Thanks guys, I defoiliate in veg, and in flower both.I have been doing it for quite awhile now. I guess what I'm asking is what to do with all the extra growth that will make a lot of larf. I've cut some off and done some thinning. Should the plants be flat against my wall or should I let them grow towards the light? Also my deadhead og is leafy bitch - all of her clones,always. I take leaves off on the regular in veg, but what about the first couple weeks,of flower, I'm a firm believer in not raping them to death,but with some strains it almost seems nessesary in order to have a bunch of good bud sites,and I'm afraid if I don't I will not have an even sideways canopy. I know now I put to many plants in to flower as others have said. So now I have to deal with it as best I can