CLONING PROBLEMS! :(

[Plant n Prosper]

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[fizzbomb]

Hi PnP, everything looks really good m8, that is 1 bad ass cloner you have made , congratulations man and im sure you will be well happy with the results.

1 thing i would like to add, if you ever get slime looking shit on the stem of your clones it means your water temp is too high, room temp is perfect, water temps are safe about 20c-21c, anything above this your risking the mushy stem, so if it ever does happen, you will know what is wrong and how to fix it straight away m8, wishing you all the best with your new cloner, im sure you wont ever look back

 

[Jbomber79]

thanks I believe your correct it's dry as a bone here.

JBomber79- Sound like a humidity problem. One idea could be to put a plastic bag over the plants for a few days after transplant,like a make shift dome.. that way, if there is a humidity problem, they get a little more time to settle proper.Hope this helps..
All the best
BagAppeal

 

[komodod]

id say if your medium is too wet, you might get roots slightly above the medium. and try to take clones nearer the tops. i find top shoots better than lowers.

 

[Fluxcap]

-I keep a humidity dome over the clones and mist the dome and the cuttings twice a day

This is your issue. As my friend taught me, you can't baby 'um you gota let them crawl on their own.

Keep your clones in dim light, don't mist them ever. You put new clones in a pre-misted dome, and every day open the vents a bit more. Do not water them until the rockwool is nearly dry. If you give them every thing they need to live they won't grow roots. If you keep them in the conditions I laid out, they will have to grow roots to survive.

 

[foomar]

There can't be ANY light leaks!

That is certainly the case for some species , but have not found it to be essential in canna.

Clones root slowly but reliably in a glass of water in indirect sunlight , as fast as those in an opaque mug alongside.

Helps keep algae away which attracts pests and can harbour RA,s so definately worth doing , but i dont think its critical.



Great thing about cloneing methods is they are cheap and easy to do comparisons wiith , changeing just one factor at a time , and see results quickly rather than in months.


If you can tweak any system to root healthy stuff in a week , you have a good chance of sucess with sickly clones , undersized and revegs which might otherwise fail , and some of the cuts i receive are a week old and looking sad by the time i get them.


Found really good roots by waiting two days in the bubbler and then soaking in clonex once brown callous tissue had formed , a real explosion of roots within a week.

If useing a powdered rooting hormone , i noticed a small amount in the bubbler raised the pH well above seven , possibly the filler/bulking agent is alkaline.

Find clonex has to be fresh and fridged once oppened and requires a half hour soak for best effect , it has gained a good reputation outside canna and i reckon its worth the small expense , just dont buy a gallon unless you really need it as the shelf life is finite.

 

[bajangreen]

Read this tread, ORGANIC CLONES IN PERLITE .......... cloneing problems no more.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=224838

 

[komodod]

I disagree with the very dim lighting too. the root mass needs to come from somewhere. the more they can photosynthesise the more food they will have to produce those roots. I use normal t5s, when I use dimmer lighting the success rate dwindles for me at least.

 

[papaduc]

The single biggest mistake you made was excess scraping.

Scarifying the stem is the single process which I would advise anyone who is having problems, to skip. A lignified stem can take it, a large thick branch can take it, but when you cut a small stem like the one in your first post, and then you strip it, the chances of stem rot are massively increased.

I clone in a very simple way. I water a 1L pot to run through and let it drain, take a cut, dip it in clonex and leave it for a bit, plant it into coco and keep it warm.
A 1L pot is good for 15-20 clones and they all root after a week depending on how stable and warm you can keep the root zone.

Aero cloners look cool though. I wanna make one.

 

[komodod]

The single biggest mistake you made was excess scraping.

Scarifying the stem is the single process which I would advise anyone who is having problems, to skip. A lignified stem can take it, a large thick branch can take it, but when you cut a small stem like the one in your first post, and then you strip it, the chances of stem rot are massively increased.

i agree with that tbh because if you watch the roots come from above the cut stem, it doesn't increase the absorbtion from what ive seen and more often some of the scraped bits go rotton ime.

 

[foomar]

The single biggest mistake you made was excess scraping.

Better results if you puncture the stem rather than scrape it , a degree of damage stimulates rooting.

 

[GAIRBUD]

Here's a few quick observations. Some or all of them should help resolve your problem.

a. They look small. I like my clones to be approximately 7"
b. They look too wet. I water my clones every 2-3 days. Allowing the RW to slightly dry will help promote root growth in search of more water.
c. I would also trim 33% of the upper leaves to decrease the respiration which leads to water loss.
d. Try to keep them a little warmer... They seem to root better when keep between 75-80.

SMALL NOT A PROBLEM JUST A PREFERANCE. HE IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. ALSO 1 DROP PER 5 GALLONS FOR CLONES OF SUPERTHRIVE DONT USE ANYTHING ELSE INLESS YOU USE CLONEX SPRAY AS DIRECTED. I USE FLOURALICIOUS PLUSS ON DAY 3 . EVERYTHING ELSE OK. ALSO DONT LET THE BOTTOMS TOUCH THE WATER AND AIR OUT THAT DOME. TOO MUCH WATER AND TOO COOL TEMP AND POWIE YOU GOT MOLDS.

 

[papaduc]

Better results if you puncture the stem rather than scrape it , a degree of damage stimulates rooting.


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I might try that. Maybe dip the tip of the pin in clonex before piercing.

 

[komodod]

yeah il try it but use sterilized needles. ive never understood the cutting away leaves except to fit them under the dome.

 

[foomar]

Those were cut off the mother with scissors and pricked with the tip of a dulled scalpel to half the stem diameter , dry rooting powder rubbed into the wounds or a long soak in fresh clonex , reliable to this stage in a week or less if the temp is optimum , longer for cuts in flower.

The sugars and stimulants in superthrive are likely to have more beneficial effect on moulds and funguses and endanger your clones and best avoided in my experience.


This stiff thin stemed chop day basal clone took thirteen days to reach this stage in a dialed in bubbler that roots most sensible cuts in seven , with slower but equally viable methods i would probably have lost this one as it yellowed out.

 

[Plant n Prosper]

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[komodod]

cool to see some success! some strains are gonna be quicker than others but fingers crossed!

 

[stillnew]

glad to see you got it. by the way if you smoke cigarettes the nicotine will stay on ur fingers and this will hurt root grow. dont know if you smoke or not.

 

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