pot hits it's potency ceiling, so where to now?!

[Gerardbutler79]

I'm the same way rinse. Hate when I see promotion of THC% like it matters. There ought to be a sticky thread somewhere stating its just marketing bullsh*t. I like comfortable high's myself tho. I've yet to find something practical to replace my old flo cut. Waiting for some Highland Oaxacan lines to be offered so until then I continue to roam the boards like a nomad LOL

 

[Weird]

like I said in the and I use the term loosely "is everyone a breeder" thread

the FUTURE is making hybrids based on beneficial terp profiles, that is everyone makes their own personalized medicines out of the improved cultivars that now exist

I crossed a sativa that addressed my add needs with a kush that addresses my anxiety needs and have a cross that addresses both

our bodies tell us what is favorable and all we have to do is listen to the biofeedback to gauge what works best for us

 

[subrob]

What about Adubb - it tested over 30... San Diego's Finest boys put in work...



dank.Frank

Do you have a source for that?

If you go to sc labs website you can find it..not sure...but I think the highest was 33.8% THC
But adub is a good example of high THC not being everything...don't get me wrong...I LOVE a dub...love the high...one of my faves but the high isn't as complete as others we have
No one has to worry about og kush ruining the cannabis gene pool...or indica/sativa hybrids...or feminized seeds..or all these new seedmakers....we don't have the power to ruin something that has survived us globally for this long...
These cannabis websites are an incredibly SMALL portion of the growing world and I think we all tend to worry too much and think that people who post here and there are the be all end all of the canna world...problems get exaggerated... (see history of tmv threat and question threads on this site alone)
We all be aight...and so will our fav plants!

 

[jayjayfrank]

if potency hasnt hit the ceiling how come i can't buy a 100 day haze from a mmj club? in california no less...

didnt sam say pure thc was boring?

 

[gloryoskie]

Flavors and profiles are a big part of the new breeders toolkit.

Potency will always factor in, but crossing cannabis based
on specific traits is cool as hell.

 

[Weird]

one thing that was glazed over in the "is everyone is a breeder" thread is that chemovar profiles are not tough to breed for

breeding for improved chemovar AND improved physical phenotype is tricky but that is were hybrid vigor bridges the gap

this is why I personally focus only on crossing based on secondary metabolites and not primary metabolites

hybrid vigor naturally improves primary traits allowing the breeder to focus on candidates that exhibit the best facets of secondary metabolites production

chemovar inheritance is easy (even thought misunderstood by even those who post studies that reference it), but as you add to traits to the gamut of variables in a breeding regime you can exploit biological benefits like hybrid vigor to avoid the depression of inbreeding achieving beneficial results faster than a traditional paradigm would allow

all it takes is some intuition and wherewithal but if your stuck on disseminating instinct into science you might miss the boat all together

you can doubt my words but this is how the different strains of cannabis evolved so quickly in the past few decades without the benefit of modern breeding science

 

[gloryoskie]

Weird, good post. Out of rep.

The "is everyone is a breeder" thread is gone, as well as my subscription.
Must have had another flame war. Sigh.

 

[Weird]

Weird, good post. Out of rep.

The "is everyone is a breeder" thread is gone, as well as my subscription.
Must have had another flame war. Sigh.

it was closed because misinformation does not trump truth and this lead to frustration by those trying to manipulate it versus those who simply seek to understand it

enough minds were opened to make the effort WELL worth while

nam myoho rengo kyo is what comes to mind in situations like this

the truth will be propagated regardless of our efforts to obfuscate it

 

[azad]

What about Adubb - it tested over 30... San Diego's Finest boys put in work...dank.Frank

Much positive rep and respect to San Diego's Finest

 

[WelderDan]

High THC percentages don't really mean jack. There are so many chemical compounds in cannabis that we don't even understand how they work or what exactly they do. And since we are all wired differently, (chemically speaking) the effects vary widely from person to person.

One mans grail is another mans paranoid anxiety trip. Some folks favour a stupefying Indica, others find it boring or dislike the feeling. Others like that edgy heart pounding buzz you get from a haze. Some like a balanced high. Any one of those can seem to be "the most potent" to any given individual.

Potency is more than raw THC percentage. It's individual perception and preference. I've seen people get stupid on what I thought was average weed. There is no one-size-fits-all when it comes to potency.

 

[gloryoskie]

Yup.

I have noticed an increase in activity for threads about breeding
and especially selfing. For a site that promotes breeders is
interesting to see the evolution of growers devotion to process.

It only recently occurred to me to cross the families already
in my possession.

 

[willyweed]

if anybody out there could produce the high without the smell,not without any smell,just enough to not be antisocial,which it sadly is in the uk,and other places around the globe !

 

[Weird]

if anybody out there could produce the high without the smell,not without any smell,just enough to not be antisocial,which it sadly is in the uk,and other places around the globe !

