storm. I'm jumping in because I want to make sure that everyone understands the "more is better" approach is VERY incorrect and probably dangerous.

i haven't got the time to go back and read what storm was recommending or to get involved in any internet warrioring, but i can tell you unequivocally that avid-forbid-avid is the standard accepted protocol in commercial floriculture.

observe:
http://www.syngentaflowers.com/coun...smithSeeds_PDF/WhitePapers/Mite Rotations.pdf

 

[moodster]

i haven't got the time to go back and read what storm was recommending or to get involved in any internet warrioring, but i can tell you unequivocally that avid-forbid-avid is the standard accepted protocol in commercial floriculture.
carry on saying poison is good for your patients im glad you are not my caregiver LOL I don't like smoking the old neurotoxins LOL

 

[Hosttrevor]

No Brainer

No Brainer

How many times does it have to be said, spraying heavily toxic mite control chemicals in flower is just a complete no no, that is if you have any respect or regard for yourself and anyone else that smokes your produce.

There are other successful ways being promoted in this thread, why wouldn't you want to try that instead of poisons. I sometimes think that some people here are seriously retarded, its a no brainer isn't it?

I think I'm lucky, and what I thought was a broad mite infestation looks to be a serious off gassing issue, though I need to keep a check, which can be dealt with a lot easier. The good news is that I can't find any sign of eggs under affected leaves, or the new growth.The plants are showing healthy looking new growth on all plants, though some doing better than others, but the stems are still growing very purple and I believe I still have off gassing in or entering the room, which I'll be seeing to this week.

But for the time being I'm smoking Thai sticks and Moroccan hash, as I don't want to buy weed from cowboy growers. I'll only buy homegrown from people I know and trust.

There's a lot of weed sold that carries toxins from people playing safe, safe, the irony!

Trev

 

[Some old dude]

Good to hear

Good to hear

How many times does it have to be said, spraying heavily toxic mite control chemicals in flower is just a complete no no, that is if you have any respect or regard for yourself and anyone else that smokes your produce.

There are other successful ways being promoted in this thread, why wouldn't you want to try that instead of poisons. I sometimes think that some people here are seriously retarded, its a no brainer isn't it?

I think I'm lucky, and what I thought was a broad mite infestation looks to be a serious off gassing issue, though I need to keep a check, which can be dealt with a lot easier. The good news is that I can't find any sign of eggs under affected leaves, or the new growth.The plants are showing healthy looking new growth on all plants, though some doing better than others, but the stems are still growing very purple and I believe I still have off gassing in or entering the room, which I'll be seeing to this week.

But for the time being I'm smoking Thai sticks and Moroccan hash, as I don't want to buy weed from cowboy growers. I'll only buy homegrown from people I know and trust.

There's a lot of weed sold that carries toxins from people playing safe, safe, the irony!

Trev

Good to hear, hope it goes well and your not in a BM area or ever get them seriously would not wish it on my worst enemy. When I only grew from seed for around thirty years never a problem. I would consider never ever bringing in a "Clone' no matter how tempting. All the very best...!

 

[Some old dude]

I now tell my family and freinds

I now tell my family and freinds

i haven't got the time to go back and read what storm was recommending or to get involved in any internet warrioring, but i can tell you unequivocally that avid-forbid-avid is the standard accepted protocol in commercial floriculture.
carry on saying poison is good for you patients im glad you are not my caregiver LOL

I now tell my family and friends "you know when you go to the dispensary your ingesting nuerotoxins right..? most of them say "what are you talking about"...? and never realized what I tell them.
And I believe there is going to be more to the story to be told in the future with the state control of the product safety in Colorado as just try and find a "Legitimate" company that will test for Forbid" ...Conspiracy...? All the company's I have contacted won't even return my email and the one's that do say they don't test for it now and may in the future but it will cost an "arm and a leg" and then I tell them you know this is the industry standard now to use these poisons never hear back.Lets see how Colorado handles it .I believe this will be a watershed moment as the state cannot just accept a product that is a known neurotoxin to be used ...?

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I expect organics to blow up in Colorado.

 

[OrganicOzarks]

I am 3 days into a treatment, and I have new growth with little to no damage. Kind of early to tell, but My plants are looking better, and not worse. I will report more when it has been a week or so.