Doomsday Prepping for Economic Catastrophy

[BaldoSquemo]

Don't forget Hope too. Gotta have Hope right?

 

[BaldoSquemo]

Tossing in loony-ass statements like that as if they're cold hard fact does little to bolster your case. Just sayin'.

Do 'The Globalists' capitalize the G in their name when they get together for meetings in their secret underground lair?

No, they call themselves the Bilderbergs. in honor of the first hotel they stayed in for the very first council.

It's cool though, you can continue to think I'm talking about some boogey man... or you could read the books by Henry Kissinger where he discusses all about 500 million people, and how to get to that number.

 

[unspoken]

I don't spit out children like it's my duty.

I know many who simply have one or two and stop.

I probably have a circle of friends that isn't a good example of American society though.

You do have a reasonable example of american society. The growth rate is declining.

 

[BaldoSquemo]

one square mile of land is 27 878 400 square feet

Given your choice of 1,394,747,686.6 family units And the total area of texas being 268,820 square miles
268,820 x 27,878,400 = 7,494,271,488,000 square feet

Land / families = 5373.21 square feet per family.


My math is admittedly very rusty, but I think this checks out

 

[BaldoSquemo]

unspoken, you changin posts on me!!

 

[unspoken]

yeah I read your post wrong but yeah you are right on. 5373sqft for a family size of 5(I would guess a more accurate number would be 3.5), and you are going to produce all of your own food on that? Point is, yes people could fit in that space there is no way that many people could live in that space. Where is all of the water and land to produce food? Your example doesn't really make sense because it doesn't mean anything. It's kind of comforting to think about I guess, but it's still wrong. I could "fit" 10,000 plants in my tent, but they wouldn't grow and they would all die pretty fast.

 

[BaldoSquemo]

Well, thankfully we have a ton more room than that on the planet. But, yes, I think a family of 5 could live quite nicely on 5Ksqft... if they know what they're doing. I mean really know.

I don't have that kinda knowledge. But I believe it's possible. And If we were focusing on our own sufficiency I think we could become very creative with the ambundance the earth can provide for us.

Also, (anyone) please don't misinterperate my words as an endorsement of cramming everyone into 5Ksqft plots to "save the planet" We could do so much better.

 

[fungzyme]

Well, thankfully we have a ton more room than that on the planet. But, yes, I think a family of 5 could live quite nicely on 5Ksqft... if they know what they're doing. I mean really know.

I don't have that kinda knowledge. But I believe it's possible. And If we were focusing on our own sufficiency I think we could become very creative with the ambundance the earth can provide for us.

All things are possible when you have no idea what you're talking about, and don't even know what variables and limiting factors might need to be included. You know as much about this as you know what the Globalists talk about in their meetings...

 

[BushyOldGrower]

See the movie, Idiocracy.

The churches encourage reproduction to get more members and the Catholics are well over a billion strong. The capitalists all want growth but we have limited resources and who wants to live in mega cities? L.A. Is a monster mega city now and it scares me to have so many people in one place.

My wife and I have been together 43 years now and we had one son. We did our part and most developed countries do have less of a problem than the third world. People know something will happen and have even devised ways to rapidly reduce our numbers with super viruses and such. But that won't be pretty and population control could be easier if we relied on attrition and birth control.

Unfortunately most religions predict trouble when we have bad mind, bad religion and bad govt. I think this world is full of all three while trapped in delusion.

I believe in God but I don't think he pulls rabbits out of hats. I was once told that by a science teacher in a Catholic school. Good answer so I'll use it too.

We try to prep but I see all the things I need every week and life would be very difficult if any of our fragile systems were to break down.

The movie is set in the future about five hundred years and our genes seem to be degrading because the wrong people are multiplying. The slobs and retards are the only ones dumb enough to keep making babies in their idiotic world. Well I am no Nazi but you don't need to wait five hundred years because Idiocracy is already here.

 

[unspoken]

It's Blackman's law of limiting factors. We use it and love it in our grows. It holds true for humans too. Land area will not be the limiting factor. Fresh water and food will be. What we see in natural populations in economics is not a huge drop. Population climbs until it reaches its limit, then it goes from a J shaped curve to a sigmoid curve that fluctuates around the carrying capacity of the ecosystem. So it wouldn't be a wipe out of the population it would be more subtle corrections of people starving to death and dying of thirst. Now would that start a war in which we would all destroy each other? Maybe, but more likely just poor people would die as they don't have the resources to fight back and there are a lot of them.

 

[BaldoSquemo]

All things are possible when you have no idea what you're talking about, and don't even know what variables and limiting factors might need to be included. You know as much about this as you know what the Globalists talk about in their meetings...

You can continue to attack my words, but you're not proving me wrong.


Your points are hollow, because they stand for nothing. Are you here to contribute to the conversation? Or are you here to berate anyone who holds a different view than you?

Go ahead and read Kissingers American Foreign Policy: Three essays from 1969

Please do, enlighten me to the truth. I am open minded enough to listen. I'll even go read something you suggest I do, without recieving the same respect.

