Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers

[CriptonicPlague]

I think it has to depend on when u set your grow up too. work with that other guys that's taking your business when u have no smoke. the less informed your client is the more they will pay. but then u have to worry about shafting your client. i can get 175 for some premo tops. but is that guys always gonna have it is the ?

 

[SooperSmurph]

From black market to merely bootleg, I don't mind that transition, I could do with siring my own generation of politically motivated children funded with intoxicants.

 

[frito bandito]

Have fun cheating people and performing like a black market version of the tobacco companies, but the rest of us want better, obviously indicated by the downvotes consistently received by you and frito.

The only thing those downvotes indicate is that this forum is filled with clueless ignoramuses who have a herd mentality, and are unable to think or see beyond the next 5 minutes. Thankfully a few like Mud Boy get it. It's about the effect, not the appearance, which means jack shit in the long run. You people are so goddamn smug, as most ignorant humans are, who think they have it all figured out. You think I'm angry and hateful? Hahahah.....no....I'm just amused, because I know in 10 years time people like you will either a) be doing things my way, or b) will be out of business. If you think that hand trimming buds is profitable and smart, wait until bud is going for $50/oz and you're still trying to push the same "premium" "quality" herb for three times the price. You will be laughed all the way out of the store and down the block. You think your army of hand trimmers can keep up with and compete with the machinery that I'm designing? Hahaha. Good luck with that....sucker.

 

[macdiesel]

I gotta say, I'm tired of all the fools that grow that are pro-legalization who think it's going to be business as usual.

They say dumb shit like "those who grow connoisseur weed won't be effected" etc. by corporations or big tobacco.

When tobacco gets a hold of the marijuana industry, it's lights out, and it's already happening. 20 pack joints will be sold for $30 at Circle K beginning January 2014 here in Colorado. Big tobacco has their people in on this already.....just at a smaller level to protect themselves from the Feds.

How is that connoisseur private "top shelf" tobacco and "top shelf" whiskey trade doing for you all? Oh yeah, there really isn't a niche there.

At least the growers in California were smart enough to shoot down legalization there.
Our only hope is some super right-wing conservatard president in the future ignoring state laws.

 

[Dilbert Do]

It'll be like Bud vs. micro-brew

 

[SooperSmurph]

I gotta say, I'm tired of all the fools that grow that are pro-legalization who think it's going to be business as usual.

They say dumb shit like "those who grow connoisseur weed won't be effected" etc. by corporations or big tobacco.

When tobacco gets a hold of the marijuana industry, it's lights out, and it's already happening. 20 pack joints will be sold for $30 at Circle K beginning January 2014 here in Colorado. Big tobacco has their people in on this already.....just at a smaller level to protect themselves from the Feds.

How is that connoisseur private "top shelf" tobacco and "top shelf" whiskey trade doing for you all? Oh yeah, there really isn't a niche there.

At least the growers in California were smart enough to shoot down legalization there.
Our only hope is some super right-wing conservatard president in the future ignoring state laws.

Nah.

Currently the regs are designed so as not to allow a conglomerate to come in and flood the streets with pot, Retail production and shops are limited by the counties and cities, and within these limits existing medical establishments shall be given first dibs on the available licenses, will someone eventually manage to get a growing license into the hands of a big corporation? Probably, but not for a few years, and we have time to show the community how wonderful things can be without Phillip Morris covering their joints in arsenic, and if the market then chooses cheap poisonous crap over the quality they've been getting, it'll be a step backwards against logic, and at least it won't be our fault.

Large scale outdoor production is still not allowed in the way most people think of it, greenhouses are technically allowed but have to be run under specific constraints (one of the strangest being plants are not allowed to root into the earth itself, they must be grown in containers).

Premium tobacco and whiskey have their place, newcomers are more limited by regulations than they are by market forces, a distiller's license is an expensive thing, and the average home distiller can't afford the costs that go along with operating a legal still in addition to those licensing fees. Also take into account that, like the grow permits of prop 64, licenses to distill / serve liquor are limited in number, so people who aren't able to obtain these licenses obviously don't have a place in the retail market, no matter how talented, rich, or ambitious they might be. Anyone who sells a Grow license in the next couple years is insane, they're selling a money printing machine, so I doubt the market will open up to new producers any time soon.

