How to get max yield from trees?

[icdog]

Again thanks for all the advice guys. I've picked up some blumats and so far from testing they look awesome. I'm trying to find extra feeder tube but can't figure out the exact ID diameter of the tubing, it seems 6 mm but does anyone know for certain?

 

[Groseph]

Not sure if you ever got the answers you were looking for.

The tiny tubing that the cones run off of is 3mm Blumat tubing - you must use this specific tubing or they will not work properly. Green Acres Hydroponics out of CA has it in 98' rolls. Having the extra makes running these a breeze.

The larger distribution tubing in the deck and patio kit is 8mm however I'd suggest just running the blumats using 1/2" to 3/4" regular soft black tubing as your distribution tubing. You then get the 3/32" tees from Kent Systems to barb into that tubing to allow you to attach 2ft or so of 3mm tubing to each carrot.

The system is easily manageable and expandable if you go this route. Pain in the neck trying to layout a garden if your just working with the 8mm tubing and fittings that come in the patio kit.

 

[bobblehead]

Not sure if you ever got the answers you were looking for.

The tiny tubing that the cones run off of is 3mm Blumat tubing - you must use this specific tubing or they will not work properly. Green Acres Hydroponics out of CA has it in 98' rolls. Having the extra makes running these a breeze.

The larger distribution tubing in the deck and patio kit is 8mm however I'd suggest just running the blumats using 1/2" to 3/4" regular soft black tubing as your distribution tubing. You then get the 3/32" tees from Kent Systems to barb into that tubing to allow you to attach 2ft or so of 3mm tubing to each carrot.

The system is easily manageable and expandable if you go this route. Pain in the neck trying to layout a garden if your just working with the 8mm tubing and fittings that come in the patio kit.

word... I bought 100 blumats, 2 30m rolls of 3mm tubing, and 110 3/32" straight barb connectors. I plan on making a 1/2" manifold out of irrigation tubing just like I normally would. I can't wait!

 

[icdog]

Thanks, I've found some answers. I found some 6mm id black tubing but have decided to use 1/4 id tubing which is working and putting split plastic tubing around it to cover it. This way I can see if there are any bubbles in the line.
So far things are working well.

 

[icdog]

I started this thread awhile ago. Anybody have any new advice?

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

yeah : build yourself a PPK and grow trees by accident

 

[Purple turtle]

icdog,...if you have time to digest some VALUABLE INFO ,head on over to 420forums and check out bassman59s thread about increasing yield ..in the hydoponic forums..As well bonzo bounces back here at icmag.(2 excellent reads)

Packed with great info, too much to go into now but definately worth the read and i guarentee will answer all your questions and maybe even get your creative spark going .

PT

 

[icdog]

That bassman thread was very useful. The idea that the plants are given enough nutrients by us instead of having to suck whatever is in the ground so the fan leaves are not as needed made sense.
Has anybody tried this with trees?

 

[DHF]

That bassman thread is based on Keeftr33z`s thread here , and let me be the first to say that strippin leaves before end of stretch is not a good thing , and.......

Is no different than topping that causes the plant to go into survival mode , back up and regenerate nodes/budsites/lateral and sucker branches WITH a recovery period....bet on it....now....

What I learned first hand about strippin leaves is that it`s strictly strain dependent and will affect different strains/hybrids/varieties differently , and when I followed the bullshit rules back in the day of takin off everything @ day 21 and then again at day 45........

It shut my Chem D`s down and took 2 extra weeks to get close to the returns I`d been used to getting in 10 weeks instead of 12 , so take heed bout leaf strippin techniques cuz they can help at the right time once stretch is completely done , or they can bite yas in the ass at the wrong time......anyways.....that thread shows what works with smaller grows that aren`t within time constraints and rotations , so just another tool to control stretch during veg and into flower while stackin nodes.......

Where you been IC......and PPK`s rock for big plants......go set yas up some and get ta work.....

Good luck.....DHF..............

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

What I learned first hand about strippin leaves is that it`s strictly strain dependent and will affect different strains/hybrids/varieties differently , and when I followed the bullshit rules back in the day of takin off everything @ day 21 and then again at day 45........

It shut my Chem D`s down and took 2 extra weeks to get close to the returns I`d been used to getting in 10 weeks instead of 12 , so take heed bout leaf strippin techniques cuz they can help at the right time once stretch is completely done , or they can bite yas in the ass at the wrong time......anyways.....that thread shows what works with smaller grows that aren`t within time constraints and rotations , so just another tool to control stretch during veg and into flower while stackin nodes

ill second that. it fucked up a crop of mine badly from doing it wrong

 

[icdog]

Thanks DHF great to hear from you. I've been around learning. I'll post my setup sometime here someday. Basically a krusty setup.
So just to be clear, besides how defoliation effects the strain which you would have to test, are you saying when stretch is done around day 21 its ok to try it out and see if the strain likes it but not at day 45 possibly unless the strain is ok with it?

I'm not sure of the ppk yet. I'm running normal promix in big pots with blumat maxis which is ok. I'd like to try the extra drippers or an extra blumat per pot and see if that makes a difference but what I'm still deciding on is ebb flo buckets or change to coco. I've been reading that the coco is almost as good as hydro and I have basically all the gear. To switch to ebb flow I need all new gear.

