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Living organic soil from start through recycling

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2 Legal Co

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LOL I mean whatever kind of stuff that is that grows off the bottom of the river. Guess I was thinking I would use iit in my compost tea instead of kelp meal or the liquid seaweed I am using. I'm such a cheapskate.
Ya, fish, that's what the ol' lady says. I am just working on composting chicken poop for now :)

Chicken Shit was the fertilizer of choice when I was young and we raised our own food. It worked especially well in 'no till' areas like berry bushes, fruit trees, grape vines, etc.

CS is great without composting in these areas used as a 'top dressing', because the chickens digest their food so well (no weeds). The only thing to be aware of is the 'scratch grains', and seed from bedding materials, that do not pass through the chicken.

Used as a 'top dressing' CS does not get 'hot' until it is in the ground. So you can water it in which incorporates it slowly and doesn't burn your roots. Always use it well away from the plant stems, that way it encourages larger rootballs, and If you get it too hot it won't damage the plant.

CS is most helpful when used in a compost pile in the winter, because it 'heats' the pile and promotes the break down, much further into the winter.

Be aware it can turn ordinary plants into GIANTS...

We used chicken, goat and rabbit manure in the orchard and garden areas. The horse and cow went on the pasture areas because of possible volunteer weeds. It was easier to control them in the pasture than in the garden.
 

ClackamasCootz

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$3.25 a bag - certified organic by USDA

Kick-ass worm food and top-dressing around Comfrey plants.

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I have finally completed this thread after reading off and on for the past 2 weeks. I have been following the revs methods for over a year when I finally decided I wasn't buying anymore bone meal after I ran out of the last box. I am well aware of the jokers and clowns in the usda and fda andso I am always highly skeptical of anything "natural and organic". I came on here searching for a better organic method and had no idea that I was in for such a treat! I want to thank all of you organic die hards hear for starting up such an amazing thread and keeping It living and breathing everyday. You guys are awesome especially cootz for sticking it to the grow shop people haha.

I can't wait to start up my new batch of soil following this recipe! I have a couple questions about some products that I know you guys can definately shine a light on for me.
1st- I have a product I picked up e few years ago and I was wondering if it wou;d be a good addition to my soil it is called "huma-iron"
its analysis is 3-0-0
iron-10%
sulfur-5%
Ingredients: humic shale ore, naturally derived iron hematite.

2nd question-I have found a neem cake product sold under the name agro-neem its $65 for 40lbs and says omri on the bag. Is this a good source?

Btw I have already started the aloe protekt treatment and have noticed an amazing difference. Also gave em one enzyme tea wich I'm sure they loved and I'm brrewing up a new one from fenugreek this time! Anyway can't wait to hear some responses and as a last note I grow tulsi rama which has been mentioned by cootz several times and it is one of my favorite smelling plants of all time! I reccomend it to anyone and everyone and it is seriously medicinal.
 

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$3.25 a bag - certified organic by USDA

Kick-ass worm food and top-dressing around Comfrey plants.

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Good find CC; and it's apparently already composted.

I'd use it for top dressing my no till pots, and planters, in Veg.

Comfrey might become ferocious with this stuff to eat. :laughing:

Does it say what it's diluted with, or if it is? Seems a bit weak from what I remember. Probably because of a mix or the composting, I suppose.

Of course being the hound-dog I am. I'd prefer to find a chicken coop with the raw stuff. Powder it when dry and top dress with it. Let the worms eat something that needs processing. :tiphat:
 

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Just an FYI;

If you are trying to avoid human waste and the chemicals we use. You probably should NOT use aquatic vegetation..... unless you are Very close to the headwaters of the stream.

Most municipal systems discharge into live streams these days. The only treatment is aerobic bacteria, then settling, prior to effluent discharge into live streams. FYI Sludge is then pumped and hauled as required. Spread on 'non food' crops, and pasture mostly.

On another note; Bottled water is taken from the Arkansas River here in Colorado, just above Nathrop.... Nastly is the outfit..... It supposedly is spring water..... but the spring is less than 100 yards from the river. And that point is below Leadville, Granite, and Bueno Vista?

I filter my own well water, for drinking purposes. I'm not an Organic Grower Yet. Working on the various aspects, toward that goal. Mostly just an old 'Dirt Farmer',,, well gardener. lol
 

Microbeman

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Chicken Shit was the fertilizer of choice when I was young and we raised our own food. It worked especially well in 'no till' areas like berry bushes, fruit trees, grape vines, etc.

