Introduce Myself with my 7200w 12 light Vert Grow

[DHF]

Sorry ta hear bout yer issues Bro......Is what it is and ta be dealt with and learned from........now.....

Calcium deficiency shows up as rusty brown spots on the leaves , as to compared to Magnesium deficiency shows up as interveinal chlorosis/yellowing between leaf ribs......that said..

That looks like ph imbalance and lockouts from ppm`s risin and ph droppin IME , but I`ve been wrong before.........anyways....

Good luck and let us know what happens......

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Avinash.miles]

sheik, bummer about the mites & pm.....

fwiw i use a large atomizer sprayer:

it really gets into every nook and crany when sprayed properly..... with much less effort than any other hand or pump sprayer that i've used.

good coverage for killin mites and killin PM

not a particularly cheap garden item, but now that i got one, i will never be without one.

 

[farmari]

[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=43620&pictureid=1025457&thumb=1]View Image[/url] This is in my other room. Looks like Cal def to me. Thoughts?

I have no idea, but just to comment that the only times I've had leaves curl in that manner while still 'alive' was when the solution PH would get over 6.5 .... what has the PH been ranging around?

 

[sheik_yerbouti]

Sorry ta hear bout yer issues Bro......Is what it is and ta be dealt with and learned from........now.....

Calcium deficiency shows up as rusty brown spots on the leaves , as to compared to Magnesium deficiency shows up as interveinal chlorosis/yellowing between leaf ribs......that said..

That looks like ph imbalance and lockouts from ppm`s risin and ph droppin IME , but I`ve been wrong before.........anyways....

Good luck and let us know what happens......

Peace....DHF..........

Thanks Fred...Should get a decent crop so it's not all bad.

Its hard to tell in the pic but there are rusty brown spots on that leaf leading me to the Cal def.....whether that's from low nutes or salt build up / ph lockout I'm just guessing then. The entire room that that leaf was in is happy and healthy but with a few plants starting to get the yellowing.

I mix my nutrients and ph the reservoir usually a couple of hours before hand watering. I always check EC (1.2) and ph (6.0 -6.5. usuall 6.2) before so I'm pretty confident that I am feeding at a low enough EC and proper Ph. Maybe I'm letting the soil dry out too much causing ph fluctuation and salt build up in the soil?....I'm open to anything if feeding at a higher EC and adding Cal/mag doesn't solve the problem.

sheik, bummer about the mites & pm.....

fwiw i use a large atomizer sprayer:

View Image

it really gets into every nook and crany when sprayed properly..... with much less effort than any other hand or pump sprayer that i've used.

good coverage for killin mites and killin PM

not a particularly cheap garden item, but now that i got one, i will never be without one.

Sounds handy as hell, I picked up a nice sprayer that get quite good coverage but as I'm finding out for PM and mites you really do need to cover every millimeter of the plant....

I have no idea, but just to comment that the only times I've had leaves curl in that manner while still 'alive' was when the solution PH would get over 6.5 .... what has the PH been ranging around?

6.0 - 6.5. It's a nice bluelab pen that I calibrate often so I'm fairly confident that it's not a ph issue. Unless like a said earlier I'm letting the soil dry out too much. I've read that when the soil dries out too much the nutrient salts build up and can cause ph fluctuations and salt build up or something along those line. I've got the worst recall memory...jeez. I read something then forget the majority almost immediately. Give me equations any day, just don't make me try and repeat anything I've read....

Thanks for the input guys. This next round is happy and healthy so far but the signs of yellowing leaves is starting, I really want to find a solution before it gets out of hand.



Overall healthy and beautiful

 

[forkup]

Have you closely checked soil samples for root aphids and the like? I hope that's not the problem. I agree with the others about the leaf issues, looks like lockout to me. Have you checked runoff? As you mention don't let them dry out too much as ph and ec can shift. Before you let the ppk intimidate you check into it more closely. It doesn't have to be ran with a lot of top watering as most do. D9s first incarnation was mainly fed by wicking and he cropped out some big plants so the size you're growing now would be no problem for the ppk.

 

[sheik_yerbouti]

Have you closely checked soil samples for root aphids and the like? I hope that's not the problem. I agree with the others about the leaf issues, looks like lockout to me. Have you checked runoff? As you mention don't let them dry out too much as ph and ec can shift. Before you let the ppk intimidate you check into it more closely. It doesn't have to be ran with a lot of top watering as most do. D9s first incarnation was mainly fed by wicking and he cropped out some big plants so the size you're growing now would be no problem for the ppk.

Haven't checked soil samples, Aphids sound brutal. Just did a quick search and symptoms are leaf yellowing and random deficiencies that don't make sense. Now I scared, better not be or I'll be pissed.

Looking into ppk but problem is I have limited height. Only about 6' ceiling so with having to put in a bottom bucket I will lose a good foot of space. I'm probably going to take some cash from this grow and set up an automatic drain to waste watering system. Water more frequently to avoid the drying out cycle.

