Aliens, yay or nay?

[HempKat]

I can CONSIDER it all day long. What I can't do is BELIEVE IN IT without evidence! What's so hard to understand here?


One is not doing this. One is asking for evidence to substantiate claims before one believes in them. As most people do in their everyday lives.

If you say to me, "Look outside... there's a bird!"

I believe you. I don't need to look.


If you say to me, "Look outside... there's a dinosaur!"

I don't believe you. I'm going to ask several followup questions unless I happen to be right next to a window. If there's a window, I will look out but will not BELIEVE it's a dinosaur until I see the T-Rex (or whatever) in the parking lot.

I think and I've tried to say this before, its the way you use the word believe that is causing the disagreement. If you had evidence of something you wouldn't believe in it you would know of it. Belief is something people do in absense of evidence. Like how could you possibly have done a thread calculating that 3 million intelligent alien races, all capable of intergalatic space travel, exist in the universe if you didn't believe that aliens exist somewhere in the Universe? People don't calculate the existance of things they don't believe in.

 

[gaiusmarius]

well it certainly seems like the us airforce has some flying craft that could be mistaken for alien space craft, but does that explain all the sightings? i don't think so, but i don't discount that option lightly, it's a known fact that the pentagon has secret projects working on advances in technology that are way ahead of what is known in the main stream. not sure about all the pics HK posted, but some of them look plausible while some are known fakes. so now we are down to the sound, or lack of sound and the way they have been seen to defy the known laws of physics. possibly the known laws of physics have been expanded on or even broken by these scientists working on top secret technology. still if it was all such, you wouldn't have so many sightings, they would keep these things hidden away as much as possible one would think? so i wouldn't be surprised if it was a combination of both some objects coming from some where else and some of these things are man made after all. maybe what we encounter are like drones, or just computer controlled probes investigating our planet. we send out exploring unmanned craft too after all, so no reason to think others wouldn't do the same.

on the other thing Anti, did it make you wonder at all? or you still convinced that no alien craft has ever been here? what do you think about dr greer of the disclosure project? sincere? fooled? or fooling people?

 

[DrFever]

You know with the size of the universe it be stupid not to believe there cannot be other life on other planets there are millions of other suns not to mention that they may not need a sun to survive who knows with all meteors, asteroids hitting other planets it be stupid to think we are the only ones who knows maybe were prehistoric to them right ??? and we show no interest
just ask your self one thing do you believe in JESUS where is there proof of any ???? there is not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPAC_cGVnUg

 

[Seal-Clubber]

well it certainly seems like the us airforce has some flying craft that could be mistaken for alien space craft, but does that explain all the sightings? i don't think so, but i don't discount that option lightly, it's a known fact that the pentagon has secret projects working on advances in technology that are way ahead of what is known in the main stream. not sure about all the pics HK posted, but some of them look plausible while some are known fakes. so now we are down to the sound, or lack of sound and the way they have been seen to defy the known laws of physics. possibly the known laws of physics have been expanded on or even broken by these scientists working on top secret technology. still if it was all such, you wouldn't have so many sightings, they would keep these things hidden away as much as possible one would think? so i wouldn't be surprised if it was a combination of both some objects coming from some where else and some of these things are man made after all. maybe what we encounter are like drones, or just computer controlled probes investigating our planet. we send out exploring unmanned craft too after all, so no reason to think others wouldn't do the same.

on the other thing Anti, did it make you wonder at all? or you still convinced that no alien craft has ever been here? what do you think about dr greer of the disclosure project? sincere? fooled? or fooling people?

hahahaha...

ya buddy, the US gov has flying saucers. .. one thing i can account for is the fact that humanity can be VERY stupid, they can be convinced Venus is an alien spaceship. with the exeception of the hover disks (which never could fly higher than 5meters) . from the 1940-80s, ALL of the flying sausage disks HK posted were fakes. was that not obvious to some people? Visitors would not 'give' a space travelling vessle to a bunch of stupid fucking monkies.

 

[HempKat]

hahahaha... what a joke..

ya buddy, the US gov has flying saucers. for a guy who cant take a joke, you sound funny. FYI, with the exeception of the hover disks from the 40-60s, ALL of the flying sausage disk HK posted were fakes. was that not obvious to you?

