Under or Over watering?

[xmobotx]

yes; technically 30% is too low. here in the real world though we know that plants will grow w/o major issues @ 30%

the thing is; if someone in the thread advises turning it off then someone else advises turning it on and the OP is just getting frustrated @ turning the humid on and off every 15-20 minutes by hand instead of just letting his timer do it because 5 different people have 5 different opinions

i just say you might as well leave it off right now since 'too much moisture' is THE problem {why add insult to injury} RH has been good for the duration of the grow and probably isnt related to the problem

here are some things which may be of some help though;

have you stepped up in container size since previous grows?

not so comfortable w/ celsius but i do see temps getting kind of cool during lights out

for 'c' you shouldnt get below 20*c or above 30*c <though leaning towards 30* might be a pretty good idea

 

[isoprop]

yes; technically 30% is too low. here in the real world though we know that plants will grow w/o major issues @ 30%

the thing is; if someone in the thread advises turning it off then someone else advises turning it on and the OP is just getting frustrated @ turning the humid on and off every 15-20 minutes by hand instead of just letting his timer do it because 5 different people have 5 different opinions

i just say you might as well leave it off right now since 'too much moisture' is THE problem {why add insult to injury} RH has been good for the duration of the grow and probably isnt related to the problem

here are some things which may be of some help though;

have you stepped up in container size since previous grows?

not so comfortable w/ celsius but i do see temps getting kind of cool during lights out

for 'c' you shouldnt get below 20*c or above 30*c <though leaning towards 30* might be a pretty good idea

the humidifier is controlled by a timer: 45minutes On and 15 minutes OFF during daytime (when the HPS is on)..when the HPS is OFF the humidifier is OFF too.

Hi xmobotx and thanks to reply...Right now its off, i checked the room this morning and the RH dropped to 38% @ 26.4°C.
"have you stepped up in container size since previous grows?
" nope, for their first 10 days they were on a 6lt pot after that i repotted them on 18lt pots, its where they are right now.

 

[FOE20]

hey Iso...another friend was just having basically the exact same issues...
He said all it took was a real good flush/feed of a even Lower pH and a slight amount of base nutes.....his showed reaction within 32hrs and he's a rookie grower....
I'd say just keep on the path we made...you make the call
FOE20

 

[isoprop]

hey Iso...another friend was just having basically the exact same issues...
He said all it took was a real good flush/feed of a even Lower pH and a slight amount of base nutes.....his showed reaction within 32hrs and he's a rookie grower....
I'd say just keep on the path we made...you make the call
FOE20

Hello there FOE...thanks a lot for the info, could you please ask your friend what's the ratio of water/pot he/she used? Maybe i just used a ratio that is far too little to solve the problem... what's the PH of his solution? (water + nuts)..Anyway 3 of them seems to react well while the other 2 are still wilted..pics attached

 

[FOE20]

I still think your pH is to high m8 and its just staying buffered to the high end to much over all....Remove those lower dying leaves and feed that plant more at a even lower pH...
He watered till it was well watered...not heavy or a bunch of run off..but he used GH's pH down and some AN's pH Perfect line...which even using pH Perfect he's having to buffer Low...
I'd say Double the amount of pH down and boost Nutes by a 1/4 or more...
feed them a good amount and stop sweatin the lil stuff.....Follow what Im suggesting and lets get this done and you back to keepin up with fast growin plants....and not these issues....
Your just not sure but I can tell your not going to the extremes Im suggesting.....
Far as I can tell yo could slam these plants with some Acid and it will not hurt hem at all....they are hurting without it....Acid loving plants....and they won't be happy till then...keep at it
FOE20

 

[isoprop]

I still think your pH is to high m8 and its just staying buffered to the high end to much over all....Remove those lower dying leaves and feed that plant more at a even lower pH...
He watered till it was well watered...not heavy or a bunch of run off..but he used GH's pH down and some AN's pH Perfect line...which even using pH Perfect he's having to buffer Low...
I'd say Double the amount of pH down and boost Nutes by a 1/4 or more...
feed them a good amount and stop sweatin the lil stuff.....Follow what Im suggesting and lets get this done and you back to keepin up with fast growin plants....and not these issues....
Your just not sure but I can tell your not going to the extremes Im suggesting.....
Far as I can tell yo could slam these plants with some Acid and it will not hurt hem at all....they are hurting without it....Acid loving plants....and they won't be happy till then...keep at it
FOE20

Hi m8 this is how they look after a heavy flush (5lts/plant) with just distilled water and a slight amount of ferts (No Rhizo just BioVega+ Cannazyme) @ PH 5.0 i would say there is some sort of improvements on all ladies except 1 that is wilting a little bit again but she improved too till yesterday...do you confirm this please? Do you see improvements? Thanks a lot for your efforts trying to help me..french people would say: chapeau!

