Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers

[944s2]

Lemon grove speaks the truth I'm afraid but hopefully everyone will be allowed to grow a few plants for themselves .. :/

Thankfully there is hope if we keep up the good fight and inform people about the dangers of legalization and how big corps will buy gov to shit on the competition.. hell thats what a load of laws are about.. push up the cost to do business so the big guy can clean out the lil guys.

seems like it irishdude,,as i understand it,richard branson has already invested big money in patents,,all set up and ready when he gets the word to go,,i imagine virgin kush,virgin haze,,strawberry virgin,,virgin widow??lol i really can imagine branson in some totally gigantic indoor grow as the first buds are harvested,explaining while smiling that you never need to grow again now virgin are here lol
supports what lemon grove said really,,cheeers s2

 

[MedicalGrower]

Triming sense

Triming sense

Agreed!

All those beautiful sugar leaves help to protect the medicine along its journey to the end user.

Medical trim or Patient trim as I call it removes all stem, and I mean cutting down those nice colas into individual buds. All fan leafs are gone, left with just the sugar leaf's and calxy's.

Take a moment to strip off the sugar leaf's before consuming, set em aside for cooking, smoking of hash making...

Sugar leaf's protect the medicine and is medicine also...

Maybe Patient trim is not the stuff of $4500+ lbs talked about here, but not even close to getting that price in the PNW, try $1500- $1700 lb for the super trimmed top of the line medicines.

Perception is the real driver behind the fancy trim jobs, I feel in the end a quality Patient trim will medicate just as well as a fancy trim job and should not carry the higher cost associated with the extra labor needed to strip off all the goodness, patients are looking for good medicine at a fair price, non patients in NY or LA are driving this super trim trend in MHO!

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Your meticulous hand trimming does not make the bud smoke better, as much as the pot snobs try to fool themselves that it does.

you're right, it doesn't and as a matter of fact the closer you trim your bud, the greater loss of trichomes occurs from the trimming process, storage/curing, the bag (especially the bag!) , compacting, transporting, re-weighing, re-bagging into smaller deals etc. Those smaller leaves help protect the exterior resin heads from all the handling and plastic baggings.

Presentation counts...and it counts a lot for many people (I'm definitely not one of them)...presentation doesn't get you high. I quite enjoy the whole process of selecting a bud, then spend about 10 or 20 seconds to snip off the small bud leaves prior to grinding and packing a bowl.

Plastic bags do a better job than the DEA for reducing cannabis resin usage.....plastic bags are the worst thing possible to put bud into...yet every single deal from 100 kilos down to a 0.8 gram bag are packed into resin robbing plastic bags...there must be a better way. People pay thousands for bud, yet 20 ~30% of the resin is missing by the time they get it to smoke it...lol stupid and stupider....don't believe me, try this - use magnification to check out any plastic bag that has had bud in it and you will see hundreds or thousands of smeared resin heads, lost for ever...damn what a stupid waste.

 

[Grass Lands]

Having worked in government for many years, enforcing regulations, I know a little something about how governemnt works on local, state and federal levels. People wonder what is going to happen when mj becomes legal.
What is going to happen is that all levels of governemnt are going to have their own sets of regulations and complying with all of them is going to be very expensive. If you are going to produce a product for human comsumption there will be strict regulations and the cost and time it will take to get it approved will be extremely expensive.
The costs to comply with local regulations, for example zoning regulations, will be expensive. Local agencies will more than likely require a grower to first meet all state requirements and then, more than likely, the grower will have set up shop, at the very least, in a mixed industrial use location and probably even an industrial use site; expensive.
The building and code requirements for a grow op. and going to be high. Think electrical, security etc. etc.
The major hurdle will be getting it approved by the food and drug administration. We're talking millions of dollars here. If you are trying to get something approved for medical use, well all I can say is you'd better have at least 10 million to start. Trust me, if mj ever gets legalized federally, small and medium sized growers are done.
If you are starting to believe that the only people who will be able to afford this are big pharma and big corporations, then you are beginning to get the picture. We're talking federal here. Until the feds approve it then it will always be a huge financial risk to get involved.
Yes some states have approved it, I live in one of those states, but I see stormy seas ahead. The state will have many regulations that, in order to comply, will be expensive. If you can afford that hurdle then get ready to pay the locals, they always have their own hoops for you to jump through.
Then after you have made it through the state and local agencies, paid through the nose to get a grow op and a building fitted for the grow, the very next year there can be another ballot measure seeking to over turn the new mj law. Happens all the time, stuff gets voted in, people see if it works to their satisfaction or not and if it doesn't, out see goes. If you lose on a new ballot measure, it's a ton of money down the drain. Even if you win of course the feds could still come knocking at your door. It will be much easier for them then, easy paper work trail. Thanks state and local agencies.
One thing the legal crowd never seems to talk about is that, like to bacco and alcohol, once it's legal and the monopolies have been able to get all the laws passed in their favor, producing your own is even more frowned upon. The big corporations will be sure to do everything they can, mostly buy laws, to make sure no one is horning in on their monopoly. Sure you will still be able to grow but boy if you are caught sticking your hand into the big monopolies pocket, look out brother.
In the past ten years we did learn that big money runs government and that governemnt is there to serve big money didn't we? If big pharma see one 10th of one percent of it's profits drop, well all I can say is, have you ever seen a video of a great white shark come up from below and snap up a seal? Getting involved with government, people I've only scratched the surface here, you have no idea.

maybe so....but there will always be a black market...always has been and always will be...