Actually you're incorrect. At least one of them is actually a Navy drone in developement today. Although it only looks like a flying saucer when viewed from certain angles

Navy X-47B

 

[Seal-Clubber]

Actually you're incorrect. At least one of them is actually a Navy drone in developement today. Although it only looks like a flying saucer when viewed from certain angles

Navy X-47B

i know the x47. it looks nothing like a disk. ;-) i also noticed it in your pictures. cool little jet, i woulda loved one as a kid. fly a top secret wedge over a large American city. have it be built so stupid, any kid with a HAM radio and GPS signal spoofer can bring one down. The inside of the wedge is important or else it`s just a sliced turnip someone threw into the air. a handheld pocket laser, radio, and gps spoofer will bring one down easy. They are stupid.

http://www.theuav.com/uav_photos.html <~~ check it

 

[HempKat]

i know the x47. it looks nothing like a disk. ;-) i also noticed it in your pictures. cool little jet, i woulda loved one as a kid. fly a top secret wedge over a large American city. have it be built so stupid, any kid with a HAM radio and GPS signal spoofer can bring one down. The inside of the wedge is important or else it`s just a sliced turnip someone threw into the air. a handheld pocket laser, radio, and gps spoofer will bring one down easy. They are stupid.

http://www.theuav.com/uav_photos.html <~~ check it

Yeah all them damn kids running around with ham radios and GPS signal spoofers, interfering with the military trying to get their drone thing on, they should all be put in time out and have the FCC suspend their HAM operator license for a month.

 

[Seal-Clubber]

Yeah all them damn kids running around with ham radios and GPS signal spoofers, interfering with the military trying to get their drone thing on, they should all be put in time out and have the FCC suspend their HAM operator license for a month.

OR we should re-secure the right of the second amendment and force the fools in government to stop burning our constitution of the United States. College kids do all kinds of cool things with no intent to drop a Gov jet. Are you going to blame the child who got hit in the shootout or the idiots who brought the invasion danger? Some intellectuals would go so far as to state, IF YOU CANT BUILD SOMETHING A CHILD CAN BRING DOWN, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT MAKING IT A BALLISTIC MISSILE ABOVE AMERICAN SOIL. Clearly an invasion of our safety and self defense, make it right, or bring it down.

 

[legalizeDK]

Now how would I know? Nor do all sitings include unbelievable flight manuevers. All I was really trying to accomplish was to lighten the mood a bit and to some degree show how there have been things the military and others have come up with that could be mistaken for flying saucers. One of the last ones was actually a drone the Navy developed. Being that a drone is unmanned it could concievably do some things a manned vehicle might not be able to do because of the effect it would have on humans. Also to be fair the ones appearing to be from Hitler's Germany were artistic renditions.

I got that thats why i "LOL"

not all but some include unbelievable manuevers

 

[immaculate]

Nah, I'm not a fan of aliens.

 

[Anti]

so you have zero credible evidence backing up any of the possible explanations you have proposed.

I didn't propose any of those things. I named, off the top of my head, things that we DO KNOW happen from time to time. I even included the POSSIBILITY that it was aliens at the end of my list. Why aren't you asking me for evidence of the aliens, as well?

how then are they more credible than the next obvious answer, which is extraterrestrial technology.

Have you got any extraterrestrial technology in your possession? No. Have you heard of people lying before? Yes. Have you heard of mirages? Yes. Have you heard of hallucination? Yes.

That's how it's more credible.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you want to claim it was Aliens... this requires much more evidence than the claim that it's a lie. People are known to lie. People are NOT KNOWN to have alien contact. If it was KNOWN that Alien contact were an established fact, this would NOT be a 40+ page thread.

after all, who else on earth is capable of such technological feats?

Don't know. What's the square root of

322,279,338,378,384,384,666,493,485,792,372,394,495.23983981283763476?

If you can't answer this, I say the answer is "blueberries!"

what kind of technology do we have that flies pretty fast on a straight line completely silent and in the shape of a sphere?

A yo-yo?

we're talking technology here, and technology is only developed by a special kind of intelligence; here on earth, only us humans can achieve things like airplanes or computer chips.

YOu are making a claim that you saw something in the sky. Now you are claiming it was technology. YOU ARE THE ONE who must provide evidence. Saying "I don't know what it could've been except aliens" is NOT evidence. It's formally known as "The Argument from Ignorance."

so again, since through your possible explanations you cannot offer any evidence whatsoever apart from shallow semantic games, you have no credibility in trying to debunk something I saw with my own eyes, and that I have seen through videos that confirm that others have seen the same.

I have no responsibility to debunk your claim. As the claimant, you have the responsibility to provide evidence for your claim. If your claims are extraordinary (they are) then those claims will require extraordinary evidence. "I can't think of what it could be other than alien technology" isn't evidence AT ALL. It's an argument from ignorance.

