i said it at the beginning of the thread but relativity bridges the gap
Take Tom's example
he breeds a genotype that will express 40 different phenotype variations he needs to grow at least 40 plants for ever male and 40 plants for every female if he wants the best representation
he does 1000 over the course of one outdoor grow season guarantees he will see a big pool of plants
this doesn't mean that the guy grown indoors doesn't have the same relative odds
by those statistics someone growing indoors would only have to run 200 seeds at a time and achieve the same selection pool because he has 5 potential indoor seasons to 1 outdoor season per year
Now if what if the indoor grower grew 100 seeds a run is he shit of luck?
out of 100 plants per run he will still have the same statitical success that he guy growing 1000 seeds does but it would take twice as long
but the time, the frequency when these numbers actualize themselves is not constant
if you are breeding for a plant that is 10% better than the one you have,and you have a basis for comparison, the small plant grower has an equal chance of finding those best of plant at at given time
these ratios don't imply the speed at which they express themselves but the average at which they will show, statistically over time
but it gets even more complicated
indoor environment effects the expression and to complicate it more not all strains have the same amount of phenotypes (in fact some people are up in arms because they feel some breeders are reducing phenotype diversity)
Nevil at Mr Nice aims for his customers to get a keeper in every pack which means hes AIMING for 10 phenotypes per genotype
so if you have even half the phenotype variations then you need have the selection pool to retain the same odds
the argument here becomes is it ETHICAL to breed towards a narrow genotype rather than a robust one because you are in essence breeding out diversity
this concept is flawed
people are breeding the plant for specific objectives
yes there is a tremendous amount of virtue in preserving genotype and those people that do it, especially for that purpose but it is not a practical or personally purposeful for many either
someone who is trying to provide relief to a cancer patient in his family might want one pack of beans to guarantee comfort for his loved one and diversity, land race preservation and all those other virtues have no meaning whatsoever
it the scope of it all tho its the more breeding regardless of how its done is a good thing
look at private herpiculture, it has saved reptile and amphibian species from extinction
do they breed morphs of reptiles that nave no natural value (albinos) YES they produce animals that would not survive the wild
is this bad?
NO, because for everyone breeding them for novelty there is a percentage of guys who grow to preserve the natural specimens and if it wasn't for the growing interest there would be less preservation ...PERIOD
it is all relative
this market is still mostly illegal let alone reached anything close to saturation
I wholeheartedly agree with Tom that preservation of genotype diversity through proper breeding techniques is something that very few people are capable of doing let alone doing like him and its efforts by people like him and others like him that give us any hope of our kids inheriting the same world they lived in .. as far as genotype diversity and yeah in that sense it is really that important
much respect should be given were much respect is due
but remember this
people by lotto tickets at a far greater rate at much worse odds and there are winners every day
here we can figure out the odds and they dont look as bad as the lottery and unlike spending money on a lottery ticket and having no money if you lose, what you invest and what you get back in a breeding project isnt pure win or lose there is alot of learning and smoking in between and more people understanding the benefit this sacred plant brings to all our lives
Take Tom's example
he breeds a genotype that will express 40 different phenotype variations he needs to grow at least 40 plants for ever male and 40 plants for every female if he wants the best representation
he does 1000 over the course of one outdoor grow season guarantees he will see a big pool of plants
this doesn't mean that the guy grown indoors doesn't have the same relative odds
by those statistics someone growing indoors would only have to run 200 seeds at a time and achieve the same selection pool because he has 5 potential indoor seasons to 1 outdoor season per year
Now if what if the indoor grower grew 100 seeds a run is he shit of luck?
out of 100 plants per run he will still have the same statitical success that he guy growing 1000 seeds does but it would take twice as long
but the time, the frequency when these numbers actualize themselves is not constant
if you are breeding for a plant that is 10% better than the one you have,and you have a basis for comparison, the small plant grower has an equal chance of finding those best of plant at at given time
these ratios don't imply the speed at which they express themselves but the average at which they will show, statistically over time
but it gets even more complicated
indoor environment effects the expression and to complicate it more not all strains have the same amount of phenotypes (in fact some people are up in arms because they feel some breeders are reducing phenotype diversity)
Nevil at Mr Nice aims for his customers to get a keeper in every pack which means hes AIMING for 10 phenotypes per genotype
so if you have even half the phenotype variations then you need have the selection pool to retain the same odds
the argument here becomes is it ETHICAL to breed towards a narrow genotype rather than a robust one because you are in essence breeding out diversity
this concept is flawed
people are breeding the plant for specific objectives
yes there is a tremendous amount of virtue in preserving genotype and those people that do it, especially for that purpose but it is not a practical or personally purposeful for many either
someone who is trying to provide relief to a cancer patient in his family might want one pack of beans to guarantee comfort for his loved one and diversity, land race preservation and all those other virtues have no meaning whatsoever
it the scope of it all tho its the more breeding regardless of how its done is a good thing
look at private herpiculture, it has saved reptile and amphibian species from extinction
do they breed morphs of reptiles that nave no natural value (albinos) YES they produce animals that would not survive the wild
is this bad?
NO, because for everyone breeding them for novelty there is a percentage of guys who grow to preserve the natural specimens and if it wasn't for the growing interest there would be less preservation ...PERIOD
it is all relative
this market is still mostly illegal let alone reached anything close to saturation
I wholeheartedly agree with Tom that preservation of genotype diversity through proper breeding techniques is something that very few people are capable of doing let alone doing like him and its efforts by people like him and others like him that give us any hope of our kids inheriting the same world they lived in .. as far as genotype diversity and yeah in that sense it is really that important
much respect should be given were much respect is due
but remember this
people by lotto tickets at a far greater rate at much worse odds and there are winners every day
here we can figure out the odds and they dont look as bad as the lottery and unlike spending money on a lottery ticket and having no money if you lose, what you invest and what you get back in a breeding project isnt pure win or lose there is alot of learning and smoking in between and more people understanding the benefit this sacred plant brings to all our lives