 

[unspoken]

Well, thankfully we have a ton more room than that on the planet. But, yes, I think a family of 5 could live quite nicely on 5Ksqft... if they know what they're doing. I mean really know.

I don't have that kinda knowledge. But I believe it's possible. And If we were focusing on our own sufficiency I think we could become very creative with the ambundance the earth can provide for us.

Also, (anyone) please don't misinterperate my words as an endorsement of cramming everyone into 5Ksqft plots to "save the planet" We could do so much better.

Your point is kind of like if I said, "hey man I'm (literally) dying of thirst over here." And then you replied, "Don't worry man, I have 10,000lbs of dry sand!"

 

[BushyOldGrower]

What Happens when they put to many rats in one cage? They eat each other until most are dead.

Fresh water is a limiting factor but all our pollution is over the top now and climate change will cause huge famines. Nobody is planning to avert these catastrophies. No large amounts of food stored, no plan to reduce the carnage when we rats start fighting.

My advice is to run to the wilderness when the shit hits the fan or before and believe that God will help you. BOG

 

[GP73LPC]

the culture war in america has now affected this site.

quite sad.

can't we all just get a

 

[BaldoSquemo]

Your point is kind of like if I said, "hey man I'm (literally) dying of thirst over here." And then you replied, "Don't worry man, I have 10,000lbs of dry sand!"

I'm not really sure how I said that, but okay.

Lets not derail my point here. All I'm saying is that space is not an issue. All I'm saying is that forced abortions and euthanising children, and forced sterility is not the correct answer.

I was using a few facts (5Ksqft a 5person family in texas) to illustrate that the world is plentiful. If we dont want to destroy ourselves we need to learn to use our local climates and lands to suit our needs better.

I think thats what most people are saying in this thread, we have a major misallocation of intentions. Once we open our eyes to the controllers, we can see that famine is a tool. and in fact with better management many more people could recieve a much higher quality of life.

Anyone coming in here insinuating that I'm stupid because I'm vocalizing my stance for humanity needs to take a look in the mirror. I support your right to live as I support everyones, regardless of whether or not the policy makers think you're valuable.

 

[unspoken]

What Happens when they put to many rats in one cage? They eat each other until most are dead.

Fresh water is a limiting factor but all our pollution is over the top now and climate change will cause huge famines. Nobody is planning to avert these catastrophies. No large amounts of food stored, no plan to reduce the carnage when we rats start fighting.

My advice is to run to the wilderness when the shit hits the fan or before and believe that God will help you. BOG

The ones who are in the best position to eat weaker ones will eat them until they have enough room, right? That's all I was saying. If the cage is enough space for 2 rats and you put 10 in it, are the last 2 going to eat each other? They have enough room and they are full. Why would they?

 

[unspoken]

I'm not really sure how I said that, but okay.

Lets not derail my point here. All I'm saying is that space is not an issue. All I'm saying is that forced abortions and euthanising children, and forced sterility is not the correct answer.

I was using a few facts (5Ksqft a 5person family in texas) to illustrate that the world is plentiful. If we dont want to destroy ourselves we need to learn to use our local climates and lands to suit our needs better.

I think thats what most people are saying in this thread, we have a major misallocation of intentions. Once we open our eyes to the controllers, we can see that famine is a tool. and in fact with better management many more people could recieve a much higher quality of life.

Anyone coming in here insinuating that I'm stupid because I'm vocalizing my stance for humanity needs to take a look in the mirror. I support your right to live as I support everyones, regardless of whether or not the policy makers think you're valuable.

Plentiful in what? Dry sand or water? Now do you get it?

 

[fungzyme]

All I'm saying is that space is not an issue.

Because you're conveniently reducing your argument to being solely about physical space, and in the real world (the world you and I and all the 7 billion people striving for better lives inhabit), it's not. It's about resources, their limits and their unequal distribution around the world.
It's about the impact of human activity on the very air we all have to breathe (Think Beijing, and how their toxic smog is now affecting parts of Japan), the water we all need, the food that even one year of widespread drought will put in short supply, etc etc etc.
Do you know how much 'space' is required to grow all the food you consume in a year, mine all the metals you use, pump and refine all the petroleum you require? Here's a short article if you want to look at it:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-billion-people-use-up-the-planets-resources/

It's not about how many people can fit evenly spaced in Texas. It's about the carrying capacity of the earth. And about human nature, since we're talking about the real world.

 

[BushyOldGrower]

I'm not calling for extreme birth control measures but at least acknowledging the problem first would help.

Culture war is out of hand and we all seem to have our concerns. Everyones opinions are welcome and I know I get a little shit back for what I say sometimes too.

Overpopulation is the main reason for all our problems. If the planet had the number of people we had in 1900 that would be better and that wasn't really that long ago and the population was one billion. That's a lot but 6.7 billion now and maybe growth has slowed a little but without a famine, disease or war it is scheduled to double again soon.

We can't call famine a better tool than education and birth control being offered first. I just want major organizations to stop encouraging the be fruitful and multiply instruction. When that instruction was given the cage wasn't full.

 

[Galactic]

Re: Doomsday Prepping for Economic Catastrophy

Let's toss in vegetarian too!

Meat is selfish means to an end.

Unsustainable.