Questions for Sam the Skunkman on Hindu Kush Indicas

[Madjag]

I've looked through the 17 pages of Sam's "Old Gallery" and have not found any cannabis photos labelled Khandahari, Khyberi, etc. Find the photos and send me the link and I'll be glad to compare them.

 

[bombadil.360]

Afghani #1

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that plant looks exactly like some colombians I've grown. some even maintain that single leaf trait until the end of flower.

as the story goes about how cannabis arrived to Colombia, the main source is suspected to be Afghanistan. So it'd make sense why those afghans and the colombians that I've grown (a lot I may add) look exactly the same.

another thing to consider, is what is discussed in this thread about afghan plants: Vavilov, Afghan Sativas and Uzbeki Giants:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=25927

if I find some of the old pics of the colombians I'll re-post them here for your appreciation.

peace

 

[bombadil.360]

found it quick in the old gallery, this must have been 2006 or so...

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Sacred Seeds

Sacred Seeds

Hey Madjag,
You are right, and the plant you have a photo of from Seedsman is not my Afghan #1.
The ones you used in the 70's were Sacred Seeds via RCC, and if you remember they were very large and almost perfectly round. What did the seed from Seedsman look like?
Some of the most beautiful seeds I have ever produced...
Afghani #1 was not my kind of pot, it was super couch-lock, very strong, but not what I like at all. Some people I knew loved it.
-SamS

I've looked through the 17 pages of Sam's "Old Gallery" and have not found any cannabis photos labelled Khandahari, Khyberi, etc. Find the photos and send me the link and I'll be glad to compare them.

 

[Madjag]

Hiya Sam,

I am beginning to question EU seed sources after this. You have definitely confirmed it. I purchased my Seedsman Afghani#1 through a reseller in Spain, Hipersemillas. They came in the distinctive Seedsman packaging.

Only one germed from a 10-pack indicating they were old to begin with. The seeds were small and generally un-mottled. The smoke is definitely not couch-lock....much more Sativa-like and cerebral.

I've questioned whether I made the mistake during planting in small, Rootmaker pots. I labelled all my pots as I planted and had no other seeds anyway that after growing out even closely resembled this plant. If I had accidentally mis-labelled or mixed seeds the final product, of which I had 6 different strains, would be the clincher.

Only this plant smoked as it does. The high is not similar to any of the others I grew. The verdict does not point well for resellers, whether an accident or not. Oh well. Know your source.

I am not a couch-lock fan either. It has its uses of course, especially for sedation. I admire the way you described RCC and yourself liking up, clear, no ceiling highs in an earlier post. It's the way to go on a daily basis if you have to operate heavy machinery anyway like a car, hahaha.

I was the only passenger in a helicopter with a young guy pilot a few years ago. He dabbled in the qualities we enjoy. Hitting 160 knots and banking over a glacier in an A-Star isn't couch-lock country either and I am glad he could do it all so cleanly.

No country for old men....

Hope to meet you one day. If you ever visit the US let me know and I'll do my best to hook up. I have some 70's herb labels for your collection. You're always welcome at my casa as well.

Peace,
MJ

 

[Rinse]

If I had to guess what's going on with this particular pheno and individual plant I'd say it was very high CBD. The THC-type high was light and airy, not what you'd expect from an Afghani#1. This could mean low THC content.

The relief of pain aspect....I don't have any particular pain other than daily stretch and strain. I was hoping to have a test subject who could use it and tell, but he moved. It never grew large and the buds were very airy also, like the high, looking almost totally like a Sativa. Hmmm...

I finished a Afghani #1 from Seedsman. Was thin leaved and buds were not dense almost airy.

Anyways, the buzz is very indica. Sedative with some euphoria but no mental excitement or urge to go do anything. Would be good for insomnia. Potency is good but not a killer type of high.

Taste is typical Afghan, kinda earthy and hashy.

I only grew 1 plant so this example may not tell the whole story.

I grew the Afghani 1 and got the same, airy buds and lanky structure, nothing like I expected. The finished buds actually looked nice, orange haired and resinous, but they were nothing in potency compared to MLI.

 

[mingmen]

this thread is blowing my mind. thanks to all who contributed.

 

[Madjag]

Oh yes,

Sam the seeds you sent via RCC in the 70's were very large. Each Sacred Seed envelope with the label had two giant gelatin caps with 25 seeds in each one. It could have been 50 in each capsule but I think they would not have fit.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

big and round

big and round

I remember them as some of the most perfectly round seeds, and large.
-SamS

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Oh yes,

Sam the seeds you sent via RCC in the 70's were very large. Each Sacred Seed envelope with the label had two giant gelatin caps with 25 seeds in each one. It could have been 50 in each capsule but I think they would not have fit.

 

[window]

afghani#1

afghani#1

Hi,i first grew afghani#1 from seedman about seven years ago and it was everything the description said,vigarous,strong stem and branches,fat dark green leaves,fat buds and copious resin and knock out stone.Oh yeah and they absalutlly stank and finished fast,i was a happy stoner. Allthough these days i prefer sativas i was happy to recieve some afghani#1 freebies from a recent order with seedsman,i was not so happy after growing them out.Although not thin leafed like madjags,they were nothing like the afghans i grew years ago,these lacked vigour,hardly branched and had a flat dreary high and low yeild. After reading this thread i emailed seedsman,this is there reply.... Hi,we have had a couple of different suppliers of afghani seeds over the years we have been operational.None of them have come from Sam and we never claimed they did.There will be variation between the two although it should not be that large,regards seedsman. Hmmm,i do hope that there Skunkman range comes from sam as they say they do as im growing out californian skunk haze.

