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Weird

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You've come far pilgrim (weird) but if the people making seed do not understand what they are/or are not able to promise, then therein lies the problem as far as I can see. You know, like when you say that your X is as good as his Y without understanding the dynamics of it all.

Thats why i said simply that the breeder should set the expectation. You set some serious expectations with serious science but. This is why the Tom Hill brand has power because of the standards you set and the things you do to meet them. Science being your biggest tool at this point of the game, uncontested.

You have to remember that seed buyers are supposed to know less or have less resources, it is one of the reasons they are not self sufficient. Most people don't start off as experts let alone with an aptitude to understand genetics.

Pretend your selling to dumb fucks like me who don't get the genetics talk. The biggest problem everyone has that has criticized me is that they have been educated by you but forget that they didn't start out that way

I am not questioning Tom Hills tech I am questioning your ability to think like you don't know it and cant understand it because that is a good percentage of the customer base buying seed and more so in the future.

If people don't understand what your saying they will go to other breeders REGARDLESS because they can't understand your quality.

That is why I asked you to value it cause it would be easier to say using scientific technique I guarantee x,y & z instead of teaching the science of plant genetics, especially if you print it on a seed pack. It is real hard to replicate a discourse on applied plant breeding concepts used by Tom Hill to every customer you sell seeds to. I don't think putting the information out there will make more informed customers either.

More informed breeders yes, but this thread isn't in the breeders lab and isn't labeled breeding techniques so I do not understand the angst from you and those who respect you since I am on topic.

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You set some serious expectations with serious science but. This is why the Tom Hill brand has power because of the standards you set and the things you do to meet them. Science being your biggest tool at this point of the game, uncontested.

I am trying to breed real breeders, you are attempting to breed ignorance.
 

Infinitesimal

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now show me what everyone is getting for their money and your science that I didn't get on my own without either.

Y'all want some of my mean value? I'll post pics of each phenotype posted online so far... The China Syndrome...






there's more... I gotta dig through my albums... then through some other members albums who have grown some o' me stuff
 
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Weird

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you set out to make this world a better place in your way, me, I'll do it mine, cool?

I wasn't trying to change the world I was trying to address the topic, nothing more, nothing less.

Had I known you were here to change the world through breeding technique you should have made that declaration in this thread or maybe a thread titled proper breeding technique by Tom Hill

At least then if i came in and went off topic everyone getting on my case would have valid reason to be annoyed.

I guess from now on if Tom Hill is in a thread ill ASSUME its an open discourse on breeding tech and ignore the thread title. This way I wont be in the wrong anymore.


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Tom Hill

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you can go ahead and assume that any time I am breathing my agenda is to change the fucking world ;) .... what is your purpose?
 

DevilWeedSeeds

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The difference between a car and a seed is when someone pays a half million for a car they know what they are getting. I know if I want the half million dollar Ferrari F430 Spider F1 I am not getting a K-car. When a customer buys cannabis seeds they may be paying top dollars for the k-car all the while getting told they are getting the Ferrari. Paying top dollar right now for beans doesn't mean that you are sure of getting the Ferrari of cannabis seeds. The lesser prices beans may be the Ferrari with less hype.
 

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all hail the 5% ima burn one down...
 

Weird

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you can go ahead and assume that any time I am breathing my agenda is to change the fucking world ;) .... what is your purpose?

In this thread I offered opinion to determine what makes a good breeder, and since it is a site that sells seeds I thought a consumers perspective should be represented.

Other than that I shared what the plant does for me and has done of me, and that I think everyone should have a breeding relating ship with the plant, personalized medicine so to speak.

I see this as a good thing for seed vendors because in order to breed your own personalized medicines (basically making and searching first gen crosses) it would be best done with pedigree seed stock

I guess it might sound like im trying to push you out of business but it is really just about the synergy between us and the plant not about the lack of value breeders provide.
 

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I guess it might sound like im trying to push you out of business
A little bit yes, because many of you don't understand what it is that I've done, and how outside of your goals it lies, no matter I've been as honest I can about it. Nor do you have any clue how easy it is and how fast picking up a book can thrust you to the surface. All of that is sad to me, and yes, I do want to change those misconceptions..
 
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The difference between a car and a seed is when someone pays a half million for a car they know what they are getting. I know if I want the half million dollar Ferrari F430 Spider F1 I am not getting a K-car. When a customer buys cannabis seeds they may be paying top dollars for the k-car all the while getting told they are getting the Ferrari. Paying top dollar right now for beans doesn't mean that you are sure of getting the Ferrari of cannabis seeds. The lesser prices beans may be the Ferrari with less hype.

Do tell...where can one find these cheap Ferrari seeds.
 

Tom Hill

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....from the guy that doesn't understand that he's selling a Ferrari is a good place to start :D lmao, jk, but it's true.
 

Weird

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A little bit yes, because many of you don't understand what it is that I've done, and how outside of your goals it lies, no matter I've been as honest I can about it. Nor do you have any clue how easy it is and how fast picking up a book can thrust you to the surface. All of that is sad to me, and yes, I do want to change those misconceptions..


Ok but if this was never the intention nor was that the message i was conferring. Since I have never questioned your value here or any other place, and NEVER EVER talked shit in any breeder threads and because of all the late night conversations we shared in chat I would have thought that you would have given me the benefit of the doubt.

It is like i got a lifetimes worth of harassment dumped on me for being open reactive and honest about what this plant did for me and that really fucking sucks

I said 1000 times i'm not attacking your value, yet you insisted I was.

That my friend is coming from YOU not me. Every few posts I repeat how good you are not because im being sarcastic but because i am simply being real. that it

I know about enough about genetics, environmental cues and breeding because I come from reptile breeding background. I just don't apply heavy science to growing or breeding cause im a hobby self-sufficiency breeder and I enjoy the zen aspect. So I was sharing anecdotal evidence in support of breeding period, because my part of changing the world is getting people to embrace the plant.

I let go if it there, I am not trying to go further than that, that is why i got into setting expectations because I was simply trying to give the breeders here insight on selling seed more effectively not devaluing anyone especially you.

Trying to help people just like you are trying to help them, you in your way, mine in my own

thats why i was saying it is not oppositional, so please if you dont understand me give the the benefit of the doubt that im not attacking you but simply trying to convey something that i think matters and benefits everyone.
 

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for example, don't buy GSC for fucks sake like GitT said it segregates like hell, instead, pick up some OG,Chem,NL, BB, on and on at a dime a dozen. Then you will have made a wise choice as a fledgling grower or advanced breeder.
 
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