I want to switch from coco to organic soil

[Guywithoutajeep]

Right now I get pretty damn good results using H&G nutes in straight coco, but I've had buds that are organic soil and it seems like they always have a little better taste and smell. I'm not sure how to do this, but would I make a soil mix for veg, pot a clone, then transplant into a flowering mix? Or is there a one mix fits all type of thing?

I like the idea of not having to pH and not having to figure out nutrient ratios. I use blumats and they're pretty nice for watering so if I could get a better feeding system going that would put my grow on cruise control.

 

[DevilWeed]

I've run both. I find no diff on the same strain and definitely yield bigger with coco. That said, I still like organic soil(ess) and it will likely have a place in my grow for the forseeable future. Using Blumats as well. The idea of plugging the whole dam room into the pressure reducer on a faucet and just walking away is very enticing!

I would go straight to this thread and read it until your eyes bleed, then keep reading. Everything you need is in here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53792

 

[grapeman]

Devil gives good advice. The Organics for Beginners thread is full of all the info you need.

Just remember if you use the dry mix as I do (along with LC#2 with Pro Mix HP as a base) try to use the best quality meals (blood, bone and kelp) that you can get. Especially the kelp meal.

If you have questions, post 'em up in that thread and get the advice of the most experienced organic soil guys in this forum.

 

[rasputin]

I like the idea of not having to pH and not having to figure out nutrient ratios. I use blumats and they're pretty nice for watering so if I could get a better feeding system going that would put my grow on cruise control.

Honestly, ya might wanna stay with coco and start feeding it nutrient teas, getting a best-of-both-worlds IMO. About three weeks ago I would've posted in here with a different tune, I've been a faithful devotee of the OFC thread, which helped lay the foundation for me. I've had great results w/LC's mix and hand feeding teas so if you go that route, you won't be disappointed.

But I got a few cups full of coco with some clones to try it out on and the growth rates aren't even close. The difference in root development is staggering, seeing the diff. cups head to head made me feel like I'd been missing out this whole time not using coco. Outside of watering them more often, they've been treated just like cups of LC's mix and there's been no problems so far. I haven't flowered them out yet so as to your comments on smell/taste I can't say if the coco has produced a diff. product than a peat-based mix like LC's. I'll keep it in mind.

 

[sunnydog]

Right now I get pretty damn good results using H&G nutes in straight coco, but I've had buds that are organic soil and it seems like they always have a little better taste and smell. I'm not sure how to do this, but would I make a soil mix for veg, pot a clone, then transplant into a flowering mix? Or is there a one mix fits all type of thing?

I like the idea of not having to pH and not having to figure out nutrient ratios. I use blumats and they're pretty nice for watering so if I could get a better feeding system going that would put my grow on cruise control.

see the soil mix on my guest page, works great!

SD

 

[hopleaf]

grab a bag of bio-bizz light mix or all-mix either one i s good from start to finish. i find things like budswel and maybe even some high nitrogen guano for amendments are great if you feel the need. personally i just use the light mix along with nice compost teas with wonderful results and i'm as organic as one can truely get indoor using city water(de-chorinated or course). start simple with pre-made then you can get a feel for what your own homemade mix should feel like. personally i'd say ditch the coco and go with the soil just for the simple reason that it's more forgiving and much more fun to play with.

 

[Lazyman]

I find that I can get that rich, sweet soil taste by using fulvic and humic acids in my reservoirs. For convenience I use GH Diamond nectar and a bit of Superthrive, but if anyone knows a convenient (or cheaper) substitute I'm all ears!

 

[CT Guy]

I find that I can get that rich, sweet soil taste by using fulvic and humic acids in my reservoirs. For convenience I use GH Diamond nectar and a bit of Superthrive, but if anyone knows a convenient (or cheaper) substitute I'm all ears!

I really like the LC-10+7 from Tera Vita for chelated minerals with the humic acid molecule. Already had a few people try it on here with good results. Haven't done a side-by-side with any GH products though either.

http://simplici-tea.com/images/LC-10Plus7Label.pdf

It's not a product that's marketed to the cannabis audience (hence no fancy label), but I do think it's a very good supplement.

 

[TurboDog]

I very much dislike coco. soil is a good idea. Sphagumn moss, the fluffy dried and shredded stuff is GREAT. if you can find that (I know Mirical grow makes a like 4.5 cubic foot bag) that is GREAT medium with worm castings, half n half.....good shit. Blue mountain organics makes wonderful fertilizers, made in small batches and no fancy packaging which can be found on ebay. I also would suggest using RO water since chlorine will kill some beneficial bacteria in the soil unless RO watter is out of the question. I would add a little microizial and beneficial fungi powder to the soil mix and add a little kelp extract into the water schedual along with the BMO fertalizer. helps build a immune system for the plant to resist viruses and fungi thats bad. you don't have to get fancy, I just think people overlook the beneficial fungi and endo ecoto bacteria to help aid in plant health long with the kelp fore health and growth hormones.

 

[Montana]

Why not mix coco with some compost? there is no law against making an organic mix with coco instead of peat.

just find a good simple recipe like lc's #1 and substitute peat with coco, simple, easy, and effective.

 

[TurboDog]

I have tried coco on 3 different occasions and brands and I must say that using the fluffy pulverized sphagun moss(miracle Grow), I had Great root structure and superior growth over the coco every time.

 

[Son_of_a_Batch]

after all you can always use coco in your soil!