THINK. PLEASE!

 

[Anti]

I think and I've tried to say this before, its the way you use the word believe that is causing the disagreement. If you had evidence of something you wouldn't believe in it you would know of it. Belief is something people do in absense of evidence. Like how could you possibly have done a thread calculating that 3 million intelligent alien races, all capable of intergalatic space travel, exist in the universe if you didn't believe that aliens exist somewhere in the Universe? People don't calculate the existance of things they don't believe in.

Knowledge is a SUBSET of belief. Knowledge is justified, true belief.

If you ask me whether I believe that it is LIKELY that aliens exist somwhere in the universe, I will say that I do.

If you ask me whether I BELIEVE that aliens exist somewhere in the universe, I would say that I find it likely.

If you ask me whether i believe that aliens have DEFINITELY visited this planet, I will say that I do not.

If you ask me whether I believe that any of the believers here have presented any convincing evidence at all, I would say that I do not.

 

[Anti]

on the other thing Anti, did it make you wonder at all? or you still convinced that no alien craft has ever been here? what do you think about dr greer of the disclosure project? sincere? fooled? or fooling people?

I WONDER all the time. I never said I was convinced that no alien craft had ever been here.

What I said was that I was UNCONVINCED that alien craft have ever been here.

There's a difference.

What's the difference?

Let's look at my courtroom analogy again:

Did OJ kill his ex-wife?

Your choices were GUILTY or NOT GUILTY. You didn't have the option of finding him INNOCENT.


GUILTY - Aliens are definitely visiting earth
NOT GUILTY - We have seen no evidence that Aliens are visiting Earth
INNOCENT - Aliens are NOT visiting earth.

People keep responding to me as if I vote "innocent". But I don't. I vote "NOT GUILTY".

 

[Seal-Clubber]

Knowledge is a SUBSET of belief. Knowledge is justified, true belief.

ridiculous... justified true belief, the world is flat.

 

[Anti]

just ask your self one thing do you believe in JESUS where is there proof of any ???? there is not

I don't believe in Jesus.

 

[Anti]

ridiculous... justified true belief, the world is flat.

Please go play in your room and let the adults talk for awhile.

 

[longearedfriend]

Alien jesus

 

[noyd666]

picasso?

 

[unthing]

i think it's a great pic

 

[bombadil.360]

I didn't propose any of those things. I named, off the top of my head, things that we DO KNOW happen from time to time. I even included the POSSIBILITY that it was aliens at the end of my list. Why aren't you asking me for evidence of the aliens, as well?



Have you got any extraterrestrial technology in your possession? No. Have you heard of people lying before? Yes. Have you heard of mirages? Yes. Have you heard of hallucination? Yes.

That's how it's more credible.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you want to claim it was Aliens... this requires much more evidence than the claim that it's a lie. People are known to lie. People are NOT KNOWN to have alien contact. If it was KNOWN that Alien contact were an established fact, this would NOT be a 40+ page thread.




Don't know. What's the square root of

322,279,338,378,384,384,666,493,485,792,372,394,495.23983981283763476?

If you can't answer this, I say the answer is "blueberries!"




A yo-yo?



YOu are making a claim that you saw something in the sky. Now you are claiming it was technology. YOU ARE THE ONE who must provide evidence. Saying "I don't know what it could've been except aliens" is NOT evidence. It's formally known as "The Argument from Ignorance."




I have no responsibility to debunk your claim. As the claimant, you have the responsibility to provide evidence for your claim. If your claims are extraordinary (they are) then those claims will require extraordinary evidence. "I can't think of what it could be other than alien technology" isn't evidence AT ALL. It's an argument from ignorance.

THINK. PLEASE!

you are not responsible in terms of debunking my claim, sure.

but you are responsible in terms of providing credible evidence in regards the other possible explanations you have proposed to my sighting, however. and that's exactly the same standard you have set up for other people's claims about alien and alien tech claims. so it's only fair.

plus, I'm not arguing from ignorance, on the contrary, I know that what I saw is nothing we humans have made technologically wise.

so again, if neither you nor I nor anyone else can provide a human source for such technology, it is some kind of condor sub-species that looks like a silver sphere lol... since you even want evidence that it was a technological apparatus... or a banana tree fart. whatever pleases you.

and again, I also not bound to prove my claim to anyone, as I'm not in the business of converting you into a believer or non-believer or anything...

I shared my experience, and you are free to take it however you want, like several other members already have told you.

chao pescao