 

[sheik_yerbouti]

So.....fuck me. Looks like root aphids.....uhg. So now from ordering clones I picked up Mites, Powdery Mildew and Root aphids....Who does that? Who sells a product knowing that they are so infested with shit yet still accept $. Just irate right now, went 2 years with a minor thrip problem while doing my own clones. Wanted a new strain that would grow taller for Vert bulbs and now this...just disheartening. Now the battle begins. Problem is i have plants in 3 stages of growth so cleaning everything after this round isn't an option. My other room is at week 4 of flower and I just potted up the clones for the next round into 1 gallons. Fuck me this sucks, everything I read is hopeless, basically the worst pest ever.....Never order clones from an unknown source...ever

 

[whatthe215]

hey sorry to hear about the aphids, i fought em off a lil while back. i'll share my experience a little bit.

i was lucky enough that everything was in veg so i hit em all with Merit 75WP (75% IMID powder) at 1tsp/5gal for a week along with pro control plus bug bombs. i still had em though. then i added SM90 at 5ml/gal and they all disappeared in a couple days. that's the short version. i foliar sprayed it as well.

did that for 2 weeks and haven't seen any since.

 

[sheik_yerbouti]

hey sorry to hear about the aphids, i fought em off a lil while back. i'll share my experience a little bit.

i was lucky enough that everything was in veg so i hit em all with Merit 75WP (75% IMID powder) at 1tsp/5gal for a week along with pro control plus bug bombs. i still had em though. then i added SM90 at 5ml/gal and they all disappeared in a couple days. that's the short version. i foliar sprayed it as well.

did that for 2 weeks and haven't seen any since.

Hey thanks whatthe. Good to hear you got rid of them....lots of horror stories out there. Pretty upset that I have to battle them but at least I'm not chasing this phantom deficiency anymore.

Lot's of good information around out there, sounds like a bit of an epidemic with these nasties, I now have hope that I can keep them at bay and even get rid of them eventually. Kinda tricky being in Canada as lots of the products recommended to use aren't available here but so far I think I've found enough to take care of the problem.

My Recipe will be

Systemic
Merit 75 WP - Imidaclorpid
Acephate 75 - Acephate (haven't tracked down in Canada yet)

Want a few types as to not let them develop resistance to either

Contact killer
Insecticidal soap
Spectracide Triazicide (ordered already)
Met 52 (hope I can get this. Sounds really good)
Ortho max bug b gon - bifenthrin

Going to use any contact killer I can get my hands on to get my two flower rooms through til harvest then start off with a full on Nuclear attack on all plants in early life cycle. I don't have much hope to get rid of them forever but like Mites and PM hopefully they can be kept at bay enough not to have much effect of yield.

Just stressin hard....no sleep...just want a healthy crop. One day.

 

[Jamorg13]

sheik, bummer about the mites & pm.....

fwiw i use a large atomizer sprayer:

View Image

it really gets into every nook and crany when sprayed properly..... with much less effort than any other hand or pump sprayer that i've used.

good coverage for killin mites and killin PM

not a particularly cheap garden item, but now that i got one, i will never be without one.

I swear by mine. One of the best investments I have ever made. Works especially well with systemic pesticides/herbicides that need to be absorbed into the plant through its stomata.

 

[DirtyBurger]

Howdy Sheik, sorry to hear abouts them troubles ya her wen. This is what I use for mites, (Vitality plus), even with your troubles a very impressive grow, well done to you for your great effort in helping easing people's ailments, and without trying to compromise their immune systems.

God damn fucking mites, tiny is as tiny do?

https://simplyhydroponics.com.au/component/k2/item/414-vitality-plus-plant-conditioner-750-ml.html

See if you can get some, not necessarily in OZ but somewhere near your current lattitude/longitude. It will work with your organic or low level regime for those who are sensitive.

This shit is awesome and I never really worry bout the mites now, when I see them I just go buy this and spray my plants, I love looking at them under a microscope when they are dead!

Also have you thought about clove oil when cleaning your room? That shit kills mold, just add some detergent so it works better, also works for the patients.

If you have root aphids or fungus gnats (contested whether they are the same?), I would also suggest vectobac. Looks like they have it in your area too.

http://www.valent.ca/products/vectobac/

I have been using this for some time and man they hate it, it rips their tiny guts out when they are larvae and reduces the numbers real quick. I generally put it in at each stage of the growth cycle, this keeps the numbers real low. It is very hard to get rid of these fuckers and I have to live with them now. You could also try buying some live bugs, they can help keep numbers down.

I feel your pain after going through and trying all of these products to help reduce my environmental problems, now I just need to work on humidity!

respect for your efforts.

 

[coloradcannabis]

Shit bro i'm back and sad to hear about the mites and mold. I have had mold issues off and on for years and I learned you REALLY have to just lock down the humidity and keep it low by any means necessary. Bare minimum TONS of "wind" on your plants will keep mold away. If the leaves are shaking 24/7 from air movement mold will not grow as well or at all.

More wind = more transpiration = more watering

 

[VertNwb]