I always based my combinations on traits that are part of the secondary metabolite matrix because it was what is important yto me, that is flavor taste and high

that said flavor taste and high are not so commingled that they cannot be separated or combined

However, for me, taste and flavor heighten the smoking experience so I always selected the most pronounced of those traits to select upon, however I have had stock that did not exhibit the same nature but still held a beneficial chemovar.

breeder vic's big blue (nl#5 x blueberry) from British Columbia seed company was the seed stock. someone gave me 2 seeds form a breeder pack I ran them both and ran one for several years

it was very low odor with chemovar similar to blueberry, Many people liked it and requested it, but it was not to my liking. It met the chemovar needs many sought but for me did not have the elements I desire in secondary metabolite production for me to keep it past a few years or so, that is the euphoric high and low odor was appraceated by many but personally because I desire pronounced taste and smell i found little personal value myself other than chemovar

I bred it out against several favorable hybrids my intuition tells me will create excellent representations of progeny with a potential combination of desirable traits with hybrid vigor that will be better than either original offering in regards to my objective

hope this helps

 

[Elephunk]

It was never about maximum potency for me, its the quality of the stone, so its all about the overall cannabinoid/terpene profile rather than just THC %...

Besides, we see more threads asking for anti anxiety strains than the strongest head fuck ones these days...And then there are CBD strains which are gaining poularity fast.

The indoor grown polyhybrids bred for maximum potency have sacrificed the finer subtleties of the cannabis experience along the way, most long term smokers recognise this.
They get boring fast and are easy to build a tolerance to, not too mention the whole generic homegeneity aspect, which is directly related to the generic homogenous imitation environment.
If you want to escape reality or knock yourself out a bottle of vodka will do the job.

Still, the most powerful cannabis experiences come from old sativa's, Malawi, Zamal etc, some of these strains Im sure were just as powerful not decades, but centuries ago.

This.

High CBD to low THC varieties are becoming increasingly rare due to selective breeding over decades/centuries for max thc. For a truly medicinal use variety it has to be high CBD. CBD is shown to be an excellent anti inflammatory which has major medicinal uses. Think of all the synthesized drugs we use today specifically for that. Except MJ isn't addictive, doesn't damage your kidneys and liver, and can be grown at home and tinctures can be made safely with low cost to the patient.

That is the true future in my eyes for a real medicinal MJ and the only way I can really see it being taken seriously as having true medicinal value by people in position to make any sort of mainstream change.

On that note, in Hokaido Japan there is an isolated variety referred to as "dosanko" that grows wild in the country that has the potential to have a higher CBD to THC content and can be of true medicinal breeding value. Due precisely to the fact that it hasn't been crossed to other hybrids in hundreds of years because of that isolation. And because it grows in Hokaido which is a very northern latitude, it is an early finisher which obviously has immense breeding value to outdoor growers who seek to breed a heavy yielding, fast finishing hybrid that can beat the choppers.

There was a group that offered it 5 years back or so, but I forget the name (someone help me here). I'm sure they have gone defunct at this point. I wish I had bought some when they were still around. Very interesting potential there.

 

[barnyard]

this chart is from a local wellness center...

this chart is from a local wellness center...

we haven't even begun to discover the wonders of our lovely Mary Jane, IMO

 

[Ziggaro]

Concentrates are becoming more and more mainstream
Just a few years ago head shops were completely different. Now half of their pieces are for smoking concentrates.
As far as potency goes nothing gets me there like some full melt or oil

 

[subrob]

We were also gifted a cut here in dago that originated from 'project cbd' or something like that..the cut is called canatonic...can't remember what the cbd readings were(can also be found at sc labs website I believe) but in the teens...didn't think I would get high..very low THC..but still a very thorough overall high..and the wax was insane!

This.

High CBD to low THC varieties are becoming increasingly rare due to selective breeding over decades/centuries for max thc. For a truly medicinal use variety it has to be high CBD. CBD is shown to be an excellent anti inflammatory which has major medicinal uses. Think of all the synthesized drugs we use today specifically for that. Except MJ isn't addictive, doesn't damage your kidneys and liver, and can be grown at home and tinctures can be made safely with low cost to the patient.

That is the true future in my eyes for a real medicinal MJ and the only way I can really see it being taken seriously as having true medicinal value by people in position to make any sort of mainstream change.

On that note, in Hokaido Japan there is an isolated variety referred to as "dosanko" that grows wild in the country that has the potential to have a higher CBD to THC content and can be of true medicinal breeding value. Due precisely to the fact that it hasn't been crossed to other hybrids in hundreds of years because of that isolation. And because it grows in Hokaido which is a very northern latitude, it is an early finisher which obviously has immense breeding value to outdoor growers who seek to breed a heavy yielding, fast finishing hybrid that can beat the choppers.

There was a group that offered it 5 years back or so, but I forget the name (someone help me here). I'm sure they have gone defunct at this point. I wish I had bought some when they were still around. Very interesting potential there.

 

[Nunsacred]

it was closed because misinformation does not trump truth and this lead to frustration by those trying to manipulate it ..

key thing to bear in mind : if a breeder is confident in their methods and plans they will dare to question them with dignity.

Most of that thread was undignified.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Low THC varieties you can find in hemp like USO-31, Fasamo, Beniko, Finola etc.High in CBD will be more difficult to find.Sometimes you can increase potency by other factors.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=81260

Keep on growing

 

[purple_man]

i hope folks start to realize that bag-appeal and so called thc% readings ain't worth shit, if the smoker is looking to get high and not wrecked/stoned and burned out... hence i hope many more exotic sativas will find their way back in full effect.

blessss