 

[supermanlives]

micro brews are kicking ass here in cali and top shelf booze always sells. moonshine or whiskey especially. I aint worried a bit. I have paid quite a bit for my craft whiskey\bourbon in my time lol and Budweiser the regular one sucks ass for a beer. they do have some specialty beers that are acceptable but nothing outstanding.i also have no interest in buying prerolled packs . I like to see what I am getting an roll it my damn self. I don't want floor scrapings LOL

 

[macdiesel]

You guys don't get it. Big tobacco is already using top shelf for their packs......but the ostrich head in the sand approach probably hurts less.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Show us these amazing prototype Kemosabes?

 

[macdiesel]

Perhaps it's YOU that is blind and ignorant.

Keep telling yourself otherwise, and in the meantime the market goes corporate.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

I am for legalization. Has to be done right and I can compete in a legal and open cannabis market. However I want a cottage industry to be enforced.

You see it depends what we enact as laws. You can't be for sending thousands to jail every year for growing weed. You don't really want to be forced to operate illegally but if you really do then there are plenty of illegal drugs for you to start dealing.

Whatever form it takes, legalization is coming so we need to get to work by getting involved with politics. I plan on having a Bog Cannabis micro brew of sorts.

Not to discount concerns about commercialization and big business. You are right that bad laws could ruin a new industry. Make it good. I can't do it cause I'm busy. Bog

 

[SooperSmurph]

Perhaps it's YOU that is blind and ignorant.

Keep telling yourself otherwise, and in the meantime the market goes corporate.

If the secret lab from Weeds really exists with a bunch of high paid growers whispering under NDAs, and they're working for the tobacco companies? Ew, lol.

Was asking for proof of your assertion, which made you squirm. I stand by my meme.

 

[oldchuck]

Here's something to think about. I read a brief report about a study done in 2009, Zach Klein, principle investigator, in Israel. I think this is a guy who is involved with trying to develop a THC free cannabis med. 19 Patients in an Israeli nursing home, ages 69-101, were given three doses of cannabis a day no matter what their medical condition. At the end of the study the results were that 72% of these old people had been able to reduce their conventional drug meds (for whatever) by 1.7 doses a day.

This blew my mind and has warped my thinking about what big drug companies might be thinking if they paid any attention.

I need to look at the whole study but suppose that 1.7 doses of conventional drugs amounted to about a third of what those old folks had been taking, all different drugs for different things. That would mean a one third reduction in the money the big drug guys would collect, a big hit to say the least. Suppose they did a bigger study of several hundred people the same way and it reduced conventional drug intake by half, not unreasonable I think. What would big pharma do about legalized weed? They would be losing many billions if people switched to cannabis.

 

[macdiesel]

I am for legalization. Has to be done right and I can compete in a legal and open cannabis market. However I want a cottage industry to be enforced.

You see it depends what we enact as laws. You can't be for sending thousands to jail every year for growing weed. You don't really want to be forced to operate illegally but if you really do then there are plenty of illegal drugs for you to start dealing.

Whatever form it takes, legalization is coming so we need to get to work by getting involved with politics. I plan on having a Bog Cannabis micro brew of sorts.

Not to discount concerns about commercialization and big business. You are right that bad laws could ruin a new industry. Make it good. I can't do it cause I'm busy. Bog

Great post. Love the Bogglegum btw.

If the secret lab from Weeds really exists with a bunch of high paid growers whispering under NDAs, and they're working for the tobacco companies? Ew, lol.

Was asking for proof of your assertion, which made you squirm. I stand by my meme.

It's not my job to educate you, especially when you act like you already know everything.
Think packs of j's at Circle K, JAN 2014. You heard it here first.