 

[DaveTheNewbie]

i used to run 1 blumat per pot and had a hell of a time
i started using 2 blumats per pot and had better results
im now using 4 blumats per pot and things seem to be running smoothly.

early days yet, but it seems to help

 

[pip313]

No one asked you what you think max yeild is. Do you mean for the space and time or for the power consumed? The 5 bulb 4 plant setup is perfect for both. All bulbs on for max use of space and 3 bulbs on at a time for 6 hours for max gpw. Center bulb on 12 hours and the other two should be diagonal not next to each other.

 

[Purple turtle]

That bassman thread was very useful. The idea that the plants are given enough nutrients by us instead of having to suck whatever is in the ground so the fan leaves are not as needed made sense.
Has anybody tried this with trees?

...read the entire thread... i was mainly referring to page 20 if you want to go ahead .". you tube video lecture.."

pt

 

[DHF]

Thanks DHF great to hear from you. I've been around learning. I'll post my setup sometime here someday. Basically a krusty setup.
So just to be clear, besides how defoliation effects the strain which you would have to test, are you saying when stretch is done around day 21 its ok to try it out and see if the strain likes it but not at day 45 possibly unless the strain is ok with it?

I'm not sure of the ppk yet. I'm running normal promix in big pots with blumat maxis which is ok. I'd like to try the extra drippers or an extra blumat per pot and see if that makes a difference but what I'm still deciding on is ebb flo buckets or change to coco. I've been reading that the coco is almost as good as hydro and I have basically all the gear. To switch to ebb flow I need all new gear.

Stretch is scientifically proven to be 40% of the bloom cycle and is totally strain dependent as to actually when said stretch phase completely ceases , and bloomage actually gets fully underway with no more roots or foliage built....and...

That`s why there`s no way possible to determine each plant`s cycle without runnin em and knowing first hand when all vertical and sideways stretch completely stops , and swellage begins......that said....

For example , a 10 week strain will have a full 4 week stretch/28 days and that`s still fully subjective at best , cuz every hybrid I ever ran could always go couple weeks longer fer headies and ....

Develop more CBD /couchlock tendencies along with THC degradation that us old heads prefer for insomnia and arthritis , but true finish times for ANY plant is best determined by the grower after repeated and dialed monocropped runs IME.....especially on the faster finishing indica hybrids............

Chem D`s and Diesel`s are safe ta strip leaves off gradually after a month of 12/12 ICD.....and as Dave stated above , Sativa dominant plants will shut down on yas if stripped out too much and too soon.....bet on it.......and oh.....

Purp Turt.....I didn`t get to page 20 on bassman`s thread , but guaranteed ANY leaf strippin causes a recovery period in the plant`s growth cycle and will therefore take that much longer for said plant to finish if growers are on rotations.....but....

If a hobbyist doesn`t care how long it takes to create a "bonsai" type plant before flippin it to 12/12 , then defoliation will indeed force the plants to back up and stack nodes/budsites.......but again....

Adds "weeks" of recovery time for the desired results , just like topping and re-topping ...so.......bottom line....all about canopy development and proper lumen penetration/plant absorption......now IC...

Go read up bout pruning sucker branches on mater plants , and that`s a good start on how ta increase lateral limb production growin big pot plants......

Never topped a plant in my life big or small cuz it stunts said plant and causes recovery time as well , but rather cleaned out the innards and sucker branches till end of stretch and then tied and opened all the dominant limbs up to chickenwire on the ceiling ftw.....so..

Many ways ta skin a mule...Just takes more time with certain tactics and procedures.......and....

Nothing new under the sun.......well....except the PPK.....with a big thumbs up from Fred-ville BTW.......but...

70% RH till end of stretch with lights on/off temps always within a 10 degree variable , plus 50 watts per sq ft and 3 lights hittin each plant at all times with 5 light X and 4 plant diamond takes yas bout as far as maxin out a big plant setup as yas can go Bro......

Good luck Dawg.....Holler if I can help.....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Purple turtle]

Totally agree,i always wait for stretch to finish and if i do apply the method i use it in veg then wait a bit about 6 days...

It's the video that was posted on page 20 that i was talking about..you can also go to you tube...its called "Dan Broughan lecture-growing canabis"..

Talks about light schedules and techniques.....

Pt

 

[icdog]

I checked out page 20 but couldn't find it, thanks for posting that turtle.
I am looking into the ppk. For some reason I can't see any pics in d9's thread and most of the threads on ppk seem to be about how it is amazing and no one knows why. I'd like to find a thread that simple explains how to build one and I'll try it out.

 

[watts]

what does ppk stand for?

edit: oh passive plant killer i see.

 

[DHF]

I checked out page 20 but couldn't find it, thanks for posting that turtle.
I am looking into the ppk. For some reason I can't see any pics in d9's thread and most of the threads on ppk seem to be about how it is amazing and no one knows why. I'd like to find a thread that simple explains how to build one and I'll try it out.

Big plant PPK thread here in vert section is the newest thread with build pics IC......

Good luck...DHF..........

 

[icdog]

I've checked out many of these ppk threads. I don't get how it is different from a normal wick setup but it seems to be for some reason. D9 has a thread that looks like what I'd like to do with buckets setup down a room with a remote res but how it works is alien to me at the moment.
Has anybody made a thread yet with a simple diy like the ebb flo bucket explanation threads?

I've got a tip for anybody doing trees. Keep the plants away from the light so they don't get light burn.