 

[isoprop]

PS: i forgot to get rid of lower yellowing leaves, i will do it ASAP..let's roll it

 

[RockstarsEarWax]

I still think your pH is to high m8 and its just staying buffered to the high end...
Far as I can tell yo could slam these plants with some Acid and it will not hurt hem at all....they are hurting without it....Acid loving plants....and they won't be happy till then...keep at it
FOE20

Agreed.
I think you could try hitting them with an even lower PH, something like 4.0. Once you get your PH into range they should respond relatively quick.

Thank you for the rep.

 

[isoprop]

Agreed.
I think you could try hitting them with an even lower PH, something like 4.0. Once you get your PH into range they should respond relatively quick.

Thank you for the rep.

Thanks m8 done it yesterday with a PH 4.0, let's see what will happen

 

[FOE20]

ya Rockstar....just seems like the only logical thing left..

and Iso I mentioned trying a very low pH early in the thread on 1 plant just to see reaction...I use the same methodology tho...I buffer very low on avr at 4.5 when my plants are unresponsive...But in your case we needed to get rid of build ups to which will help in other aspects...
But most of us know what will happen...were just waiting for you to have faith in it as well bradda....once it all turns around you'll know cause your ladies will be talkin properly to you....
But look at it this way...what was the 1st positive response you had from the plants?...it was a slight improvement after you dropped the pH range...so you should of kept along those lines of thought....but sounds like your thinking in the right direction now...
keep at it!
FOE20

 

[isoprop]

ya Rockstar....just seems like the only logical thing left..

and Iso I mentioned trying a very low pH early in the thread on 1 plant just to see reaction...I use the same methodology tho...I buffer very low on avr at 4.5 when my plants are unresponsive...But in your case we needed to get rid of build ups to which will help in other aspects...
But most of us know what will happen...were just waiting for you to have faith in it as well bradda....once it all turns around you'll know cause your ladies will be talkin properly to you....
But look at it this way...what was the 1st positive response you had from the plants?...it was a slight improvement after you dropped the pH range...so you should of kept along those lines of thought....but sounds like your thinking in the right direction now...
keep at it!
FOE20

Hello there mates, like said yesterday i gave them 2lts/pot of water + micros + macros at a medium range, let's say 50/50, @ ph 4.0 and today I can see some kind of real improvements of the plants..Am I wrong? pics attached

 

[offthehook]

Great improvements Isoprop.

They're almost back on the right track again.

Congrats Mr, and good on you for having had FOE20 & others around for helping you out this well.

 

[noyd666]

great to get day by day help like that, show us a photo when there done if ya can .:yay:

 

[isoprop]

Thanks guys! Yes they're almost back, i need to work a little bit on th PH, the next watering i will check what's the runoff PH to have an idea what's going on in the root zone. Anyway i would like to give a big big THANK YOU to any1 who helped me giving advices and a special thank to FOE20 for his patience...thanks again you all guys and I hope that this thread could become useful for people who will have my same problems..This a huge experience and technical knowledge sharing. Yes noyd666 i will update this post till the end...stay tuned and have a nice day!

 

[FOE20]

keep on rockin it Iso....you can prob start to raise the PPMs but always keep adding the pH down for now as i really dont think it will hurt them at all...
dont sweat the flush run off read just yet tho...Talk to your plants bro...listen to them..your almost there but pickin up a meter may throw your feel off...
I just think until they look really really happy just keep following the basic guide line we've established...when they are spot on Take readings and Stick to them and you'll then know what they prefer completely...
and my pleasure m8....the more folks know what their doing the more great herb will be a plenty!...keep rollin
FOE20

 

[isoprop]

keep on rockin it Iso....you can prob start to raise the PPMs but always keep adding the pH down for now as i really dont think it will hurt them at all...
dont sweat the flush run off read just yet tho...Talk to your plants bro...listen to them..your almost there but pickin up a meter may throw your feel off...
I just think until they look really really happy just keep following the basic guide line we've established...when they are spot on Take readings and Stick to them and you'll then know what they prefer completely...
and my pleasure m8....the more folks know what their doing the more great herb will be a plenty!...keep rollin
FOE20

Thanks mate i am following the guidelines we established and things seems to going on the right way..as soon as possible i will post some pics of the ladies

 

[isoprop]

Hello there mates I've got good news about the ladies, pics attached..They are on the 2nd week flowering and these days I followed the rules we established and things are getting very good...yesterday I raised the ph to 5.5 and raised the ferts level.. advices and suggestions are very much appreciated, thanks again!

 

[RockstarsEarWax]

I am very happy for you ISO, great job staying persistent and getting things turned around. Your ladies' flower sets are coming in nicely.

 

[offthehook]

Pretty nice recovery Iso, job well done thus far.

 

[isoprop]

Thanks you all guys for making this possible, i'll keep you updated..have a nice day