 

[Grass Lands]

I'm happy about one thing. Plummeting prices.

prices in my area are on the rise...

 

[Mud Boy]

prices in my area are on the rise...

Not for long.

 

[Wendull C.]

People will always search for the best. Those who can hang need not worry. That virgin Kush scares me a bit though

 

[Weird]

see what happens when you let the healing herb become a whore of babylon

everyone becomes an asshole because there is money involved

money is the root of all kinds of evil

 

[Z-ro]

The title of this thread says it all, prices for growers dropping... meanwhile, prices for the consumer are the same they always have been. wonder where the greed is really coming from...

 

[2 Legal Co]

It would appear that the legal 'sellers' have done the usual, going to the 'bottom line' for advice. Which is why there are and will continue to be two markets.

LEOs will be able to keep their jobs, and the private prisons will continue to make money from the rest of us to keep people locked up.

Just more evidence that Corporations are out of control...... Yeah, like there was any news in this post! Sorry, had to say it ,,,,,,,, again.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Maybe I wouldn't mind not trimming but I need the leaves to make the hash. Of course we don't throw them away. Bogedibles are part of my plans to cure everyones cancers. It does appear that eating cannabinol cures cancer.

So don't undervalue your leaves. It still works a lot better when eaten and leaves taste like shit when smoked and they do you little good. People could buy leafy buds and save enough to make their own but they may choose to let others do this for them.

 

[Biosynthesis]

Leaves

Leaves

Smells like hatin' bakin in here.

 

[Grass Lands]

Not for long.

you are to funny little man...price will always be dynamic...but I don't see the bottom falling out either...yes it will go up and down, however with the ruling that any county can ban the clubs the prices/donation amounts have been on the rise...and once it is legal (if it ever happens across the board) the prices will actually sky rocket for the pristine herb due to the regulations set forth by the man...high end herb will always have a niche in the market...period!

 

[Mud Boy]

Little man? When people start throwing personal insults at me, that's when I know I'm right. Must have struck a nerve. What's the matter, wallet getting a bit thin? My advice would be to get a job. You're going to need it.

 

[minds_I]

maybe so....but there will always be a black market...always has been and always will be...

Hello all,

Can you be specific...what production black market exists in legal production market?

Is there a big demand for say black market moonshine?

Are there mom and pop cigarette manufacturers pawning off their wears in back alleys.

I see a niche market, but eventually big business will trump (pardon the term) the little guy.

And for many Americans in a legal market with the means to grow would choose to grow their own.

I can't effectively grow my own tobacco for cigarettes (quit tobacco 12 years ago after 27 years of servitude to Phillip Morris) and while I can brew my own brew I can't effectively produce enough...same with whisky.

But mj, I grow the dopest dope found on any top shelf of any dispensary or any one else for that matter. It is a hobby that pays for itself by virtue of not paying others to grow and trim it. (just to clarify...my buds get me very stoned...if I have to take two hits instead of one...I have enough so they may not test with 24% thc but I just take another hit)

I am not alone and my numbers are growing.

So, if big business is going to compete with me, they are going to have produce with at least as good of quality buds as I and make it affordable such that it is easier to get it at the corner store then to produce my own.

I just don't see that happening and with a legal market, the black market will shrink due to loss of profits due to loss of customer base.

Just my opinion,

minds_I

 

[Weird]

check what percentage of india's or china's gnp comes from counterfeit goods

hell of a black market

 

[k-s-p]

Almost all moonshine is black market. What is legal comprises a negligible part of the market, and it's crap. People have no problem laying down good cash for homemade shine.

Big time market for bootleg cigarettes, too. Granted they are stolen, not home grown, but just the same the black market exists for them.

 

[Mud Boy]

Last time I checked, A******* seed bank had 124 vendors, each one offering multiple strains of "connoisseur" seeds. Anybody, and I mean anybody can grow high grade bud in their closet, and when it becomes legal to do so, do you growers really think people are going to pay top dollar when they can produce their own for a fraction of the price? Once the threat of jail is gone, the number of growers will explode.

And when they realize that they can make their own seeds, do you guys really think they'll give one more dime to the seed whores? Not only will prices plummet, but the whole market will collapse.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Seems like some teenage fantasy.

Claims of free great weed, I heard things like that in high school, but no one ever pulled out a bag of it, it was always gone last month "you should have seen it though!"

People give away cannabis that's worthless, the way I give bags of shake to old homeless guys. If they could sell this crap they would, but some people are inept at growing and can't produce product that's worth spending money on, so they give it away.

 

[minds_I]

check what percentage of india's or china's gnp comes from counterfeit goods

hell of a black market

Hello all,

Not the same thing. Golf clubs, purses, hand bags and suitcases, electronic chips, ipads are not the same thing. They are not a commodity as such.

This baits the questions...is China shipping in bootleg Budweiser and selling it on the back streets? Not likely, however, as a 60 Minute doc I had watched a number of years ago suggested that the consumer goods black market was the primary black market.

Still your point is valid.

Hard to say that the black market will disappear just shrink. Case in point, alcohol and prohabition. I gather there is a market for moonshine however I have never been in the market for black moonshine...just stating that the demand has never been apparent to me on the left coast.


minds_I

 

[Z-ro]

I smell bacon.