Here's something to think about. I read a brief report about a study done in 2009, Zach Klein, principle investigator, in Israel. I think this is a guy who is involved with trying to develop a THC free cannabis med. 19 Patients in an Israeli nursing home, ages 69-101, were given three doses of cannabis a day no matter what their medical condition. At the end of the study the results were that 72% of these old people had been able to reduce their conventional drug meds (for whatever) by 1.7 doses a day.

This blew my mind and has warped my thinking about what big drug companies might be thinking if they paid any attention.

I need to look at the whole study but suppose that 1.7 doses of conventional drugs amounted to about a third of what those old folks had been taking, all different drugs for different things. That would mean a one third reduction in the money the big drug guys would collect, a big hit to say the least. Suppose they did a bigger study of several hundred people the same way and it reduced conventional drug intake by half, not unreasonable I think. What would big pharma do about legalized weed? They would be losing many billions if people switched to cannabis.

High cannabanoid low/nil thc has been the rage in certain areas for a while now.

 

[Lemon Larry]

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[Mud Boy]

Me, I like the Prohibition comparison. Even when it was lifted, it was still illegal to make and sell moonshine and still is in most states. Does anyone here have the lobbying money that big tobacco and big pharma has? No? Does anyone here have the flashy packaging and marketing capabilities of big tobacco? Probably not. How will you "connoiseur" growers survive when half of the price on your product is taxes? What about compliance with testing procedures to make sure your product is fit to consume? Will you have to export production overseas to make a profit? Are you ready for all the lawsuits from unscrupulous people that were "damaged" by your products? What about the millions of growers who will come pouring out of the woodwork like cockroaches when it's legalized nationwide? Can you compete with them? And if you think that prices are plummeting now, wait until the market is completely flooded with product and everybody and his brother has a crop going in his backyard. You might as well just grind up your hand trimmed bud and feed it to the pigs. At least you'll get some pork chops out of it.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Some of y'all are completely missing the point...no matter how skilled or good you are it doesn't matter unless you can get that growers license...

Watching WA to see what requirements they put...

Is there a minimum amount of funds allowed for would be applicants? Would suck if they only let folks with a million in the bank invest in this....for sure gonna shut the mom and pops out...marijuana wil be much more controlled than alcohol buhleeeedat!

 

[minds_I]

Me, I like the Prohibition comparison. Even when it was lifted, it was still illegal to make and sell moonshine and still is in most states. Does anyone here have the lobbying money that big tobacco and big pharma has? No? ......

Hello all,

I believe Mudboy is spot on.

I grow in my yard.... will never again be without buds and no longer reliant upon the black market or the charade/farce that exists in the medical cannabis realm.

minds_I

 

[BushyOldGrower]

Change is scary and many already have flooded the market here in CA. Even though prices are low I still get more than most do. That's because I have a very reliable, clean product that is exclusive. It won't be easy to take me down with competition.

Still I do worry but I worry a lot more about health issues. If you are healthy you can support yourself. Mrs Bog and I make it somehow together but alone? I don't know if I could do it alone but we have a son and other family members to help us if one of us dies.

Bog Seeds will be our legacy and our company will survive. My family have started many businesses in the past. Ever hear of The Alpena Car Co.? My ancestor was building and selling a fine car back in the early 1900s and a partner stole all the company funds and ook off. Bankrupted the company and we lost that one but my grandfather didn't quit.

He started another business catering to Detroit auto workers that was quite successful and my dad worked there and eventually sold the company to big vending company but he remained in charge of their Michigan division. My dad retrained late in life tob e a real estate broker and retired a small farmer groing his hay.

We have many examples of how intelligent people work for the changes they want but adapt and survive in any enviorment. You can be a success in a legal market but you will need to excell and this takes a lot of work and thought.

Row, row, row your boat...gently, down the stream...merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily...

Life is but a Dream!

 

[Mud Boy]

IMO all medical marijuana should be completely non-profit, nobody should make any money from sick people, period. Charge for supplies, overhead and a modest wage for the grower but nothing else. Anyone who makes a profit from medical marijuana is a scumbag in my book. As far as recreational users, they've been getting ripped off from black market dealers for decades, and I hope the bottom drops out of the market and everybody starts growing their own. If I was a pot dealer, I would start looking for a job.