CS is great without composting in these areas used as a 'top dressing', because the chickens digest their food so well (no weeds). The only thing to be aware of is the 'scratch grains', and seed from bedding materials, that do not pass through the chicken.

Used as a 'top dressing' CS does not get 'hot' until it is in the ground. So you can water it in which incorporates it slowly and doesn't burn your roots. Always use it well away from the plant stems, that way it encourages larger rootballs, and If you get it too hot it won't damage the plant.

CS is most helpful when used in a compost pile in the winter, because it 'heats' the pile and promotes the break down, much further into the winter.

Be aware it can turn ordinary plants into GIANTS...

We used chicken, goat and rabbit manure in the orchard and garden areas. The horse and cow went on the pasture areas because of possible volunteer weeds. It was easier to control them in the pasture than in the garden.

We topdressed our hayfields with chicken manure when available. Tremendous results. As mentioned topdress only and let it get processed by surface microbes. Don't mix it into your soil unless composted.

The reason the composted chicken manure shows a low reading is that the nutrients are sequestered in the composting process and not detected by typical testing. They are unlocked later by microbial or root interaction.
 

ClackamasCootz

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The chicken manure is produced by an agricultural fertilizer company in the valley. They offer 3 or 4 'fertilizers' that are registered organic under USDA NOP - legitimate vs OMRI

It's remarkable how little odor there is. Just to repeat - one kick-ass worm food. Mix this with the organic fish compost (Oly Mountain) and some homemade compost and you end up with some nice vermicompost for not so much money.

For larger quantities they offer totes and the price is below $60.00 which isn't bad for organic farmers.

It's cheap enough even at the retail price for home gardens

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I just realised you meant the neem cake and you are correct it is coming out of diamond bar calif. What do you know about it? Any opinions on using the iron supplement?
 

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When I first used neem meal (Down-To-Earth) and saw that it lived up to the claims I went on a search to find a better product. I don't have much use for these guys down in Eugene.

A friend in Southern California hits Little India a few times a month to shop or have dinner so I asked him if he would check around with the Indian community for neem oil or meal.

That's how I found these guys - a brother-in-law or cousin, whatever. They were working out of a home in Diamond Bar and were just getting their business off the ground. I bought a couple of bags and it was much, much better than the neem meal from DTE. The only problem was the S&H fees from there to here.

Good product & very honorable people from my dealings with them. Highly recommended. I found another source that makes more sense as far as cost and selection, i.e. they also carry karanja oil and meal. Both products are registered organic by national & international agencies.

You've got a solid product and the price is more than fair and as usual it always comes down to accessorial charges doesn't it? Some things are universal - LOL

CC
 

Ur Humbl Nr8tor

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Ur Humbl Nr8tor

Good to see you around again!

CC


Hey CC, I've been lurking. Just can't keep up with you guys and so I am way behind on reading to catch up. I don't like to comment too much because I'm afraid that I've missed information in the 300 pages I haven't yet read (lol).

Anyway, I've always striven for an organic approach to growing and this thread has really catapulted me into new areas of thinking. I truly appreciate your efforts and those of the other contributors who have made this thread (IMO) the best there is on ICMag.

I'm taking my current crop through a cycle with home made potting mix. I have top dressed with the remaining Happy Frog I had laying around and they have been hit with a few feedings of Pure Blend just to use up the bottle. Other than that...horsetail, comfrey, yarrow and clover teas...Aloe Vera and Pro-Tek.

I ditched the pH pen a number of grows ago. There was withdrawal for about a week or two but it hasn't seemed to have any deleterious effects.

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pre-98 Bubba. Organics make this just so coffee, earthy, hashy good. First time running this cut. Seems the home made soil and pH test via eyeball are working just fine.

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A citrus haze cut (either Tangerine or Grapefruit)...Just like stinky pinky...but with an orange flavor and a nice back drop of cat piss.
 

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@ 60 days BBxPPP Gascanastan's breed in living organic recycled soil
coke can chunker

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unknown strain @ 60 days-getting fairly close

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couple other unknowns, but are going to be awesome.

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Chernobyl early flower

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Gascanastan

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Looks like this recycled living soil thing works out just fine.....chunky monkey's~

Just keep building your soils,it keeps getting better.

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