 

[Rusty Mohican]

I grew some Hindu Kush back in 1980 from a large black seed. Looked like a mini black coconut. Does anybody know if these type of seeds are available from any of the breeders?

 

[window]

Sensi seeds still offer pure hindu kush but cannot comment on seed size. Im not going to give up on seedsman as everything i have grown from them has been great,except the afghani freebies.

 

[I_Love_Seed]

Yeah, the sensi hindu kush and the afghani #1 from seedsman are both solely descended from afghan and hindu kush genes from Sam. Now, what does confuse me is why you are only interested in the ones from Sam. There are quite a few presoviet Afghans and Kushes in circulation that are superior in quality but have never had anything to do with Sam. A cursory view finds presoviet "purple kush", pure kush 88 (pk88), citrali indicas and sativas (not from the kush but still very nice), various PURE Mazar's (also not from the hindu kush but some are very nice), Petrolia Headstash (presoviet afghan, may or may not be from the hindu kush, mixed reviews), Ogbub is planning on releasing Deep Chunk in the very near future (another presoviet afghan which has very good reviews, although it isnt know if it is from the hindu kush or not). If you are looking for the best quality presoviet kush, I would go with the BCO purple kush. If you are looking for a landrace kush closer to a cali kush I would go with the pk88, which is shares so much similarity with Bubba Kush, it almost certainly seems related.

Lots of old rare elite Canadian clones being released in seed form, & the afghan & kush genetics used are nothing like Dutch or UK strains. Canadian breeders are on top of their game.

 

[Mikenite69]

I have 10 reg seeds from seedsman that I am dying to pop which are kandy kush x skunk 1 cross supposed to be SAMs cross or maybe from SAMs skunk 1 but if I remember seedsman listed it as SAMs cross excited to say the least to grow these out for sure!!!

 

[Infinitesimal]

Hey Madjag,
You are right, and the plant you have a photo of from Seedsman is not my Afghan #1.
The ones you used in the 70's were Sacred Seeds via RCC, and if you remember they were very large and almost perfectly round. What did the seed from Seedsman look like?
Some of the most beautiful seeds I have ever produced...
Afghani #1 was not my kind of pot, it was super couch-lock, very strong, but not what I like at all. Some people I knew loved it.
-SamS

Hiya Sam,

I am beginning to question EU seed sources after this. You have definitely confirmed it. I purchased my Seedsman Afghani#1 through a reseller in Spain, Hipersemillas. They came in the distinctive Seedsman packaging.

Only one germed from a 10-pack indicating they were old to begin with. The seeds were small and generally un-mottled. The smoke is definitely not couch-lock....much more Sativa-like and cerebral.

I've questioned whether I made the mistake during planting in small, Rootmaker pots. I labelled all my pots as I planted and had no other seeds anyway that after growing out even closely resembled this plant. If I had accidentally mis-labelled or mixed seeds the final product, of which I had 6 different strains, would be the clincher.

Only this plant smoked as it does. The high is not similar to any of the others I grew. The verdict does not point well for resellers, whether an accident or not. Oh well. Know your source.

I am not a couch-lock fan either. It has its uses of course, especially for sedation. I admire the way you described RCC and yourself liking up, clear, no ceiling highs in an earlier post. It's the way to go on a daily basis if you have to operate heavy machinery anyway like a car, hahaha.

I was the only passenger in a helicopter with a young guy pilot a few years ago. He dabbled in the qualities we enjoy. Hitting 160 knots and banking over a glacier in an A-Star isn't couch-lock country either and I am glad he could do it all so cleanly.

No country for old men....

Hope to meet you one day. If you ever visit the US let me know and I'll do my best to hook up. I have some 70's herb labels for your collection. You're always welcome at my casa as well.

Peace,
MJ

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Oh yes,

Sam the seeds you sent via RCC in the 70's were very large. Each Sacred Seed envelope with the label had two giant gelatin caps with 25 seeds in each one. It could have been 50 in each capsule but I think they would not have fit.

I remember them as some of the most perfectly round seeds, and large.
-SamS

I love this stuff... hehe, I wasnt alive in the 70's... but you guys are my kind of peoples!

 

[jarmon]

Sensi seeds still offer pure hindu kush but cannot comment on seed size. Im not going to give up on seedsman as everything i have grown from them has been great,except the afghani freebies.

They were free after all! I've still got 3 to grow so when I have time it will be interesting to see how they go. The offspring from the Pakistani Chitral Kush cross seem nice so far reasonably vigorous and fat leafed.

 

[window]

They were free after all! I've still got 3 to grow so when I have time it will be interesting to see how they go. The offspring from the Pakistani Chitral Kush cross seem nice so far reasonably vigorous and fat leafed.

Sounds good, I keep a PCK too, she's my favourite indica, purple pheno.

 

[codger]

Whats the story on the old ghani's and hashplants that were farmed in the very earliest days of American Indica involvement maybe in the southern hills Applachian (sp) hills and mountains wasn't there a huge company involved in this a rumour I have heard ,very interested in these early Indica genes and the story from people who actually worked on these ty..codger

 

[andy95]

Hi All.
What you think about this pheno?
What native region for this strain.
Its best trichome yelder, what i seen.

 

[Mel Frank]

Hi Sam I just wanted to say from the reading I have done here in IC that I should thank you for your work you did 30 years ago. My attempts at growing were mediocre until I scored beans from SSSC and The Seed Bank. They were advertised in Sinsemilla Tips mag and I threw some cash in an envelope, mailed it to Holland and crossed my fingers. That turned out to be a very profitable chance I took and I am forever grateful for your entrepreneurship. I called a few times checking on availability, but don't remember who I talked to back then. Once again muchas gracias Sam, you are gentleman and a scholar.